What Trump & Elon Don’t Want You to See About Their Plan to Audit the IRS | Tom Bilyeu Show
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Doge dives into the IRS and people freak
out Trump ratchets up saying Canada will
have to become the 51st state and I
freak out someone bombed a Chernobyl
nuclear facility but conspiracies abound
about who it was Dems actively call for
censorship of Americans and a finance
expert wakes up to how money printing
drives the stock market someone leaked
audio of Jamie Diamond thrashing his
employees and Ohio legislators want to
charge men 10 K per nut plus if solo
ball play is all you got fear not cuz AI
going to Riz for you Lisa billu welcome
to the show it is yet another crazy day
in the world tell me about it what do
you think where we at um all right well
I am feeling in for Drew today and the
first thing is I can't believe so why
are people freaking out about Doge
diving into the IRS okay that is a very
good question I think this is going to
be the great conspiracy of our time as
exactly what is it that the Democrats
are pushing back on is it that they're
afraid that the that they've been doing
things for years for decades that they
don't want people to know about or is
this a political Ploy and they're just
going to try to stop them no matter what
they're doing that's going to be the
question but I heard a really
interesting comment I cannot verify that
this is true but if it is true uh it
certainly gives you a leaning that the
searches for
um litigators for defense attorneys
excuse me have skyrocketed in DC now if
that's true and again I don't know that
it is but if that's true that tells you
that people are worried that they're
going to in all of these searchings are
going to begin to uncover things but to
me this is an extension of the thing
that made the US a uh breakdown
incredibly important is the American
people can feel that there is a reason
that they cannot get ahead they don't
know what that reason is now anybody
that's been following me for a while
knows that ultimately you sniff this
back it's all going to come back to how
currency is manipulated money printing
inflation we have something on that
later in the show but why on Earth would
anybody want
87,000 more IRS agents this is what the
Biden Administration was putting forward
whatever two years ago and people were
like yeah cool like get in there because
it was this whole ethos of uh
billionaires are not paying their share
let's get in let's figure this out I ran
the math on it at one point and it was
something like each IRS agent would only
have to audit uh something like five
people for the entire top 1% to be
audited you you do not need
87,000 agents to uh even if we accept
that the 1% aren't paying their fair
share you don't need that many Auditors
this is very much about getting into the
business of Americans controlling their
finances even farther they making sure
that the government can spend as much
money as they want with impunity this is
the exact kind of mentality that's
driving us off this fiscal cliff so you
have the previous administration instead
of saying how do we get the government
more efficient they're saying how do we
get more money from the American people
that to me is so grotesque and so
horrifying that I it it's almost hard to
comprehend now the same people who were
saying get 87,000 more Auditors in here
are
twigging out that the Trump
Administration is saying instead let's
point that audit back at the IRS to see
exactly what they're doing why would you
not want to see that go forward if
you're clearly not opposed to audits
happening but you're opposed to the
agency itself being audited so this
feels like a bunch of people telling on
themselves but again I want to be honest
it could either just be no matter what
they say we're against it we want to
oppose it and that they go in and they
find that there is gross in efficiencies
I think that will be very obvious but
they don't find anything nefarious you
need to let that play out I think
jumping to conclusions that you know
we're going to find anything other than
waste I think is unwise at this point
but you're either saying I don't care
what's good for the American people I
don't want efficiency here I just want
to stop what they're doing or they
really are hiding something but this era
of
transparency is is I think the most
important thing to happen in a very long
time the only way for us to move forward
as a country in an age where information
travel so fast and in such huge amounts
the only way for people to be able to
make sense of this is to put things out
there I'd love to see it on the
blockchain but you put where are we
spending money where are we intaking
money like what what are the receipts so
that people can look at this and go okay
we're doing this deficit spending and
I'm I'm here for it it's yielding these
tremendous out outomes but what they're
going to find is that the reason you
feel that you can't get ahead is because
of all this the government is spending
way more than they intake uh they are
artificially stifling growth through
regulations and so by continuing to take
money from people in the form of direct
taxes and the indirect tax of
inflation that is the reason that we
can't get ahead and then you layer on
top of that creating a very unfriendly
business environment and you cap our
growth and so now you see and it didn't
make the cut for today's episode but
there's this one sort of loan legislator
who is just trying to get people to
understand how much debt we are bringing
on and once you understand that the
interest on our debt alone is a bigger
expense than our defense budget okay the
thing everybody wants to see audited the
thing that's bigger than that is the
interest on the debt so you have that
reality to be faced and growing by the
way rapidly and if we don't make
dramatic changes you're going to add in
the next 10 years it's something like
another 20 trillion dollar I mean just
absurd in the extreme and so you've got
that reality is there and yet people are
freaking out about an approach to
efficiency so to me it's just laying
bear that we have a wildly dysfunctional
system where people just want to fight
against the other side um that they
aren't interested in what's better for
the American people which there is
literally at the level of Economics
there's just no arguing that you can't
sustain these levels of debt uh that you
have to print money to do it printing
money makes makes the rich richer and
the poor poor which I've walked people
through the mechanism a thousand times
I'm happy to do it more but you're just
up against structural realities and so
when I see people push back against that
uh it is truly maddening okay a cple
questions um you said you don't want to
think like the go dark or think really
badly until you figure out why but why
else would they do it it seems like it's
those two it's either um man is
political animal and they will do
whatever they have to to maintain power
which we have a clip later of a Democrat
she she actually says the words we'll
show it she says the words um I want to
support somebody that's serious about
censoring the American people and I
quote and I went and watched the whole
speech cuz I was like in context does it
make sense nope that they this is a
naked grab for power and because of my
whole thing and I haven't talked about
this in a while but people in my
audience um hopefully have seared this
into their memory uh there are three
books that I don't think people can read
and not develop a real fear of top-down
authoritarian government and that is the
rise and fall of the Third Reich uh B
the unknown story and the gulg
archipelago and though there three books
that I mean this this is relatively
recent history we're talking like 80
years ago and in the case of Mao less
and when governments Force compliance of
thought through censorship you end up
necessarily murdering people now
hopefully that sounds absurd but the
reality is that when you have a
pluralistic society where I mean just
think about how we have a small company
and we can't get everyone to agree on
everything you and I don't agree on
everything so the only way to make
somebody agree with you is force and you
can make things very uncomfortable
financially we're obviously seeing that
uh or you can imprison and then when
people just won't stop you start killing
them that that is how top- down
authoritarian control works because
eventually people push back and they say
I'm not willing to take this anymore
more but you force them to take it and
so that is the when I hear people
calling for
censorship that's just where it goes and
so uh I'm way more freaked out by what's
going on in the UK than you are but
you're seeing this now in Western
countes the UK you guys don't have
freedom of speech and so people are
getting arrested for posts on social
media like arrested they're getting
longer terms than people commit sexual
violence I mean it's just it's insane uh
so I don't think when people look at
this stuff that they're taking it
seriously enough that naked grabs for
power are horrifying and they're done by
both sides and so the only punchline
here is you one go slow don't don't add
to the problem by freaking
out but when somebody raises their hand
and says I don't want you looking into
how money's being spent like insane red
flag and then when you see people
calling for censorship that for me you
have to draw a hard and fast line so
what does the reality of this um
investigation look like for the everyday
person like is there a we want this to
happen because now it benefits me like
what does I don't think people really
understand what it's going to mean for
the IRS to be audited so what the right
way to read this moment is that Trump
feels that he has an edict from the
American people to come in and make
government more efficient to put money
back in their pockets to reduce the cost
of living and Trump has said I'm going
to go out to the greatest Capital
allocator the potentially world has ever
seen certainly the greatest living
capital allocator and I'm going to have
him go into these tremendously
complicated systems and like a systems
engineer figure out what's going on so
one of the most this this happened a few
days ago but one of the most fascinating
things that um Elon has found in taking
a systems approach to looking at whether
it's the IRS or the big one was they
were offering people retirement they
were being told to to shrink the
government and they were being told well
people can't retire that quickly he said
why not and the punchline and this is
this is first principles thinking the
punchline of why people couldn't retire
faster was because of the speed of an
elevator in a Min shaft
now I hope you're like what yeah as if I
just glitched and there's no way was I
was I was thinking I was glitching
you're like maybe I didn't understand
that correctly okay I will repeat and
then I'll explain how this is true uh
the rate at which people in the US
government can retire is uh tied to the
speed of an elevator in a specific Min
shaft okay why because back in the 1950s
they started storing the record of
people retiring in a I think a limestone
mine uh in Pennsylvania as just a place
to keep these gigantic documents and
they've never updated it they've never
gone digital so imagine this is 2025 and
so now to transport the records down
into the mine they have to go down this
elevator and the elevator speed then
says okay wait we can't store the
documents fast enough so we have to um
basically process people at a certain
rate and so when you put in for
retirement they schedule it based on how
quickly they can get the documents into
that mind and so nobody's saying to
themselves why don't we update these
systems I mean technically they are but
they're they've gotten in 10 years I
think they've gotten to the letter
B what yeah so th this is where it's
like people legitimately do not
understand systems level first
principles thinking when you look at all
of these audits making the government
more efficient it's going to bring to
the surface things that will be very
confusing to people but it's what you
have to do so if you're spending $2
trillion and you know that the
government is um nakedly taxing and
using syruptitious tax going to the IRS
that controls all of that is a great
place to start just to get a baseline
where are we at so again I won't leap to
the conclusion that you're going to find
uh fraud but I will will certainly leap
to the conclusion that that's a really
good place to get a sense of where are
we right now is this being done
efficiently are we only taxing people
what we're supposed to are we keeping
more of people's money because they
don't seek a return right and this is
the one that I worry we're going to see
that you're going to go in and realize
that the government is over taxing
people and they're just waiting for you
to be too dumb to understand the tax
code and so why are billionaires quote
unquote not paying their fair share
because they understand the tax code or
they pay an army of people to understand
the tax code but the average person
doesn't and so the government isn't
going to be like uh oh we're going to
give you a lot more back this is they're
they're going to give you back only what
you put forward using Turbo Tax and so
the the terrifying thing will be
terrifying in the sense that people are
going to be very angry if they go in and
they find oh [ __ ] the government already
knows what you owe and they should just
say this is what you owe knowing the tax
code and making it they should make the
tax code clean and simple this is what
you owe we're not taking a penny more
than you owed we're not counting on you
to outsmart us we're just going to say
simple tax code this is what we take so
I have a feeling that what Trump and
Elon are I am I am now way out over my
skis I am mind reading but I have a
feeling it will be something like
um the government is taking more than
they need to there are obvious things
that people could be claiming and aren't
and the government isn't saying hey he
hey we you don't owe us this much we you
only need to give us this much we're
going to give you this much back um that
will light people on fire and then
they're going to point and say this is
all the other guys
now we get into the WWE of it all
because let's remember Trump is already
president so you have a system that is I
think just wildly unmodernized first of
all will take as much from the people as
the people will allow them to take you
need look no further than money Printing
and all of the data is there for anybody
to see and so the second you start
looking at it the people who most want
every dime that they can get from the
American people are going to yell the
loudest and right now the people yelling
the loudest are on the left so does
elon's tweet hurt or help this situation
all right so this is an Elon tweet
Reuters was paid millions of dollars by
the US government for large social large
scale social deception he put that in
quotes uh that is literally what it says
on the purchase order they're a total
scam just wow okay uh this is why just
reading headlines is problematic I do it
everybody does it I get it so for sure
for sure um we all have to be thoughtful
about this but if you pull up the image
and to his credit he included the image
but if you go look at the description
which is what he's quoting so right
there in the description field it says
active social this is uh the payment
that Reuters was given in the
description they say what this is for
and it says active social engineering
defense in parenthesis as d n
parenthesis next uh part of the
description large scale social deception
in parentheses LSD now I don't think
there's any way to read that other than
that this is for defense of social
engineering I think Elon knows that and
I think that he put this out because he
knew the headline would be amazing now
the headline is technically true it does
say large scale social deception but let
me tell you if you're actually paying
Reuters to do large-scale social
deception you do not put that in the
field you only put that in the
description field because it's tied to
defense defending against this now I
still think that's worthy of question
because I doubt very much that I'm going
to agree with Reuters that they should
be in this game of deciding how they're
going to protect us from that because
it's probably [ __ ] it's probably all
propaganda but the way that Elon is
framing this is also propaganda so boys
and girls it is propaganda up down left
right AB select start like it's just
everywhere and once you understand that
every time somebody is speaking they're
speaking in propaganda like
unintentionally every word out of my
mouth is from my frame of reference I am
I am giving you the lens of the world
through my frame of reference reference
that's why you cannot listen to any one
person myself included you've got to be
triangulating the truth by seeking out
people who are sincere now because of
the way the human mind works uh
sincerity doesn't always get you the
most clicks the most views uh it doesn't
get people on your side I think Elon
knows that he he can get people uh get
their emotions inflamed by saying look
it says it right there uh so yeah I I
don't love it but this is how the game
is played uh this is why you can't you
cannot allow your government to censor
because at least I can come on and say
look that's [ __ ] it's obviously
[ __ ] so I don't know what the [ __ ]
uh but you're going to see more and more
of this now if you're going to run every
person through a purity test everyone's
going to fail so um it's not like I'm
going to be like well now [ __ ] Elon like
get him out of here but if Elon says
something that I read to be ridiculous
I'm going to say I read this to be
ridiculous um and I think that's the way
this has to play so does that help no it
does not do I wish that he hadn't said
it yes I do um do I think that this
invalidates what they're trying to do no
I don't there's one more clip that we
have to play of the finance expert
coming to realize that money printing is
the problem not a problem it's the
problem I didn't
realize that if the average year the
money printer goes call it 8 to 10% even
in the western countries even in the
oacd Nations and the average return on
the S&P 500 is call it 9ish per
including dividends maybe 9.7 maybe a
little
less that it means that all of the work
of the S&P
500 all of the value created there is
actually the money
printer that to me was
startling that is a startling Insight so
uh this is the thing I am just trying
trying to get people to understand like
it all comes back to money printing like
there are so many illusions that are
created from money printing like oh the
stock market's going up no it's not the
stock market is simply keeping uh the
way that it works is as you print money
the money loses value therefore anything
that is I hate using this phrase
denominated in dollars meaning it's just
priced in dollars will acknowledge that
those dollars are worth less by going
going up in price it's the same reason
it seems like your house is going up in
price your house is not going up in
price the dollar is going down in value
so to get the same value it must go up
in price I will use the coffee analogy
again if what you want out of coffee is
caffeine if I keep pouring water into
your coffee you have to drink a lot more
mugs of coffee in order to get the same
amount of caffeine it's not that my uh
coffee has somehow magically gotten
stronger it's that it's in fact the
opposite you've watered it down so much
that you have to like drink your five
cups 8 cups 10 cups whatever to get the
same Buzz so once that locks into place
for people all a sudden you go oh my God
the game is not at all what I thought I
was playing if you want an increase in
in real wealth then and he goes on to
say it in the clip we don't have to play
it because we're pressed for time but uh
if you want an increase in relative
wealth you have to make a huge bet and
be right and this is why I say the stock
market is gambling
because if you really want to do
something like if you want to buy a
house that's actually going to go up in
value compared to the devaluation of the
dollar you've got to like call Austin 10
years ago call Austin 10 years ago now
for real it goes up in value because a
ton of people flooded into that area so
now it's not just keeping Pace with
inflation it's that area has truly
become more valuable but you have to
call it early and be right most people
will bet early and be wrong and that's
why the that kind of trading ends up
demolishing most people it's something
like 5% of the people make all the gains
uh but you have to own assets this is
not me saying assets are bad you have to
own assets to keep up with inflation but
if you don't understand the actual game
you're playing you're in trouble and
that is a finance expert uh who said
he's been teaching Finance for like 20
years and only just like in the last few
years as he realized oh this is what's
actually going on I'm telling you people
that think they know money do not know
money even myself I consider my uh
Vision incomplete I've got to keep
learning learning learning but when you
get to that foundational piece it really
does change how you view everything
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the show so I can imagine it'd be
absolutely detrimental if you owns
property and in a neighborhood that ends
up declining because now your property
value goes down so do you technically
lose even more money well yeah I mean if
you pick a neighborhood and something
bad ends up happening in that
neighborhood hey since Chernobyl come up
if you owned a house in Chernobyl o
buddy uh your property value just went
to zero so yes of course you'd be losing
more money um but property values are
it's I mean take somewhere like um
Southern California because it's
impossible or getting more Impossible by
the day to get fire coverage yes the
value of your house is going to decline
and you are going to feel that for real
that that's a real decline in value for
sure but people need to understand it's
just spin spin spin as far as the I can
see all right well speaking of spin
let's go I feel that transition coming
Trump um somewhat insists and says um
that Canada must become the F 51st state
yeah play the clip so people can hear it
directly from him technically says have
to but uh I want people to hear it for
themselves by the way Canada is just
about the lowest payer also just be you
know they shouldn't be that they are
just about the low EST payer in nato in
addition to everything else so Canada's
really been taken advantage of and if
they had to pay just
something uh modestly Fair they would be
able to uh succeed as a country and
that's why that's why I I feel they have
to become a state so uh look I think
people are getting used to this rhetoric
now when he first said it honestly I
thought he was teasing I I I literally
just thought he was being playful and
over the toop uh but but the more he
talks about it the more I realize he's
serious now I don't think it's ever
going to happen and I don't think that
there's enough pressure in the world
that he's going to be able to put on
them uh without breaking all kinds of
other things in terms of our standing in
the world and people just thinking like
this is absolutely absurd now play this
clip uh of me being the wrongest person
in the world if it ends up happening I I
will certainly update my thinking but I
cannot fathom a universe in which this
actually happens but why is he pushing
this rhetoric so hard
okay so um he talks about this a lot and
I think ultimately it boils down to if
you're an entrepreneur and you're
looking at the world and you're you're
saying okay I have a mandate from the
people my job is to come in and make
lives better for the average American
how do we make lives better for the
average American you put more money in
their pocket I just cannot tell you it
it there's a famous saying it's the
economy stupid like if you want to know
why somebody gets elected or Not Elected
it is when a person who is about to cast
a vote thinks about what that person is
going to mean for them what they mean is
are you going to make my life
financially better and are you going to
make my kids' lives even better than
mine when you get people to say yes this
person will put more money in my pocket
and it will make sure that there will be
more opportunities for my kids people
are going to vote for that person it
really is the economy stupid when people
feel like they're flush with cash they
feel good when they feel hamstrung they
feel terrible humans are that simple and
he's coming in saying okay I've been
given the Mandate that I have to flip
that for Americans because despite all
what I'll call [ __ ] reporting over
the last four years from the Biden
Administration about economies better
than ever we're going to get into when
we talk about the economist later or the
the finance expert later who was like
Jesus I just realized inflation printing
money is the
problem um we'll see why but he
understands okay I've got to get
spending under control and I've got to
find growth now as an entrepreneur you
say to yourself okay what's the fastest
way for my my company to grow oftentimes
the answer is acquisition so this is
Trump looking at basically the
acquisition of a 51st state uh I think
very much in his heart whether he would
say it out loud or not he's got like uh
oh man this is going to be terrible
uh all right this would require a very
long episode unto itself so dear world
please forgive me I know this is going
to get clipped out uh that he has a pulk
like tendency to want to make America
great through expansion and so whether
that is um Greenland whether that is
Canada as a 51st state whether that is
getting the Panama Canal back and the
bad news historically is that it works
and we all just think that we're living
in a time where all that stuff is done
man like nobody has to think about that
anymore apparently we do like he is I
think serious that he wants to see
Canada become the 51st state thinking
like an entrepreneur who can acquire
this company uh known as Canada Inc and
Canada Inc has a ton of resources and
he's looking so when you acquire a
company you go uh o I've just found a
company that's undervalued if it were in
my hands so uh you look at it it's
what's known as a strategic acquisition
so not being bought by like a private
Equity company that can't make um can't
merge two entities together and get
efficiencies instead it's a strategic
like when we sold Quest we sold to
another protein bar company and so they
were like oh my gosh like we can bring
these guys in get their revenue get
their community and we'll be able to
bring manufacturing efficiencies not
have to pay to accounting companies all
that kind of stuff uh so for a strategic
acquir you usually get a much higher
multiple because they uh on your Revenue
or your iida whatever you're being
valued against and so um by selling to a
strategic it's like they really think
they have a vision for how they can make
use of this okay so Trump is drill baby
drill so he's looking at America and
he's saying hey like we're GNA stop all
this green New Deal [ __ ] we're going
to uh return to fossil fuels we're going
to get this economy humming by drilling
then he starts looking up at Canada in
some kind of way and is like oh damn
these guys are even more Greenly absurd
than we are I'm going to get them to be
the 51st state I'm going to now be able
to use my drill baby drill TCT I mind
reading here I'm fully aware of that I
he has not said this uh but this this is
my read I'm going to apply the same
ideas up there they've got all these
natural resources that they're not
exploiting we would be able to bring
massive growth to the now very expanded
US economy uh and where does that make
us as an energy producer in the world if
it was us and Canada I mean we're
already one of the uh biggest energy
producers in the world if we were also
combined with Canada it would be insane
and so it becomes not only territorial
expansion but you get the revenue
opportunities from a GDP perspective of
not only just getting those resources
but being way more in his mind efficient
with those resources and so I mean
honestly God I hate to say this because
it's so [ __ ] terrible
but if they became the 51st state you we
would be economically monstrous okay so
good for America yeah what about for
Canada I mean oh God from the uh
Canadian psyche terrible you you want to
be your own country you don't want to do
things the American way in fact from
what I hear from what I hear I don't
have any studies but from what I hear
there's not exactly a lot of proam
sentiment in Canada which is exactly why
this is never going to happen like even
if they were like yeah economically it
would be better for us that's not the
country we want to be uh and boy oh boy
would I think it uh an absolute Earth
shattering crime for uh Trump to pursue
territorial acquisition through force
that that is I am not here for that that
would be an atrocity is he threatening
to do I don't see anything like that I
don't think that's his play I don't
think he's going to go down that road
but I think he is going to keep beating
the drum about this is better for them
and they're going to get more prote and
he's going to do what he can with
tariffs uh to make it harder for them uh
to be independent so even what he's
saying there in terms of
um if they were asked to pay their fair
share of NATO they would be in a very
difficult position economically as a
country now he tips his hand there where
it's like oh if you can weaken their
economy then it becomes like way better
for them to consider becoming being the
51st state so is he going to play that
economic card yeah probably is some of
the flirtation with the tariffs about
that probably um is he going to try to
push that through in the next four years
I don't know I don't know this is where
you read enough history and you start
going huh this has pulk Vibes and for
anybody that knows how pulk did the
Manifest Destiny to get America to go
from sea to shining sea he was the guy
uh and did it in four years he said I'm
only going to run once what is pul p
president pulk p o l k I forget his
first name um but he said I'm gonna run
one time I'm going to be in office for
four years and I am going to get America
to go all the way across the country and
he did it and his own like it was I
previously said I wasn't sure if it was
uiss srant it was uh he he was like yeah
this is horrific because it forced us to
go to war with Mexico uh and we just
[ __ ] slapped them around and took
like a huge amount of like 20 1 million
square miles I think fact check me on
that number it's directionally correct
for sure uh and yeah people were [ __ ]
mortified so that would be um that would
be civil war time in America if he tried
to do it through Force for sure because
even I'd be like what the [ __ ] is going
on and so probability because sometimes
you know what the man's going to do so
as an Act of Faith I choose to believe
it is essentially 0% chance that he will
do it by force I don't think it not
keeping me up at all uh but I do think
that he's going to try to play that card
pretty hard economically it's just crazy
that this is real but crazy in a like I
am realizing uh there's a concept called
real uh Pol real politique real
politique so it's like real politics
basically what is real politique real
politique is this is all Force that's
all this ever was economic and physical
uh and for 70 years we got to think in
the west that that wasn't what this
really is that's the game well speaking
of force so someone apparently bombed
Chernobyl yeah so what on Earth is going
on there who and why on Earth would they
bombit I don't think anybody knows but
uh this is where tinfoil hats will
abound and you mean conspiracy theorists
yeah yeah because
so uh why would Putin do it so the is
that the spe forward thing would be this
um Putin wants to do a show of
because Trump is saying that Putin wants
peace and Putin is saying no no no this
is all going to be on my terms and I'm
going to really [ __ ] these guys up and
I'm going to drop a bomb on the
sarcophagus around Chernobyl so
Chernobyl for people that don't know
melted down back in the 80s when it was
a part of Russia and they had to build
this gigantic concrete sarcophagus over
uh Chernobyl to trap the radiation and
someone Just Dropped a Bomb on it now
either Putin did it
as a show of strength like hey [ __ ] you
Ukraine like we're going to ruin you
guys we're going to get all the
territorial concessions just a reminder
that we're totally in control there's
this concept called a false flag where
you do something against yourself to
justify uh in zelinsky's case I this is
breaking news I am not saying this is
what happened I'm just saying this is
these are the two things that are being
talked about
online for zalinsky it would also like
if
if the world wasn't so used to false
Flags now it would be a pretty gangster
move you drop that bomb on troby
yourself you say Putin did this as an
act of aggression dear us all European
countries you got to give us more
military aid so that we can push this
guy back as you can see he's a Madman
who would do that now only time is going
to tell who actually did this um but you
can see a flex on either side if I'm
honest the person probably with more to
gain is zalinsky doesn't mean he did it
but it does mean that it does give him a
pretty big card to play to say hey like
we've really got to push back against
this and uh that's the world that we've
always lived in I do not want people to
think that's somehow a new world this is
the world we've always lived in this is
how uh these games are played people
will the Nazis did things against
themselves uh the US goed Japan into
attacking us so that we could enter
World War II um this stuff's just real
people do this kind of thing all the
time people talk about January 6 that
there were some number of FBI agent
inform or um people faking they were in
Disguise but they were actually in the
FBI trying to rile people up to get them
to attack the capital so these things
are real people do this stuff all the
time so going back to the nordstream
pipeline who blew it up we still don't
know but
uh many things bound many conspiracy
question I have is you said earlier that
um Trump said that Putin wants peace and
he was like no I don't no no no I'm
saying if if it was Putin that dropped
that it is entirely possible that his
play is to say um either no I want to
continue being aggressive I want to get
what I want but this is Tom
prognosticating this is not Putin
actually saying that no but you said
Trump said that Putin wants peace yes is
he saying that as a manipulative tactic
or he really believes it well according
to Trump they had a private phone call
and um Putin said said I want the war to
end now that doesn't mean that Putin
yeah of trump of course I want the war
to end but I'm going to get all of
Ukraine so as soon as they hand
everything over peace um we don't know
yet or at least I haven't heard anything
out of Putin's Camp yet about what this
is so I don't know I only know what
Trump said about it he was pretty brief
and just said that yes he wants peace um
you said something earlier which is a
little heartbreaking for me as a Brit
because when I was in England growing up
the thing was America is the land of the
free you go there to dream big and be
able to execute on that dream but you
mentioned it earlier that Dems are
actively calling for censorship on
Americans yeah this this is crazy to me
uh play this clip look let me tell you
something I'll take a bit of umbrage
here I'll speak on behalf of my
colleagues I think I can say we are all
willing to work with anyone who's
serious about doing the work of
censoring the American people and
advancing progress
that's right but they are not serious I
would love to tell you so I watched the
whole speech from beginning to end and I
would love to tell you that in context
that line meant anything other than
censoring Americans it doesn't that's
liter literally what uh she's calling
for ah yeah I am uh I am scandalized by
people's lack of fear of being censored
and how devastating that is because that
is the thing that ultimately it just
leads to being crushed from the top down
or in addition to that surreptitiously
being manipulated through things like
all the back Channel stuff that people
were doing with the algorithms of the
social media companies through covid and
this is exactly how you make somebody
like Brett Weinstein become radicalized
and uh be told that he's crazy and he
doesn't understand one of the preeminent
uh evolutionary biologist of our time
and just absolute Insanity uh the exact
person you want trying to sift through
the data of the stuff not that he knows
the answer but that he knows how to use
the scientific method to get to the
answer but you need to allow people to
speak and so yeah it is super bizarre in
this moment to watch the two sides go at
each other from hey we need more
transparency we need to audit we need to
see what's going on and then other
people going the only way to get
progress is to censor people it's uh it
is a gross ignorance of History how can
they convince themselves that's a good
idea oo okay so steel Manning the other
side uh it goes like this oh people I'm
sorry for repeating things but they are
true you have to understand man is
political animal okay what does that
mean that means that you have a wide
array of human beings with a wide array
of opinions a wide array of knowledge a
wide array of intellectual
capacity given that that is true and
that there are extreme Logistics to be
taken into consideration if you want to
run what's known as a direct democracy
so imagine you say Tom this is so simple
just ask the people what they want let
them vote why do we have to why do we
have a representative democracy that's
dumb don't have Representatives we live
in the digital age you were just saying
like all these records should be digital
why don't we just make it everybody's
got an app on their phone to vote for
this that or the other and then you
realize that people won't do it that
they don't pay attention to the news
they're not informed um if they hear a
headline they don't read the actual
thing they're not making decisions for
themselves uh people manipulate because
manipulation works and so you have this
uh mass of people the vast majority of
people they they just want to be in love
we're recording this on Valentine's Day
they just want to be in love they just
want to raise their kids they just want
to do a good job at work they want to
play some video games they want to go
play pickle ball like they they don't
want to think about this stuff they
don't want to deal with it or they don't
have time they're working three jobs and
raising kids by themselves they don't
have time for this stuff it's not even
that they don't want to it's that they
don't have the energy to do it okay so
that is just a reality to be faced so
even if you put an app on everybody's
phone they're not going to be educated
on the topics they're not going to have
time most people won't show up for the
vote even if you make it as simple as
humanly possible and so now you're even
in a direct democracy where you're just
saying vote on everything you'll get a
small group of people that do the
research that do the voting that try to
sway the public all of that so there
there is no way given the architecture
of the human mind to get direct
democracy to work plus with all the
people voting on all the things you're
you're going to be pulled in a thousand
directions so what people have realized
through the course of human history I'm
talking from the dawn of man is that
there are always going to be a few
people at the top and those few people
are going to give you a story and that
story is going to help you understand
you your country your role in your
country what a good person looks like
what they do and this is why when people
look at say the US versus China it's
very jarring because China is a very
different cultural story than America
now we're all humans but we have these
wildly different stories and when you're
raised under one story or the other you
begin to form a frame of reference that
allows people uh internalize this idea
your frame of reference controls both
what you look at and what you see it it
controls more of your life than you
could possibly imagine
and by telling those stories you can get
people to look at certain things you can
get them to you can control what they
look at but you can also control what
they see when they look at it and
because of that truth the people at the
top who have sad to report often higher
intellectual capabilities um they have
often more financial means so they have
the ability to pay attention to this
stuff and they certainly have the
temperament for it and they construct
that narrative now a more just naked way
of saying it is they spin things to get
you to see the world the way they want
you to see the world and so how do they
convince themselves that censorship is a
good idea because it works and so by
censoring people as long as you're the
person in power what do you care unless
you have the moral connection to like
every human life is sacred then what we
we've got a billion people in the
country why I mean this is Mal right
we've got a billion people why not kill
a 100 million to make sure that the
other 900 million have a better life if
you don't have the empathy of like but
that's those are real lives those are
real tragedies every one of those people
that you starve to death or murder in
the most heinous way like that that is a
a tragedy of just Epic
Proportions if you don't have that you
go to the you got to crack some eggs to
make an omelet you got to break eggs to
make an omelet and that's how they
convince themselves that we're right
we're just doing these things will lead
to Utopia which it never does because
humans are far too complicated for that
um but that's how they convince
themselves and so imagine if you really
really believed you were right and
you're really going to lead people to
the promised land how many people would
you be willing to kill and unless your
answer is zero then you end up in a
weird position okay that explains why
she would say it thank you for breaking
that down why would me let's say the
average citizen why would I agree to
censorship like that seems so crazy to
me that's like hey whatever you think
you shouldn't be able to say how has
that convinced me it's like an every
person why would someone vote for that
okay this frame of reference so it comes
down to what I call and the team is
begging me to come up with better
branding on this it's what I call the
dumb voter problem ask somebody Point
Blank you have a voter who's too dumb to
make an informed decision and they're
going to vote for Donald Trump uh what
should you do with that person and
that's where you get people who are like
you can't let Trump speak you can't let
him reach into the minds of people that
are too dumb to realize that that he's
lying to them that he's a criminal like
that's going to be their thing now to me
the only right answer to that question
and obviously I'm not saying that person
actually is too dumb I'm saying when
somebody believes that person is too
dumb uh what do they want to see happen
the only right answer is you must allow
them to vote you must allow them to have
a voice because you can't let anybody
decide who's too dumb to vote or who's
too ignorant or too manipulatable or
whatever uh because again you go back to
authoritarian rules the only way to stop
that is through force all right well um
free speech right now still exists and
in America in America yes thank you
basically only America but people are
freaking out over the speech that Jamie
Diamond say Jamie Diamond Jam Diamond
did um that was leaked and he is the CEO
of Chase and we have a clip of it let's
show that that is not it that is not it
Jamie D from home not clip that yep a
lot of you were on the [ __ ]
zoom and you were doing the following
okay you know look at your mail sending
text to each other about an [ __ ] the
other person is okay not paying
attention not reading your stuff you
know and if you don't think that slows
down efficiency creativity creates
rudeness and Stu it does okay and when I
found out that people were doing that
you don't do at my goddamn meetings you
you go to me with me you got my
attention you got my focus I don't bring
my goddamn phone I'm not sending text to
people okay it simply doesn't work and
it doesn't work for creativity it slows
down decision- making and don't give me
the [ __ ] to work from home Friday works
I I call a lot of people Friday they're
not a goddamn person you get a hold of
but here are the problems okay and they
are substantial okay which is the Young
Generation is being damaged by this that
may they may or may not be in your
particular staff but they are being left
behind behind they're being left behind
socially ideas meeting people in fact my
guess is most you live in communities a
hell of a lot less diverse than this
room every area should be looking to be
10% more efficient if I was ready to
depart with 100 people I guarantee you
if I wanted to I can run it with 90 and
be more efficient I guarantee you I
could do it just I could do it in my
sleep and the notion these bureaucracies
I need more people I can't get it done
no because you're you're feeling that
request that don't need done your people
going to meetings they don't need to go
to someone told me to approve some his
wealth management that they had to go to
14 committees I am dying to get the name
of the 14 committees and I feel like
firing 14 chairman of committees I can't
stand it anymore now you have a choice
you don't have to work at JP Morgan so
the people of you who don't want to work
at the company that's fine with me I'm
not I'm not mad at you don't be mad at
me it's a free country you can walk with
your feet you know but this company we
could have set our own standards and do
it our own way woo all right as a
business owner and someone that used to
be an employee um so let's not forget
that how do you feel about that he's
right and there's just no two ways about
it and I don't expect what he said to be
popular but it's so accurate that uh
this is one of those I wish there was a
way to run an experiment to make
somebody run a company for a year and
put their house on the line that if you
don't get this right you lose your house
like all of a sudden it just cuts
through all the [ __ ] and the reality
is work from home is wildly inefficient
humans are way better when they can
overhear each other when they can just
walk into a room and have a a quick
conversation people getting bogged down
in meetings and all of that stuff it it
is not only deeply inefficient but it is
going to be the downfall of a lot of
companies in the AI age they are just
not going to survive you have to be lean
you have to be mean you have to be
aggressive you have to understand that
business is a competition and so people
want business people want business to
basically take care of the employees but
you cannot take care of the employees if
the company goes out of business and
that's the thing that I think people are
super blind to because they don't think
of it as a business because he even said
like the efficiency of it if we can do
something with 90 people instead of 100
at least for me my business brain goes
sometimes you have to make those
decisions to keep the company alive you
have to keep the the p&l Align so if
it's not you end up shutting down the
company no one has a job yeah um so do
you think that this is just a difference
in mindset between entrepreneurs because
guaranteed every person that I know that
owns a business would agree with this ye
yes it's not just that though you will
get people that are hungry and they
really want to do something awesome
they're ambitious and so people in that
position are probably going to hear that
and be like yeah that resonates with me
like I'm here to win I want to be a part
of something that matters I want to go
there a really um interesting story of
an engineer that was working for Elon I
think at
SpaceX and um he was burnt out and he
quit and goes and works somewhere else
and I think it was the um the author
that wrote the biography I think and
comes back later and sees that guy that
had previously quit because he was burnt
out and he was like why'd you come back
and he was like uh I went to another
company and I was bored out of my mind
and I realized that I'd rather be burnt
out than bored and so there that's not
necessarily somebody that's
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