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Progress has theoretically been made in
the Russia Ukraine conflict. Special
envoy Steve Wickoff's back channel
communications though from the
negotiation have been leaked. Candace
Owens has gone into hiding because she
believes the French government is trying
to assassinate her. Marjgerie Taylor
Green resigns from Congress as troops
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>> All right, the first thing we have up is
Ukraine apparently signing the peace
deal. Um, so breaking, Ukraine has
agreed to the full terms of President
Trump's peace plan. I believe that's the
20point plan that we've gone over in the
past. Um, to end the war with Russia per
ABC News. Um, what makes this different
from all the other times that we've
talked about? Like they're getting
closer. How close are we?
>> Honestly, right now I assume we are no
closer. Getting the specifics down on
paper with
Ukraine is very different than getting
Ukraine and Russia to agree. So now
look, I on this one, I really don't want
to be cynical because I really want this
to go well. War is a horror the likes of
which I hope no human ever has to
interact with. Uh so if we're able to
actually get this across finish line,
that would be an unmititigated good. But
one of my favorite
maxims is don't trust what somebody
says. Don't even trust what somebody
does, but always always trust a pattern.
And the pattern with Putin is he tells
you what you want to hear. He glad hands
and he moves things forward and then
does whatever the hell he wants. Um it
was so brazen when he had the falling
out with um the guy that marched on
Moscow. I'm forgetting his name.
Somebody in chat will remind me. Uh and
it was like, "Well, that guy's dead."
And then like a month later, his
airplane mysteriously blows up midair.
It's like so wild. Like he's just
that predictable. Like he's straight out
of a black comedy. It's wild. So yeah, I
I if I were a one-man poly market, I
would say that the odds are extremely
low that they're able to actually come
to an agreement. Uh the the sentiment
that I get online is that Russia is in a
very good position right now in terms of
who's uh winning the back and forth. I
won't call it winning the war, but like
that they're losing fewer troops.
They're able to push obviously much
deeper into Ukraine. I know the Ukraine
is launching like kamicazi drone strikes
on Russia and so they probably don't
love that but yeah from what I hear they
definitely would feel like they have the
upper hand in a big way. Uh and so the
odds that they take a deal just don't
seem high. The relationship with China
seems to be going well. Um as far as I
can tell the sanctions just haven't hurt
them enough. So, uh, unless Putin is
really feeling pressure from oligarchs
or something like that that I'm just not
deep enough in to know about, I don't
see what would bring him to the table.
So, we'll see. But, he's been pretty
quiet. From everything I've seen so far,
it seems like people have been
criticizing the 20point plan and saying
that Ukraine would would never sign
this. They would never agree to it. Um
so I'm surprised that Ukraine is the
first one signing like actually saying
yes to
>> well they reduced it so the number of um
points has been reduced. I think it's a
18 or 19 point plan now uh and they are
supposedly pulling all the things that
people thought oo they'd never agree to
this. Now if people thought that they
would never agree to seeding territory
that doesn't make sense to me. If enough
of your people are getting killed and
enough of the people in the territories
that are in question already identify as
being ethnically Russian, like at some
point you just go you got to cut the
hand off to save the body. If you've got
gang green, it's like it's going to
either kill the whole body or you lop it
off. Now
reports indicate that there is territory
that Russia is saying you're going to
have to give up this area. will give up
something else in exchange for that.
That may be a hard and fast red line for
the Ukraine because it's basically their
thermopoli. Uh if you know the story of
300 from uh Sparta, they had to force
the army that they the invading army to
go through a choke point. And by going
through that choke point, they were able
to and still lose, but they were able to
hold them off for a long time and just
absolutely slaughter disproportionately.
Um,
it seems to be that the territory that
Russia is trying to acquire is something
like that. That if they can control the
choke point, then there's only open land
between Russia and Ukraine in a way that
they would not be able to uh patrol
effectively and stop. So
again, not being a scholar on this
stuff, but from what I've read so far,
it seems like what the Ukraine would
need to do is make sure that they hold
that, that they build up a big military
presence. That that's going to be part
of their um go forward strategy. And the
negotiation is no, no, we're going to
have to have a much larger standing
army. You're going to have to remove any
of the caps on that. We're going to need
to hold that territory, and we're going
to need to beef up our military
presence. And so if Russia wants to
indicate to the world that, hey, we're
negotiating in good faith, but these
[ __ ] just won't be reasonable. They
might draw a circle around that and say,
"Wow, guys, listen. Like, we've got good
traction here. There's no reason why we
wouldn't want to take that." Ukraine is
going to say, "Hold on. What are you
talking about? We have the good traction
here. We're dug in. We can defend this
point. There's no way that we're going
to give this up." Uh, and so you'll get
a PR battle that happens over that. But
again, I don't think Russia is sincere.
I think Russia is going to keep pushing
until something absolutely forces them
to stop. And so if you were going to run
the betting market on this, you would be
looking for the indication that there
something very bad has happened to
Russia. So oligarchs are ganging up on
Putin in a way that he feels weakened by
that. uh that there is tremendous loss
of life on the Russian side, that there
is a um economic struggle that does not
seem to currently exist right now. Like
you would need that kind of pressure
where Putin is going to say I need a PR
exit ramp and so then I could see him
coming to the table, but without that I
don't see why he would stop you if you
step inside of his frame of reference.
from the chat. Um, essentially thinking
about someone in America who is just
trying to pay their bills, why should
they care about the Russia Ukraine
situation?
>> I mean, if you said, Tom, uh, this is a
Lincoln Douglas debate. You need to be
able to take either side of the issue.
And now, here's the, uh, case. I think I
called them cases. It's been a long time
since I didn't done Lincoln Douglas
debate. Uh, and I have to defend a side
that I don't believe in, but I'm going
to give you the best argument. I would
say something like, "Okay, listen. Uh,
you've got all of Europe. Europe is in a
very weakened state. You have Russia.
Russia right now is being territorially
acquisitive. You've got Putin who has
long believed that the fall of the USSR
is a tragedy that needs to be rectified.
and by invading Ukraine has basically
broken like 80 years of we no longer do
the whole expand your borders thing. And
so we've had this border integrity where
people respond very swiftly
internationally to say hey like this is
an incursion across sovereign borders.
We absolutely do not tolerate that
anymore. And there's massive uh push
back the world over. If the if the
invasion of Ukraine is allowed to stand
from an international community
perspective, we've basically said, "Nah,
like all right, a little bit of
territory acquisition is fine and you
run the risk of all hell breaking loose
into Europe again where Russia now
starts going into other territories."
And so what becomes the brakes on Russia
or do they just start doing that? And
now we're back in, you know, World War
II era where there's all these battles
over who owns what territory first
obviously by the Germans, then the US
and Russia sort of divvying up parts of
Eastern Europe. So it like do we want to
get back into that world? So let's say
if I'm arguing this position, I'm going
to pound the table. I'm going to say
absolutely not. I'm going to say you
cannot trust Putin. that you've got to
understand that this is somebody that
will continue marching deeper and deeper
into the former Soviet states, gobbling
them all up. Is there really going to be
anything that's going to stop him from
pushing deeper into Europe? Um, also
you've got a Russia China alliance.
Anything that we can do to weaken
Russia, China, uh, Iran, North Korea,
um, obviously you got the BRICS nations,
but I won't try to lump them all
together. But you from that like Russia
and China running all these military
operations, putting out public
statements that there's never been a
deeper tie between Russia and China. And
if you know Russia and China's history,
it's pretty terrifying to think that
from a military perspective, they're
more united now than they've ever been.
Uh given that they fought the um war
between what ends up becoming North and
South Korea together, that there were a
ton of Chinese troops uh fighting on the
side of North Korea. Uh, and so you've
got the that allegiance is like, do we
really want to see that getting
stronger? Um,
the answer would be in this argument,
absolutely not. Now, if I'm taking what
I actually believe,
America is going bankrupt.
That will be devastating in a way to the
average American in a way that people
are not, in my opinion, accurately
mapping. It's one of those where I
really have to decide if I'm going to
keep talking about this, I have to find
an emotional way to deal with this. Uh
because it's forcing me to map the
territory down to like really minute
detail. And the the deeper I go, like
the more I zoom in onto the picture, the
more I
sort of map every pixel of this image,
the more I realize, oh, the um belief
that I have in terms of how the economy
works, it doesn't change. It just gets
more terrifying. I feel that we are
standing on the precipice over the next
decade. This is not like a next five
months problem, but over the next
decade, we will live through the process
of what it means to go broke. And when
you look at history, it is not pleasant.
Now, it doesn't always play out exactly
the same way. So, it doesn't necessarily
have to become a full-blown civil war or
anything like that. Um, but keep in mind
right now how panicky, maybe the right
word, people are about the Affordable
Care Act subsidies getting removed.
bro, it all goes away. Like when your
country goes broke, it you have to have
a balanced budget. So that's $2 trillion
a year. Instantly get vaporized. Then
it's like, okay, well now that that's
happened and we cannot borrow money
internationally anymore. All we can do
is print money. What ends up happening
to the economy? What ends up happening
to the dollar on an international stage?
is just going to keep getting weaker and
weaker and weaker and weaker and weaker.
So you run and then of course getting
people to understand that printing money
hurts the poor middle class the most. Uh
so all of that
feeds into my belief that you have two
options before you. You become the
world's gun store and you leverage
conflicts to make money for the average
American so that we're able to create
military industrial complex jobs for a
whole lot of people to make a whole lot
of weapons. I get the moral
implications, but I'm saying it is a an
economically viable option for us to
decide, hey, we don't we're not going to
get involved in these conflicts, but
we're going to arm people to the teeth,
and we're going to re-industrialize
around weapons and artillery and all of
that. Cool. Now, they can fight as long
as they want because you're making
money. What we can keep doing is sending
money over either in the form of weapons
that we're supposedly not going to use
anymore, but if they're usable,
obviously we could still use them. Uh
doing that or just outright sending cash
because that's a dollar that you're not
spending here in America. Now, I am the
most worried about the cultural
implications of
America believing that you can just
print money, add infin item, that
socialism is a good idea. Um, that's the
thing that terrifies me. Um, so anything
that gets people to focus on fiscal
responsibility, I'm here for. So, if
extracting ourselves from conflicts that
are not near to uh our shores is the way
that we get there, great. Um,
but I don't think this is the simplest
thing in the world in terms of just be
isolationist, we are still
one of two
incredibly important international
powers. And so if we completely extract
ourselves out of that, you become
isolated. You're not making friends. You
don't have the allies that you may need
at some point in the future. And so, as
I say, make friends before you need
them. So, this becomes um getting the
voting public to choose usually forces
you to give them binary options like
America first has rapidly become America
only because you just need something
that's really concrete, really easy to
see and understand. Um but it's probably
far better that we run a more nuanced
plan of uh helping where we can
getting fiscally responsible such that
we have money to do things
internationally with when we need to.
But that is going to be a brutally
difficult cell.
But getting into the nuance. And by the
way, if if these strands are not
connecting for people, you need to um
tell me where people are getting lost so
I can really draw the connective tissue
because I I'm getting into uh the
nuanced web that makes all of this stuff
difficult to parse through. I know this
is where people tend to get lost, but
it is a very hard cell to tell
Americans, hey, I know that we're going
bankrupt. I know that we have to spend
less money domestically,
but we also can't go to zero spend on
the international stage because these
are allies that we want and need. These
are ways that we get some of the power
that we have as Americans. Um because we
have so much influence the world over.
And if you give up that influence, which
is already waning, but if you give up
that influence entirely, then you're
going to economically down the road be
in a much worse position. But that's
hard to convince people of when they
look around and they're like, "hm, I
can't make ends meet already. This does
not feel good in any way, shape, or
form." The youth feel totally
disenfranchised
and they believe they're disenfranchised
because capitalism bad, not realizing
they're disenfranchised because we gave
up on capitalism a very long time ago.
Uh and that the way to solve their
problems is to move in the opposite
direction. But good luck convincing them
in the middle of all of that, in the
middle of people like me pounding our
chest saying we need to balance the
budget. and also saying, "But by the
way, you probably do want to use money
to make sure that you have killer allies
the world over."
>> We've got people eavesdropping on calls
with Russian officials while they're
trying to end the war in Ukraine. And I
didn't think there was a ton in the
actual transcript, unless I'm missing
something, but
>> it's not that there's a ton. It's that
um the it is utterly fascinating to get
a glimpse inside of people's awareness
of Trump's psychological
vulnerabilities. We all have them. When
I was teaching film, I would often show
students bad film making so that you
could see the process. So good editing
tends to be invisible and you don't
understand how the trick is being made.
You know how you feel, but you don't
know how to structure that. So as a like
growing editor, you're trying to figure
out, wait, what do I do? And so I would
bring things in where I'd say, okay, you
can see what they're attempting to do,
but they're doing it clumsily. And so
now you can see like, oh, fast cuts
create this effect and um things like
that. So anyway, Trump is the
psychological version of that. His tells
are so big and so obvious that they give
people a way to see how the
psychological game is played. So what I
found interesting about Steve Wickoff,
Steve Wickoff has a job, get this thing
done. And Steve Witoff believes in this
exchange that he has information that
would be useful to the Russians to get
the job done because he understands one
of the pieces on the chessboard is
Trump's personality. He knows another
piece on the chessboard is Putin's
personality. And so everybody involved
is going to have mapped just as I would
expect you to have mapped my weirdnesses
so that you know how to navigate me
because I'm important to your
professional life. And so anybody smart
is going to be like, "Okay, Tom's really
weird about these three things." And so
as people come into the company and you
get to know them, it's like you look
over your shoulder and you're like,
"Listen, if you want to get around Tom,
just like acknowledge these things,
right?" And so my message to people is
always the only thing that makes it
worse is when you feel like you can't
talk about it. So like I don't mind
people saying this is what you're like.
We all know that and so we all do this
thing and be like yeah that is what I'm
like. So you get to see Witoff saying
hey guys listen if we want to get this
done just start the call. tell Putin to
start the call by saying, "Listen,
Trump, I'm very impressed with the peace
deal that you brokered in Gaza and I
think you're a man of peace and I
respect you greatly." And he said,
"After that, the call is going to go
great." And I was like, "Yeah, this is
not the kind of thing that you want to
leak to the public because these kind of
magic tricks only work when people
aren't aware that they're being played."
Um,
but for all of us that now get a glimpse
into that to see how all of this stuff
goes, it's pretty fascinating. Now,
again, I don't think this is necessarily
going anywhere because I don't think
Putin is ready to sign. Um, but I
certainly could be wrong about that, so
we'll see. But that that was why I found
this particularly interesting. You've
got potentially the NSA leaking secrets
of our own government, highlighting the
fact that our own government is fighting
against itself. This is tied to the
James O'Keefe thing. Um, watch the
series Death by Lightning about the
assassination of the of President
Garfield. Uh, it really shows how
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you think they would be cooperating with
each other, they're fighting against
each other going against the other side
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Now, back to the show. Here we are with
Candace Owens. This is what's happening.
She said, "Urgent. 2 days ago, I was
contacted by a high-ranking employee of
the French government. After determining
this person's position and proximity to
the French couple, I have deemed the
information they gave me to be cred
credible enough to share publicly in the
event that something happens." In short,
this person claims that the Mcron is it
Mcronone Macron Mcronone
>> Mcronone um have executed upon and paid
for my assassination. Yes, you read that
correctly. More specifically, the green
light was given to a small team in
national gender intervention group. I am
told there is one Israeli that is on
this assassination squad and the plans
were formalized.
>> Again, this person provided concrete
proof that they were well placed within
the French government apparatus. Further
to this point, this person claims that
Charlie Kirk's assassination trained
with the French Legion 13th Brigade with
multi-state involvement.
>> This is where my neck started getting
longer and longer. When the French
Legion got pulled in, I was like
>> [laughter]
>> Journalist Xavier Bousard's life is also
at risk. This is deadly serious. The
head of state of France apparently wants
us both dead and has authorized
professional units to carry this out.
And then she asks people to retweet. Um
and I do not know who in the the
American government can be trusted since
this source claims our leaders are
aware, but I have more specific
information which is def definitively
verifiable should they care to reach out
to me. to the brave official in France
who did this because they were so moved
by the evil of Charlie's public
execution to risk their own life. May
God bless you truly. And then I love her
last line, let all be revealed. It's so
um
>> I mean this is a serious situation, but
it has cinematic gravitas for right 43.5
million views on this tweet. Dude, this
this is like Elon Musk visibility.
Very I mean as a content creator we got
to give this woman a round of applause.
Uh
>> takes an assassination attempt.
>> I mean okay what we we need to go
through this piece by piece um to give
the devil is due. I I have not been in
any way shape or form unclear. My take
on Candace is I do not think she is
lying and I think she's wildly off base.
So, um, this is somebody who
I am in no way, shape, or form trying to
diagnose Candace because I don't think
the following statement is literally
true. But my old college roommate, his
brother was schizophrenic
and his brother
um he would go off his meds and he
they'd like find him two states away
living under a bridge and he was like,
"The Italian government is trying to get
me." And I was always like, "Why the
Italian government?" But the Italian
government was trying to get him. These
are this this is all real. And um
you know he's like having to move from
one place to another cuz they could
track his thoughts and like all this
time. It's just really wild [ __ ] And
they would finally get to him and they
would talk him down and they'd be like
remember you're schizophrenic. You need
to get on your medicine. And so they'd
get him back on his medication. And this
is the terrifying part.
When he would get on his medication, he
would realize, "Oh yeah, they're not
after me.
But I kind of wish they were because my
life was way more interesting and it's
called secondary depression.
So once you realize you're not the main
character in some like huge drama,
um it kind of sucks. And so my friend
unfortunately was telling me the story
from the he's gone off his meds again
and I'm not going to go chase him down.
It's the life he wants he wants to be
important. He wants there to be this big
conspiracy that he's at the center of
and that makes it more exciting for him.
And I was like
yo he's literally trapped in the Matrix.
You pull him out. He's straight cipher
and is like, "Yeah, I'd rather be in the
Matrix." And so I'm gonna
unplug and just like reinsert me. I
don't want to be aware
again. I'm not saying that Candace is
schizophrenic, but I am saying that
this drama is
great TV, but [snorts]
pull up the one I [clears throat] said,
uh, this struck a nerve with me.
>> Yep.
>> So, there's a guy that gives a
breakdown, and I was like, this is how I
feel when I look at this. And we we'll
get in a minute to Officer Tatum, who
seems reasonably credible, and he thinks
Candace might be right. So remember
there's very much a second side to this
story. Uh but
here we've got Kenakoa the Great and he
said, "Why not release the evidence to
the public and show the world? Haven't
you been saying the Trump administration
was involved in Charlie's murder? So why
depend on them now to release the
evidence?" So, Israel, Charlie's chief
of staff, his executive producer, his
pastor, the Trump administration, an
Egyptian plane, and the French Foreign
Legion all work together to kill Charlie
Kirk. And that's where I'm just like,
yikes. Like, this is getting
wild in terms of like all of the things
that connect and all that.
I stand humbly before
life in that I've been wrong before.
I'll be wrong again. It is entirely
possible that this all unfolds. It's
like, holy [ __ ] they really were trying
to kill Candace. This is insane. It is
certainly not outside the realm of
possibility that a government I mean, we
know governments kill people. So, it's
not outside the realm of possibility
that uh that they are, but who does it
seem really unlikely to me that all of
these dots actually connect together.
>> To me, it's like
it's too wild to think that she would go
this hard without being truly convinced.
And then Charlie did die. And so there
there's something. Now, maybe that was
just one random person, but like what
part of you, it seems like you're
leaning toward I don't think this is
actually real, but she probably believes
it. What part of you makes you makes you
think that it's not actually literally
real?
>> Aams razor. So, the simplest answer is
usually correct. um that there's a guy
that was on the roof with a gun uh that
could have shot Charlie, claims to have
shot Charlie, uh gave motive for why he
shot Charlie. So, there's option A. Uh
option B is that this is like the
world's most wildly connected,
everybody's in on it, uh conspiracy. And
it's just like, yeah, I mean, look, it
is possible, but [snorts]
uh is it the most likely answer? So,
again, I'll follow the evidence. And I
am super interested in this drama. I'd
be lying if I said I wasn't. Like, this
is this is becoming the new reality TV.
Like, for real. This is new reality TV.
And I'm watching it. I [ __ ] love the
Candace Owens show. Like, this is wild.
Uh, so I want to find out. I want to see
if she ends up getting sued into
absolute oblivion by the uh French
government. I want to see if they really
did want her dead. I want to know who
the hell killed Charlie Kirk. Was it
actually Tyler Robinson? I want to know
more information about the shooter and
Butler, Thomas Cook. What the hell
happened there? Why did they like so
quickly sweep this stuff away? So, a
thousand% and I'm very open, man.
whatever ends up being true, let all be
revealed. Let all be revealed. I want to
see it all. Um,
but it's like when I look at all the
things, all the threads she's pulling
on, I'm just like, it strains
credibility for me. Um, but all will
come out in the wash. Now, the thing
that I fear is that in the end, it's
like it's so convoluted that we never
really know the truth and like what
happened and it's we're just racing down
as a society. Like we're letting go of
AAM's razor and we are getting to the
more convoluted, the more crazy the
better. Um, and I don't that that is
going to be high utility, which is the
thing that I try to always map the world
by. I think that mapping the world that
there's like all these crazy criminal
geniuses that interact with each other
in like the super sophisticated ways is
far less believable than the world is
full of a whole spectrum of people from
lovely, incredible, wonderful humans to
just absolute uh predators. And those
predators have uneasy alliances and they
sort of hate each other and they're
building blackmail and they like do
actually have sex islands and people do
know that you can get scary dirt on
people, but that you like pull in the
French Legion and I don't know, it just
starts to get too much at some point.
Uh, we know that there are plenty of bad
people in the world. We know that
assassinations absolutely do happen. To
your point, we know Charlie Kirk was
just assassinated. Um,
but if you give me a simple explanation
that tracks and a really convoluted one
where I have to like, okay, we don't
really have evidence for that. We just
have vibes. But, uh, and we have another
video I want to show first to give the
other side its due. I want to show the
officer Tatum thing. But, um,
there's another video that we're going
to show where it's like, let me walk you
through the psychological principles
that Candace uses. They're absolutely
brilliant. He is like me, I think, on
the fence of like, I don't even know
that she knows she's using them. Uh, but
here they are. So, anyway, here's
Officer Tatum saying that, hey, there
really might be something here. At a
minimum, the US government needs to
investigate this. Supposedly, he has
seen the evidence himself. So, let's
hear it.
>> Then, brother, the American government,
I don't care how much you don't like
Candace. I don't care how much you've
been trashing American government and
and the FBI. They got to do something.
And I'm going to tell you what they will
do. It doesn't matter right, wrong, or
indifferent. They got they have to
investigate this. They have to
investigate this. And I think that if it
is found to be true and the proof
prevails, which I'm I'm convinced after
talking to Candace and the stuff that we
talked about, I'm convinced, then that
mean that there should be dire
consequences
for the French government and whoever
else was involved, the Mcron, what dire
consequences.
I'm talking about the American
government should go after them like
never before.
>> So, I mean, listen, if the French
government really is trying to
assassinate Candace Owens, then yes, I
would expect that to be a diplomatic
problem. Now, governments do be kill
people. So, let's all remember uh the
American government kills people daily
off the uh coast of Venezuela. So, um
don't be too shocked.
Now, having said that, if we really did
find that that was true, I would expect
there to be some backlash.
>> Hell to pay. Yeah. Something
>> I don't know if I'll go that far, but I
if they if we found out that a foreign
government killed Charlie Kirk, then
yes, I would expect there to be hell to
pay. Um, but
it's interesting that a plot is
discovered that I would expect there to
be a much smaller response to than an
actual carried out assassination. So, I
mean, we'll see. We'll see. All right.
Makes
>> sense. We also have the Telegram owner,
Pavle Durov, um, saying that after going
through everything Charlie Kirk ever
said about France and Mcronone, I
actually think Candace's claim about
France being involved in his death is
entirely possible. And then we'll add a
former CIA officer, John Curia, [snorts]
uh, explaining that France assassinates
Green Peace protesters
>> and they're murderous, too. You know,
they're murderous.
>> Oh, yeah. If you're a member of, for
example, of Greenpeace, they're going to
blow your brains out if you try to, you
know, take over a ship or throw paint on
a ship or whatever. They kill a lot of
Greenpeace activists.
>> The French intelligence stuff.
>> Yeah.
>> Like not the paramilitary.
>> No, no, no, no, no. They're happy to go
out and kill people. Have you talked to
any of the CIA uh people that we have
through here often?
>> You're giving me a silent nod. Does that
mean you can't say much? Like what about
this specifically?
>> I I will read you a recent I won't say
who it's from because that doesn't feel
right.
>> Tom is breaking out his phone.
>> Yes,
>> we are getting
>> uh it goes like this.
>> Um I said uh what do you think of
Candace's claims at France? Put a hit
out on her. I said uh something that
would be a little too identifiable. Uh
and then his response was regarding
France. They don't use assassins. She's
full of it. France is a tech heavy
service.
So
>> interesting. A tech heavy service.
>> Yeah. Meaning they're going to spy.
They're going to capture information. Um
but
one one uh intelligence community
intelligence community person's belief.
So take that for what it's worth. But
>> makes total sense.
>> Very interesting.
>> Um you want to get into the breakdown of
the psychological tactics that Candace
is using?
>> Yeah. So, um, yeah, we'll let this guy
speak for himself. So, we're not going
to watch the whole thing, but you'll get
a sense of it in the beginning.
>> Candace Owens might be one of the most
persuasive voices online right now. What
she's really doing, whether she knows it
or not, is one of the most effective
persuasion formulas on the internet. Her
videos on Charlie Kirk's assassination
have averaged millions of views. And
Candace is incredibly good at one thing,
making people feel certain without ever
proving anything. So, I sat through all
36 hours of her investigation so far,
every clip, every theory, just to see
what's really going on. And what I found
were five tactics that make Candace
Owens not just convincing, but
dangerously persuasive. And once you see
them, you won't be able to unsee them.
Now, obviously, a lot of people feel
deceived and gaslit by institutions, and
in many cases, rightly so. But that's
not the only thing going on here. If
you've ever watched one of our episodes,
you'll notice it immediately. The odd
footage, the timestamps, things that
don't line up, the screenshots that
don't make sense, and the random people
who suddenly seem suspicious. But she
doesn't just give you one or two of
these. Every episode, she throws out
more than you can count. Nearly 15 in
this video alone, sometimes over 20. In
fact, I say that this is virtually the
entirety of her episodes. She gathers
anything that could look suspicious,
even if it could be random or unrelated.
on 94 Kakash Patel as far as November
and December. Then we have Frank Turk in
October 7th. Well, Megan Kelly
>> with so many anomalies being introduced
every episode, at least a couple of them
will strike you as strange. And given
the sheer volume of her claims, your
ability to think carefully about any of
them gets drawn out by the sheer number
of them. By the time you start to think
critically about one date or rumor or
insinuation, she's already moved on to
the next. So eventually what happens is
you stop paying attention to the quality
of the evidence and you're overwhelmed
by the quantity leaving you to conclude
that there's just simply too many
strange things occurring for there not
to be something more going on. This can
be thought of as an anomaly overload.
It's what happens when a flood of
speculation starts to feel like evidence
and when the gaps in our knowledge
>> this is what I feel when I'm watching
her stuff. She's just trying to flood
the system. There's so many like I'm
just I'm just saying like if you this is
weird right and you're like yes it's
weird but the number of weird things
that I've encountered in my life that
when I go and actually look under the
hood I'm like oh yeah got it that
happens to me with the economy all the
time where I'm like what why would that
be the outcome and then you realize oh
there's actually the underlying
mechanism whatever that does yield that
otherwise surprising thing. Um, so
yeah, I'm always a little
when I see like the full episode with
Candace, um, I'm always concerned what
she'll take as evidence where it's like,
okay, it's a coincidence. I will give
you that, but I don't understand what
you have that directly connects them.
>> Someone said Alex Jones was a pro at
Anomaly Overload.
>> Oh my god. I'm sure almost every day
he's got a like a World War II kickoff.
we got to talk about it. And I'm like,
bro, I I only see you at the headline
level. And I'm like, come on, Meow.
Like, we see this a lot. Uh,
how does he get everybody to believe?
No, no, no, for real. Today. I know
yesterday and the day before I said it
was then, but like today. That would be
like if I every day was like the market
just crashing today. Today, bro. Uh, and
did that every day all day. I don't
understand. I think people just want to
be in that feeling, I guess. I don't
It's interesting.
>> All right, back to this video.
>> Sinister is happening.
>> What's going on here? What are Egyptian
military subcontractors
doing in the middle of Provo, Utah on
the day that Charlie Kirk was
assassinated?
>> And even though she hasn't proven
anything yet, within one episode, you've
already moved on from curious to
convinced. And all she had to do was to
keep asking questions.
>> The crime that you were not allowed to
commit. just asking questions.
>> Okay. But her asking questions is
exactly what's in question.
If you listen closely to her podcast,
often she is just asking questions, but
in a way where people hear much more
than just a question. Sometimes she
makes the implications clear, as she did
when implying that Donald Trump was
involved in Charlie Kirk's
assassination. I
>> think it is a circumstance where we all
we just know. We just know that he was
truly betrayed in one of the most
egregious ways that I think I've ever
seen. It has made me lose faith in
politics. It's made me fully lose faith
in Trump. Um, and I just like I just my
heart aches for the fact that he gave so
much of his life. Again, whether she
understands that she's using a technique
or not, it is certainly a very evocative
way to pose all of this stuff, this
could be exactly how it's running in her
mind where she sees it and she's like,
"Oh my god, like come on, what possible
reason could there be?" And that feeling
gives her so much certainty that this
obviously doesn't make any sense. Um,
feelings can be very persuasive. Now, I
know a lot of people are saying that
she's got a ton of receipts. So, this is
where I'm like, listen, this is going to
come out in the wash. Like, this one,
because of the lawsuit, I think this
one's going to go all the way across the
finish line. So, it'll be very
interesting to see how far this goes.
Um, obviously, I hope it isn't true. I
hope it isn't true. I don't want her as
a journalist to be being pursued by
another government trying to kill her.
Like, that would be the worst scenario.
Great TV. That would be terrible. I
don't want that to be true. So I
certainly have a bias where like the
idea that this is true is just also
anathema to the world that I want to
live in. Uh so in terms of having a
potential blind spot myself, that would
be it. Um but yeah, I mean we'll be
watching it closely. But this is wild.
>> All right, let's move on to Marjorie
Taylor Green um resigning from Congress.
Um she put out a video. It's pretty
long. I don't think we necessarily want
to go through the whole thing. Um there
is also a transcript. I found something
interesting um in the end of it. So um
first off, she talks a lot about the
personal attacks and things like that.
So maybe walk us through first um like
what's brought her to this point of
actually feeling the need to resign and
go be with her family.
>> My best attempt at getting beyond the PR
of it all knowing that I am not inside
her mind. I've never been in a room with
her. I think that's true. Uh, so this is
speculation to be sure, but I think it
goes something like this. She wanted to
run for statewide office in Georgia.
Trump somewhere between uh, don't
[ __ ] do it and hey, you probably
would lose might be a little
embarrassing. You probably shouldn't do
it. Um, I don't know which of those
interpretations is accurate. I don't
think anybody disagrees that that was
sort of the starting point, but um, she
did not like that. and then turned on
President Trump. I don't know what the
right way to represent that is
neutrally. Uh but certainly started
voting against things, pushing back,
being very public against his agenda.
And I would imagine that that invited
now she's getting attacked from both
sides. So that couldn't have been a lot
of fun. And when I look at politicians,
I have one question. Why the [ __ ] are
you in politics? When I say, "Bro, no
way." There is not enough money in the
universe to get me to go into politics.
Uh,
is there something if you could somehow
convince me that uh, all good,
at least average intelligent people were
dead and I was the only person left. Oh
yeah, I might feel an overwhelming sense
of obligation, but I would never
voluntarily go into politics. It is a
level of misery that is just weird. So
when I saw that, I was like, "Yeah, I
get that." Like you now felt your own
party did not have your back. If she
really is somebody that connects deeply
to people and felt like, "Well, cuz she
was unhinged from where I'm sitting."
Like during the State of the Union,
during Biden's uh last State of the
Union, I was like, "Who is this maniac?"
Uh, so
she obviously put herself very far out
on a limb and if she did that because
she felt like, oh, I've got this anchor
of Trump that's holding this branch, so
I know I'm not going to fall. And so now
I'm that like hyper barking Chihuahua
that feels safe when I've got a fence or
I've got a leash on, but the second you
open the fence or remove the leash, I
actually get very quiet and I don't bark
anymore. So, it's possible she just felt
isolated and was like, "I don't like
this, man. Like, I'm getting attacked
from all sides. Nobody seems to
appreciate this. I'm getting stressed.
I'm missing time with my family." And
so, what am I doing? And if she she said
she spent millions of her own dollars,
so she's like a multi-millionaire
already and can afford to blow millions
of dollars to go and campaign uh on her
own dime, she's calling in rich. It's
like it is a constant temptation.
I know from experience when you already
have plenty of money, you never have to
work again. Every gnarly situation is
judged against hm I don't need to do
this. So, uh, do I pull the rip cord?
So, it feels like either she realizes
I'm just my heart's not in this anymore,
so I'm going to back out. or she
realizes like if she's far more of a
political animal than I realize and is
like ah for me to go build for the next
cycle I need to eject out now I need to
go on a campaign be totally anti-Trump
and uh spend the next you know whatever
year being anti-Trump and then running
for Senate I suppose that's possible um
or something at the state level but she
realizes again conjecture realizes that
um being in Congress and having all this
pressure to adhere to Trump is not the
place to do this. Let me get outside the
system, throw rocks at it, and then run
off the back of that. We'll see. A lot
of the beginning of this um transcript
letter that she ended up reading is her
saying, "I've been cast aside by the
Republican party, but I truly care about
the people. I can't get these ideals
pushed forward." like it when you just
read it, it seems like she has a good
heart, is trying to do right by her
constituents and then just can't push it
forward and is sort of like giving up in
defeat. Um, how do you read that? Do you
read it that way? Do you think there's
some spin here? Do you think that
everything is spin? Everything out of a
politician, every dude, when you talk to
your spouse, when you talk to your kids,
you're spinning. So, humans don't know
how to communicate without spin. Spin is
just frame of reference. Now, how hard
is she spinning? That I don't know. But
for sure, she's going to say goodbye in
a way that puts her in the best possible
light. But does that also sound
plausible? Yes. I'm sure that that is
very frustrating. The best lies are
always tied to something real. Uh so,
I'm sure that she is very distressed at
how much of the legislation that she
tried hard to put forward just never
gets to the floor. that would be a level
of obnoxious that would be hard to deal
with that other people can sort of
relegate you. And then she ran a
strategy of okay, I know how to get
attention in this media age and then
went sort of full unhinged lunatic from
my perspective uh at the end of the
Biden administration. Realized I don't
love the reputation that that's giving
me. Began to reel it in a bit. Um and
yeah, but is this just another political
arc? It could be. We'll see. Like it is
so believable that somebody that has
money that I don't know if she's
married, sounds like she has kids. So
it's like if there are other things for
her to focus on that will give her
meaning and fulfillment like a
thousand%. Do that. Um all of the work
that I do knowing that I never need to
work again is all predicated on meaning
and purpose. And so it's like if she's
like for a long time felt like okay this
is the most meaningful most purposeful
thing that I can do and then just one
wall after another and then felt
abandoned and completely isolated. And
if she's like a communal person which
being a woman she's already prone to be
it's like well I can see her ejecting to
go back to the core group in her life
her family that give her all of those
same feelings and so why am I doing
this? But I can also see that this is
just a temporary battery recharge while
she builds up a campaign statewide and
is like, "Fuck these guys. I don't need
them. I don't need their support. I'm
going to do this my way." She clearly
knows how to get attention. Um, so could
also be that. We'll see.
Toward the end of it, um, she says,
"There's no plan to save the world or
insane 4D chess game being played. When
the common American people finally
realize and understand that the
political industrial complex of both
parties is ripping this country apart,
that not one elected leader like me is
able to stop Washington's machine from
gradually destroying our country. And
instead, the reality is that they, the
common Americans, the people possess the
real power over Washington. Then I'll be
here by their side to rebuild it." Um,
this gives me vibes of kind of when you
talk about fighting for the soul of
America and things like that. It gives
me that kind of feeling. It feels like a
a rally or like a war cry. But then
also, is there truth in that? There's no
plan to save the world and the power
really is with the people. Do you agree
with those statements?
>> Um, well, uh, plan to save the world.
That is a very generous statement for
any politician. But I if she said
there's no plan to re-empower America, I
would say no, that's [ __ ] There's
clearly Trump, Bessant, uh, Lutnik, they
are trying to re-empower America. I
don't need you to believe that they're
doing it for any reason other than
re-empowering America will make them and
their friends richer, but they clearly
are acting as if they are trying to
re-empower America. Cool. Now maybe it's
just a lucky stray that we're all
catching that that will also be good for
us. But they clearly have a plan. Now
whether that plan is going to be
effective is totally different. Also,
and here's the part that I think will
distress everybody. You will learn about
politicians exactly what you learned
about your parents when you were a kid.
There was a time where you thought that
they were invincible. They knew
everything and they were just going to
make the world safe and sound for you.
And then you suddenly realize, oh my
god, they had no idea what they were
doing. They were falling through life
and just making the best of it. The
human interactions at scale are so
complicated. There's no universe in
which any president or anybody else can
accurately map. I'm going to do this
thing and all these series of things are
going to unfold. It's what I call the
chaos machine. Just like trying to run a
business, uh, everybody has a plan till
you get punched in the face by the
market. And so they're going to react.
And so Trump is a intuitive
counterpuncher.
So he does everything by sort of gut
feel and he'll respond. If you're
positive to him, he'll be positive back.
If you're a dick to him, he'll be a dick
back. So once you understand that, it's
like, well, that's what we've got in
office. So you've got a guy that does
everything by intuition. And so it's
going to seem like um he's just
constantly changing his mind or
whatever, but in reality, he's just
learned, oh, I can get ahead by going
in, be open, see what's really going on,
respond in kind, and then like we'll see
where they try to back me. I think that
he has an entire
region of his brain dedicated to where's
the leverage in this. And so he really
does, I think, go into negotiations
understanding where his leverage is,
where their leverage is, how things need
to be maneuvered to switch, who has
leverage where. And so what you see is a
guy that's doing everything intuitively
in a counter puncher style, all based on
how do we get leverage. Once you start
mapping him like that, it's like, "Oh,
okay, cool. I get where this is going."
Um, and he has very thin skin. So, put
that all together and you get a guy that
becomes more predictable in his
unpredictability.
>> All right. So, we're about to go into V
Venezuela.
>> Let's go.
>> Or on Venezuela.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh, however, that that should be said
with oil being a key reason. Now, you
put this link in from ground news and
when I was going through this, I just
found it insane to look at the headlines
between the left and the right. So, like
all the way at the bottom, uh, we've got
a Republican representative says we
should invade Venezuela because of the
oil. And then if we go something lean,
>> that is unhinged, by the way. That's
wild. Like, hey, you've got resources we
want. We should just invade. That is so
wild.
>> And then you read another one and it's
like, Republican congresswoman says
quiet part out loud claims toppling the
Venezuelan oil oil rich regime could be
a windfall. Yeah. So, like if we just
topple their government, then we might
get some stuff out of it.
>> I mean, that's what people do. Uh, one
of the memes that always like feels like
a gut punch because it just feels a
little too true. Is the it just shows uh
the American flag with a bald eagle in
front of it and it says things like uh I
heard Venezuela has a bunch of oil. I
think they need some freedom. And it's
like, oh god. So yeah, there probably is
a little too much truth to that, but I
definitely come down on the this is a
China thing, but that again, I'm so
biased. Like I'm so China obsessed in
that way, um that I have to watch out
for that and make sure that the facts
all line up with that. But it does seem
like this is when you map it to
Trump trying to get leverage against
China, it starts to make a lot more
sense. And then it doesn't hurt that
they've got assets that we want access
to, but from what Maduro was saying, we
could have had relationships with them
around the oil. Um, now maybe they
didn't trust him. I don't know, but he
was certainly signaling like, "Hey, hey,
like if you guys are doing all this cuz
you want great deals on oil, like let's
do it." Um, and Trump was like, "Nope."
So, I have a feeling that it's more than
that.
>> Yeah. So, back up just a little bit.
What's going on with Venezuela? Why is
this part of the conversation and like
are we about to go in?
>> I mean he has got a lot 30% of all
deployed troops are deployed to the
Caribbean. Uh so that does smack of
somebody who at a minimum wants you to
know like if you don't do the thing I
want to do be a real shame if these uh
carriers just had to roll up on your
doorstep. So that wouldn't surprise me
at all. But it also wouldn't surprise me
if this is really about China. So, China
is building a gold corridor in um South
America and they are trying to move
everybody away from the dollar reserve
currency, which would be absolute
catastrophe for all Americans. Um and
they know that no one's going to trust
the yuan. Um and that if the yuan were
backed by gold or if people just own the
gold directly that people aren't going
to trust that China won't just
confiscate it. And so they're trying to
build this distribution network all
across um South America. So it's like
listen, the gold is in the banks
locally. We don't control them. Like you
guys can do whatever you want. Uh so if
you own the gold, you can go get it.
Like everybody relax. Um so they're
making like big inroads into our own
hemisphere. And so if the US has given
up on trying to stop China, which is
wise because nobody wants conflict, um
then now it's a game of where are the
spheres of influence. And so if the US
is like, "All right, we've got the
Western Hemisphere, uh then it's like
South America's in our hemisphere, so
you guys can just take a hike." and
going in and trying to make sure that
they're not getting the deals that they
want with countries like Venezuela, with
countries like Argentina, and making
sure that those all remain allies of the
US. Uh they're going to use the leverage
back to leverage, whatever leverage that
they have. And so they can bully
Venezuela in a way that they cannot
bully China. And they can certainly do a
proxy battle with China in a way that
they um wouldn't be able to just do sort
of naked confrontation. And so between
like the um anxiety and angst over China
having the influence that they had over
the Panama Canal um China sending a ton
of ships through the Caribbean um and
the US is having a big force there to
remind much like China's doing the
military drills off the coast of uh
Taiwan and therefore off the coast of
Japan and Japan is now getting very
nervous and the US is watching it very
closely. we're now putting all this
pressure on Venezuela
knowing that China's paying attention.
And so in that context, all that
behavior makes a lot more sense. And
then also like just doing a little bit
of PR of like, hey, the US is the
strongest military in the world. Watch
us drone a bunch of boats. It's just
good theater for people that are in
Trump's base. And once you remember that
politicians are only about gaining and
retaining power, it's like, cool,
economy is a little shaky. Got to do
something. Even the way that I'm
deporting people, people aren't
necessarily loving it. Um,
let's upgrade to the Department of War
and let's start [ __ ] shooting some
missiles off the coast of America, man.
Like where you can see it. You can you
don't see the strikes, but you can see
the jet scramble and all that stuff. And
it's just like, yeah, like we're [ __ ]
America, man. So, in that context, this
all makes sense.
>> And so, um, one person in chat said, "As
a Venezuelan, we all agree with Trump.
We need your help to get this socialism
and dictatorship out. It's been 26 years
already of suffering, hunger, and
death."
>> Listen, I get it. You're, you know,
speaking to the thing that I love the
most, which is socialism bad. Uh, so
yeah, I mean, I'm with you, man. And I
imagine that the people of Venezuela
would like some freedom. Uh but that has
been pretty much a categorical disaster
every time that we've tried to do it
since World War II. Um so yes, but it's
like
do they because they voted this stuff
in. So, it's like you have obviously
this guy representing a faction of
people, but if you think that I, for
instance, represent all of Americans and
I came and said, "Yo, this Mom Donnie
thing, it's got to go." Uh, I don't
necessarily represent all of America.
So, not only not necessarily, I don't.
So, the guy was democratically elected
in a landslide. So, what do you do with
that? So, it's not like you're going to
roll in, be enveloped in a hug, and
everybody's like, "Yay, thank you." Um,
wish it were like that, but alas, it is
not.
>> So, that's a bit of what's happening.
And then, how do you feel about that? Is
this a good thing, bad thing? It's just
politics, playing politics, or
>> Well, so I'm obviously a big China hawk.
So, I'm very concerned about China. So,
us doing things that let China know
what's up. Uh, you have to do it. You
can't abdicate that responsibility. You
can't just uh give up and let China take
over the world because while it might be
fine for a couple of decades, you do end
up in a position where now you have no
leverage. China can get you you become
uh everyone becomes a vassal state to
China in the way that everyone was a
vassal state to the US. And awesome if
you're American, not awesome if you're
not America. And so I'm not foolish
enough to think that America or anybody
is just benevolent. Uh, but do I think
that America has a value system that
makes us infinitely more benevolent than
China? Yes. So, I would much rather see
a world in which America is a hedgeimon.
Uh, and if we're going to be a
multi-polar world, then America's got to
stand up and be America and draw lines
and say these are not crossable. Um, and
so I won't go to bat for um drone
striking the drug boats. Um there's just
way too much risk in that for me in
terms of whoopsies wasn't a drone boat
or wasn't a drug boat that time. Um so
don't love the way that we're handling
that. But um overall, yes, America must
project strength. Yes, America must
build alliances uh in South America. So
from that perspective, like I'm not
freaking out. I'm not like, "Oh my god,
I can't believe this is happening." But
the one thing I will say, and I know
some people are already saying this, but
I'm surprised this is not like a big
deal. You've got the guy campaigned on
peace, peace, peace, peace, peace. I am
the president of peace. He [ __ ]
changed the name of the department of
defense to the department of war like
and now has got 30% of our troops
deployed into the Caribbean uh saying
really gnarly things to Maduro and drone
striking boats and expecting like the
standing ovation. It's like,
bro, this is off brand. So,
uh that one I'm like, that's weird. Now,
I do think that he really is trying to
run a peace game. And if he didn't
rename the Department of Defense the
Department of War, like here onbrand
would have been it was already called
the Department of War. He names it the
Department of Defense, but uses it in an
aggressive fashion. That I'd be like,
"Yeah, that makes sense." Good PR.
You've got the cover of we we took it
from being the Department of War. We
don't even think like that. These are
defensive postures. then you could be
far more aggressive, but you at least
have PR coverage. He's gone the exact
opposite way, which is, bro, I'm not
even saying you shouldn't be doing these
things, but when you say that you're the
president of peace, you rename it the
Department of War, and then you like
[ __ ] G up in the Caribbean, I'm like,
huh,
this doesn't feel very pe.
All right. Well, you mentioned the James
O'Keefe thing, which is him catching a
guy admitting that the GAO is
>> and technically I'm going to guess this
was a very attractive woman working for
James O'Keeffe, which is how they get
people to do this. Guys, if a woman with
large breasts is sitting across from you
and seems out of your league and starts
asking you questions about your
government job, it's James O'Keefe, bro.
What is happening? This is a Scooby-Doo
episode. You got to stop. You got to
stop. These guys just can't stop.
It's never like a dude that like, oh,
he's on my softball team. It's always If
you're gay, it's going to be a gay guy
or a guy posing gay. If you're a
heterosexual dude, it's going to be a
chick. Boys and girls, can we please? I
don't understand how people fall for
this [ __ ] This is so wild.
>> I feel like this really triggers you
ever since the Jeff Bezos thing,
>> but uh here we are. Well, first of all,
that's his woman. So, I've got nothing
but deep empathy for wishing that your
woman wanted a dickpick. If she asks you
for a dickpick, she's doing it to be
sweet. Your woman does not want a
dickpick. But, uh, yes, that is the foil
of man. So, uh, because I'm not above
it, that's why I'm This is a PSA to
myself. Uh, yeah. Oh, god. Men are
hilarious. Cool. So, let's get into um
the undercover footage showing that the
government accountability office
director admitting that they stole and
backed up federal data to keep it
outside RFK Junior's control.
Make sure
>> I work for the government. [music] I'd
watch out for the vaccine denying head
of HHS
who's going to ruin healthcare in this
country even more than it already is.
>> Are they doing anything to stop him?
We are
>> um in some [music] places administration
has gone through and they've destroyed
statistical agencies and data sources
and they've got literally anything like
deleted
>> important data and we have you know
stolen and backed [music] those things
up um so that they can come back to
Durham and so I know if it ever come if
they ever find a way to get me I'm gone.
Hope nobody figures it out. Well, it
doesn't look
>> as he's saying on camera now. Obviously,
he doesn't know he's on camera, but
still, goodness gracious, this is so
wild.
>> And so, um, the main thing I'm thinking
about here is what kinds of things would
they be saving to then bring back up
later in government that Trump is is
getting rid of? Like, what what would
that be?
>> Well, so this is where my biases are
going to come flying out of my head. uh
I don't know is the only honest answer
but anything that they think he will be
able to use that um to make his case. So
let's say that you find data where it's
like somebody ran a study and it shows
something unfavorable about a vaccine or
something like that and so you're like h
like this is but one of the studies and
the data overall is still great but if
he sees this he's going to get a PR
victory and he's going to run laps and
so we just got to bury it.
Obviously, that's a guess, but I could
see people being able to justify
something like that to themselves where
it's like, "Oh, man. He's going to be
able to make hay with this, but it's
really not that big of a deal." Or it
may really be a lot of evidence, but
people feel like [snorts] it's still on
balance. It's important. Or, and this
one scares me the most, they are just
ideologically captured. Their side is
pro vaccines. Therefore, I'm going to
make sure the vaccines get across the
finish line basically no matter what.
It's probably different people will fall
on different parts of that spectrum. For
some people, it's going to be the
relatively innocent like, "Oh god, this
is just one small thing, but I know that
he'll be able to use it as a political
tool, so I want to hide it." For some
people, it will be like they just they
have an agenda. People are going to get
vaccinated all the way to like this is
some big pharma [ __ ] I'm on big
pharma's payroll. I'm gonna hide this.
I'm not saying that's this guy. I'm just
saying that is going to be in your
basket of options of people who's have
just they're all going to have different
motives. That's going to be one of them.
So yeah, I I have no idea who this guy
is. I do not know which of those motives
are his thing. Um
but man, humans can convince themselves
of some pretty wild stuff when they
believe that they're right or when their
financial future depends on them.
justifying something to themselves,
people can get pretty scary. [snorts]
>> So, the end of this tweet was the most
um inflammatory piece for me, which is
where they say he says when the Trump
admin ends, they will reinstate big
pharma vaccine rules. Yeah.
>> And I just know
>> 2020 was not a good time, especially for
me. Like it co did not help um careers
and life and that kind of thing. Um does
this scare you? Does this make you mad?
Does this even seem possible?
>> Uh, it's very possible. We've already
done it. Uh, so yes, it scares me. So my
mental map,
>> people hated Well, there was a ton of
backlash from the way that the co
policies and like rules went and it
>> was horrible for the economy.
>> And so yes, we've already done it, but
did we do it in a bad way where the
public would never allow it again?
Do you know those memes where the it's
like a sketch drawing and the person's
like pulling their head back, giving you
like side eye, and then its neck gets
longer and longer and longer? That's how
I feel right now. So, the public is
infinitely malleable. If you can get
people to believe um that, hey, on to be
on this team, you wear a mask, you get
vaccinated 12 times a day, like uh you
lock the [ __ ] down, people will go for
it. This this is how I feel when I hear
culturally Chinese are like, "Bro, uh
we've just had so much instability as a
culture." Like, "Yes, all right, ma'am.
45 million people to death, but is it
really that many? We got a billion, bro.
Like, 45 is a rounding error." Uh, and
so we want Xi to come in and just like
be the strong father and just tell us
what to do. I'm so not only Western, I'm
American to my core. So, for me, I've
got this just like hardcore, don't
[ __ ] tell me what to do. I am
pathologically opposed to uh external
forces trying to control my life. So, uh
I have a very strong allergic reaction
to that, but not everybody does, man.
So, it is entirely not only possible, it
is hyper likely that we would go back to
that if that ideology continues to gain
steam. Now remember, and I've walked
people through my logic before, that
same energy is what you see in the
socialist movement. Socialism is a
movement of and if you don't, I'll shoot
you. Once you understand socialism is
like the buses are free, and if you
don't fix them for free, I'm going to
shoot you. If you don't give me your
money so I can pay for these, even
though it's more than I said it was
going to be, I'll shoot you. Like, once
you understand that, that is what
happens. That's not me trying to be
funny or hyperbolic. That's what happens
over and over and over and over and over
and over and over throughout history is
it is a uh confiscatory policy and when
put in the hands of people who [ __ ]
love to tell you what to do uh yeah 100%
we will find ourselves back there again.
There is humans are a uh a thousand
20sided dice roll on personality traits
and you get groupings of people are kind
of like this right you get archetypes
you get Karens
uh you get sociopaths like Jeffrey
Epstein right you get the whole panley
you get your Mother Teresa's you get
your Gandhis you get your Martin Luther
King Jr's your Nelson Mandelas
uh your Putin's You you get the school
teacher who made your life better in a
thousand ways. You you get all kinds of
people, but one of the archetypes, and
there's a lot of them, are people that
really believe they are correct and that
you are a monster for not doing what
they say. And they love to see other
people suffer. And
if you've ever watched Molly's Game,
which is a real story, had her on the
show. Real story about a woman who runs
a gambling ring. And
supposedly, I think his name is Player X
in the movie. Supposedly, Player X is
Toby Maguire. And this is the, if
accurate, the most brutal part of the
movie for me because I despise this kind
of person. And he says, "I don't even
like playing poker." You know why I
play? She's like, "No, why?" Said,
"Because I like destroying lives."
Now, keep in mind there is a type of
person that they'll try to reel you in
in a poker game to get you emotional, to
get you to overcommit,
not just so they can win your money,
which fair enough, you've entered the
competition willingly, but they do it
because they know you're going to have
to go home to your wife and she's going
to cry that you've lost the money. She's
going to be devastated.
uh possible those kinds of things when
put together, you know, with a
personality type just end up breaking up
your marriage. And there's a guy that
gets a heart on that he played some role
in being the straw that broke the
camel's back. I [ __ ] hate that kind
of person with everything I have. So, uh
I am all too aware that they exist. They
exist in distressing numbers and they go
for positions in authority. So, you're
going to find them in the [ __ ]
government. So yeah, yes, this can and
will happen again if we are not
eternally vigilant. It probably will
happen no matter how vigilant we are,
but at least by being vigilant,
hopefully we can keep the scale to a
minimum. All right, let's move on to
something you brought up earlier, which
is the leaked recording revealing
Campbell's soup executives uh shocking
remarks about the soup's ingredients.
Um, this is uh quite funny. Let's watch
the actual video where he says it. A
former Campbell Soup Company employee is
taking legal action against the food
giant and he's making some explosive
allegations about one of its top
executives. Good evening and thanks for
joining us at 6. I'm Ty Steel.
>> I'm Kimberly Gil. Those allegations are
now at the center of a lawsuit claiming
the company's vice president went on an
hour-ong tie raid attacking the
company's products and employees before
taking aim at its customers.
>> And the former employee recorded it all.
Eric Ericson shares that recording and
what the company is saying about it.
>> We have [ __ ] for poor people. Who buys
our [ __ ]
>> And that's just part of an over an hour
long rant says former security analyst
for Campbell Robert Garza of Monroe.
>> I don't it's barely anymore. It's not
healthy. Now that I know what the in it
even in a soup I look at it and look at
me bioengineered meat. I don't want to
eat a a piece of chicken that came from
a 3D printer. You
>> Here's the great news. Hopefully, this
is going to be such horrific PR for
Campbell Soup that they start putting
better like ingredients in their food.
That would become a tremendous outcome.
>> Uh
yeah, I mean, we'll see. Obviously, the
way that he's talking is horrific and
the way that it sounds when you're out
of context is horrible.
I would be very interested to hear the
whole conversation, especially the
context, because you talk in a different
way when you think you're talking to a
friend and
there's no doubt that the way you talk
to that friend is going to reveal things
about like a cavalierness or whatever.
So, um, but I'll be interested to hear
this whole thing because hearing him say
like, "I don't need our products
anymore. They're shit." Like, could also
be and I want to make it better. I But
it could also be that he's just an
absolute despicable [ __ ] I have no
idea. But, um,
yeah, this is going to be a terrible PR
for these guys. I hope that they use it
as an opportunity to put high quality
food in there. It does not have to be
overly expensive. Um, but if you're a
food company, caring about the food that
you feed people like is so important.
And I say that as somebody uh who ran a
food company and was just like, "We are
going to make decisions based on
metabolic reality. Full stop. I don't
care how much [ __ ] money it makes
us." And we put our money where our
mouth was. We made an ingredient change
because we thought that it made it
metabolically better for people. Uh,
cost us a ton of money, but we're like,
I don't give a [ __ ] Like the whole
mission of the company was to end
metabolic disease. So, we're like,
"Okay, we're really going to let that
steer the thing that we do." And um
yeah, I hold food companies accountable
to that. You've got to be looking at uh
people are eating your product, man.
Yeah. So, anyway, people should be
allowed to eat what they want. And if
companies want to make food like Cheetos
uh and great, yes. Uh, but don't make
those like the chicken noodle soup where
it's like this is what you eat like to
be healthy and then it's like 10 pounds
of ass. Um, that's bad mojo. And if the
company inside they know like gh that's
gross.
>> This is a beard a bit of a weird nuance,
but one thing you said in there that
stuck stuck out to me was um the 3D
printed chicken uh comment.
>> I have to imagine he's sort of joking or
not being literal. Yeah,
>> but that I don't know, maybe they really
do something close to 3D printing, but
like if you take what's known as an
extruder, you could kind of say that
it's 3D printing, but protein bars are
extruded. So, what I have a feeling he's
talking about is they put it into these
big vats and then they have things that
come down andop blop, right? And so
you're not 3D printing in the way that
you've got a bunch of different
ingredients and it just pulls them in
and like laser prints something. It's
just going to be you make a big vat of
mush that's like chicken flavored with
proteins and it's like meant to congeal
so it kind of feels like chicken in your
mouth. I'm guessing. I don't know that's
how they do it. I just know how food is
made. Uh so it's probably something like
that. But it's not like you would go
into a warehouse full of 3D printers
that are, you know, zapping it out. By
the way, no shade on 3D printing food. I
really think that that's the future.
Call it 20 years from now, you literally
will buy ingredients and you literally
will 3D print based on like amino acids
and stuff. Um, but you could get really
healthy stuff as long as they do the
work to figure out like, okay, but wait,
when something grows inside of a body,
uh, eating things that lived in the
dirt, like there probably is like things
that we just have a hard time accounting
for even when you mix amino acids. But
with AI, it's possible that we actually
know all the nuances of everything
that's contained and we can watch how it
impacts your body down at the cellular
level. Be like, "No, you're good." Um,
so yeah, that'll be interesting. Now, as
a side note to this, I really think it's
shitty that we live in the era where
people are just constantly recording
each other. That is a dick move. I'm not
saying that this guy isn't an [ __ ]
and I'm not saying that. Thank God like
somebody now knows what's going on,
>> but Yeah. Yeah. So, Google's parent
company, Alphabet, was closing in on a
$4 trillion valuation on Monday. That
would set them to become the only only
the fourth company to enter that club.
Um, and so a $4 trillion valuation, you
just talked about they're trading so
many times revenue. Yeah.
>> Um, where does that end up? So, if a
company becomes that valuable to where
they can never make back the investors
the money, um, what happens to it? Is it
just the bubble's going to burst and at
some point everybody loses out, but it's
like a fun ride on the way up or like
how does this go?
>> Uh, you probably have to be a lot more
specific to keep me from fanning out too
far, but I'll try to speedrun the web
and then you can push on anything that
you think is useful. Okay. The way that
this works is the valuations are based
on vibes. Anybody that tells you
different is not looking at the numbers
right now. Um, that's what the stock
market is. The stock market is vibe
based gambling. And yes, people that are
vibe-based gambling. They will either
make a lot of money, lose a lot of
money, uh, on the ups and downs because
they're gambling oftentimes on very
rapid movements. Now, much of what's
driving the price up is debt. So people
go to their brokerage, they are able to
trade on margin, so they get debt and um
that creates new money. That is the same
as like money printing, but it's only
trapped in one ecosystem. So it can't
spread out to the rest of the world, but
it does inflate the cost of the shares.
So Google is seeing inflated values
largely as a response to the money
printing inside of the um stock market.
So, it's like uh the valuations probably
shouldn't be read as literal. They're
almost certainly going to come back
down. We would normally start deflating
these bubbles slowly by tightening
rates. We're not going to do that
because of something called fiscal
dominance. Uh so, we're in fiscal
dominance. The Fed can't raise rates
meaningfully. Therefore, people keep
borrowing and trading on margin.
Therefore, the cost of the assets
continues to skyrocket. um because
people are betting on oftentimes these
like um sort of daily fluctuations.
Remember, volatility is what traders
want. And so they don't care if it's
going up or down. They just need it to
move rapidly. But when it moves rapidly,
it often will wipe people out that bet
wrong. And so this is how you get where
the theoretical money, oh my god, we
just lost $50 billion or whatever in 24
minutes. And it's like, yes, sort of.
Most of that value was theoretical
because most people didn't sell. um at
either the top or the bottom, but it
does give you this sort of whipssawy
thing if you're just looking at the
candles. Um so the way it will play out,
I think, is basically going to be the
the ultimate promise of AI will finally
be delivered. You will justify on a long
enough timeline the valuations that we
have today, but the confidence in those
valuations will break long before we're
able to deliver on the promise. So it
will look like 1999. This is exactly the
internet. And so everyone was like, "The
internet's going to change the world."
And then it did, but it took much
longer. And so they crashed because
people lost faith in the valuations. Uh
instantly, boom, it just even Amazon
lost like 86% of its value or something.
It was just absolutely massive. And so
at that moment, people were like, there
were companies that were saying, "I
don't even want my product sold on the
internet because it's so embarrassing to
be associated with the internet in
2000." That that's real. So now you see
like well hold on people weren't wrong.
It's just the timing and the fact that
the real value of the market is
determined by vibes. So once the vibe
breaks even though there are some
companies that have underlying
structural reality like Amazon and so
Amazon was profitable and so they were
able to just keep building, keep making
money. So in the same time period that
they lost 86% of their value or whatever
it was, it might have been more than
that uh they tripled their revenue. So
they grew out of it and on the other
side they were great. So we just don't
know which of the companies are going to
be the companies that survived this
because um Pets.com for instance uh
etoys
um loss like there were so many names
that were supposedly going to be like
the can't miss big winners of the
internet age. They went away. But we did
make good on the promise of the internet
itself. And if you held, especially if
you held on to the ones that just
survived, even though they were limping
for several years after the crash, if
you just held on to those for the next
10 to 20 years, you made an insane
amount of money. Um, Amazon went up by
100,000%.
So, you just have to believe in it still
at the bottom.
When we have companies like this getting
insane valuations, do you change not
financial advice, but do you change your
investing strategy at all? I know you're
a boring guy, but
>> I'm super boring and I try at all times
to price in that the stock market is
just gambling on vibes. So, I am looking
at sectors. So, I'll go, do I think AI
is going to be a sector that gets bigger
over time? Yes, cool. I want to be in
the sector, but I have no idea who are
going to be the winners and losers.
Also, PS, I keep a ton. I've got about
three years of um cash and cash
equivalents. It's not money at my
[ __ ] house. Uh but I keep about three
years worth of just I don't want to have
to panic money on hand. So that way I'm
like, yeah, if the stock market goes
down for more than three years, then I'm
going to be like, okay, well, we've got
to do something. Um, but I'm not tense
and I
put myself in a position very
intentionally
where the stock market could be down for
10 years and I would try not to sell
anything. So,
it could I mean, look, there's
definitely a scenario where it's so
cataclysmic that I would need to sell
some things. You know, I'd hold out for
those first three years and not sell a
thing. Uh but if nothing came back up
and I wasn't able to like get things
together, then you start looking at
okay, do I adjust my lifestyle or do I
start selling? I don't know. We'll see.
Um I I am not personally very addicted
to the trappings of wealth. Um so
changing my lifestyle wouldn't be that
scary for me, but anyway, whatever. So
for me, the game is to hold for a long
period of time. Like that's the game.
And when you look even at the Great
Depression, the Great Depression was
like 10 years long. So, it's like if you
can get to the other side of 10 years,
you just never really have to worry
about anything. So, it's just most
people absolutely cannot do that under
any circumstance.
>> While we're on investing, earlier you
said it's harder to keep the money than
make the money. Uh what would you say to
people that call [ __ ] on that?
>> Oh, get rich, try it.
So, h maybe that is uh me saying because
my personality is so much more prone to
making money than it is to investing,
but no. I mean, if you Oh, God. Is it
actually literally easier? Um, how about
this? It's easier to make money than
keep money. It might not be easier to
get rich than to stay rich, but it is
certainly easier to make money, like a
living wage, than it is to save that
money and invest it well over time.
Because there's so many things that are
attacking it. um you're forced to gamble
because of inflation and then the odds
of you are gambling right over a long
period of time low. So the vast majority
of people just don't have the discipline
to set and forget in something that is
likely to beat inflation over the next
10 to 20 years. And because of that,
most people don't keep the money. And
then if you factor in the generational
side where it's like, well, now I also
have to train my kids and they have to
train their kids. You see why once you
start zooming out to three generations,
it's effectively impossible. Almost
nobody does it.
>> And then somebody in chat said, uh, Tom,
it's not gambling, it's speculation.
We're highbrow.
>> Yes, that's nice. I like that. Whoever
said that, I very much like that. Uh,
yes. Normally people actually attack me.
So halfway through that sentence I was
ready to really like come unglued on
this person. You were like fist up.
>> Literally fist up. Uh so fast I almost
dislocated my shoulder. But uh they had
me in the What is it? You had me in the
middle. Uh but you won me over in the
end. Yes. We're highbrow around here.
Speculation. Speculation.
>> And then let's tell people about Friday.
>> Oh yes. So uh everybody this is a
holiday weekend for us. So we will not
be going live on Friday. Uh we give
everybody the 4-day weekend. So, um, you
guys also have the 4-day weekend. So, go
enjoy, have a wonderful Thanksgiving
wherever you are in the world. May this
weekend be wonderful for you. Um,
your life
quality will be determined by the things
you focus on. So, really do take time to
focus on the things you're grateful for,
the people that you love, all of that
stuff. It sounds super cheesy, but it
really does work. Uh, so know that I
will be thinking about you guys. I am so
grateful for this community. Um, even
the people that are hate watching, thank
you. You help us generate revenue
dollars. It's amazing. We love you the
most. Uh, actually, not the most, the
people that are here being supportive,
helping each other. We love you the
most. Uh, but nonetheless, so grateful
for you guys. Hope you have a wonderful
weekend and we will see you next week.
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