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welcome to the Future everybody open AI
has dropped its 03 model Tesla's latest
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freaks me out with more drones a lot
more and Eric Weinstein fires a warning
shot at the government for lying and
incompetence around the drones over
Jersey plus no more tampons in the men's
room at meta and watch to the end
because this childree loudmouth is going
to pop off about bad parenting you won't
want to miss the chance to Flame me in
the comments drew it it is off to a
start today first we wanted to cover
some information coming out of DC um
there's been a lot of misinformation so
you're talking about the crash the plane
crash yeah so all this is alleged we're
still kind of gathering information
again I know there was kids and things
involved with this plane so we're not
here to call speculation or anything
like that we're just covering this but
um Nick sorer retweeted this video and
said 24 hours before an American
airlight flight collided with the
Blackhawk that's what we were talking
about another American flight had to do
a a last minute like course alteration
and you can see by the satellite video
he was about to land turned around and
looped around and that's the exact place
where the crash happened so we're
starting to speculate that this isn't a
one-time thing this is just the one time
the worst case scenario happen they're
they're running in the red already for
reasons that we don't yet know obviously
we're well aware of the speculation
that's happening on X uh not going to
join in that until we get some sort of
Investigation as to what actually
happened uh and then we'll come back to
it and see what's up we'll get an update
very very interesting um but there was
there I'm going to take it you know me I
like to push the limits a little bit
we're going to hit truth social and you
know that's a a very interesting uh
rabbit ho to go under and Trump
retweeted this is one reason why our
country was going to hell and he's
retweeting both Elon mus tweet about the
Biden and FAA uh Administration that was
there before him he actually said this
is why our country was going to hell I
thought you were uh paraphrasing okay
president of our country president of
our country he retweeted a couple posts
for the New York Post and this is
everything highlighting the faasa FAA
diversity push all the way to
highlighting people who are cognitively
different so I just want to kind to take
a step back because there it seems like
there's this Nuance where people talk
about Dei and it's kind of like code for
other people it's code for people of
color it's code for women um a couple
years ago it was CRT it was woke and it
seems like every kind of presidential
campaign we have this word that is this
is why our country is bad because you're
putting this blank policy in there
what's kind of your take with this Dei
rhetoric especially when they use it to
kind of blame tragedies and things like
that that's happening recently wo okay
so I am a huge proponent of Competency
and I think that if people read every
time somebody talks about competency
they read that as a dog whistle they're
going in the wrong direction that does
not mean that there aren't people who
use it as a dog whistle uh but the easy
way for people to I think calibrate
what's going on in somebody's mind is to
ask the following question um I believe
it was the New York Phil harmonic if
it's not exactly that it was another
musical entity forgive me but um they do
blind auditions meaning that they pull
down a curtain and the people that are
performing they do their audition behind
the curtain so that the people judging
the music cannot see anything about them
they don't know if it's a man woman they
don't know race color creed nothing they
just know how well they play now that to
me has always been yeah I want to get as
close to that as humanly possible I want
make sure as just a selfish capitalist
that I can figure out who's going to be
best for my business so when I'm hiring
that's all I'm thinking about are you
going to be amazing at your job are you
going to make this a better place to be
and I'm perfectly happy to just judge
based on my ability to ask the right
question to elicit the right response to
see if this person actually knows their
job okay some people hate that because
it means you could end up with all um
male people from China you could end up
with all whatever fill in the blank and
if they're the best at that thing that
you're looking at then that's who you
should hire so personally I'm not
interested in seeing uh any sort of
quota met I just want to know who are
the people that are going to be most
competent so that that's the calibrating
question for me when I reach into to
somebody who's saying hey I think this
is a dog whistle we literally ran this
before we started rolling uh we had
somebody here on the team that was like
Hey that really feels like a dog whistle
to me and I said cool let me ask you
that question and she was like no I love
that and so I'm like word as long as we
can agree on we are just trying to
figure out who is most competent now I
must pop in my VHS tape on please
educate people please educate people
because you can create these horrific
feedback loops where because things
break along class uh and that right now
in America we are wildly dysfunctional
in that you'll find a lot of people of
color in lower economic strata and so
they are getting brutalized by the Ed
ation system which they don't need to be
school choice school choice um but they
are right now and so that's all going to
get caught up in this but once you
understand what are people driving
towards what is their North Star and
then kpis we can say okay by steering by
this are we getting the result that we
expected or not and if we are amazing
keep doing it and if we're not we're not
but what I find is people do not pull
their Northstar into perspective they
don't say this is the thing I'm
optimizing for because if people are
willing to say I don't care about
competence I just want a I just want
diversity I want to make sure that we're
representing in these final roles the uh
same spread that we have in the
population and this is where this this
has to be if it's not yet my most
controversial statement I think it
should be it's the one I hate saying so
much that you have to accept that most
adults are not going to change that even
though most adults could go learn to
code and all that but learned to code
became this slur and all that and it
becomes a slur for a reason because
people are willing to accept that even
though people could change they're not
going to and they're willing to say but
Tom changes too hard not everybody has
access to the bandwidth to you know
you've got a single mom who's working
three jobs she's not going to be able to
learn to code and the the more I look at
the realities of childhood development
the more I'm
like you can teach an old dog new tricks
but most the the way that the human Mind
Is Made MH most people just don't and so
the policies that I all see are all
aimed at the thing that I think is a
waste of time and energy which is to fix
a problem far too late where it is
essentially unfixable versus going to
the root cause of this now there is an
explanation that I've heard from Peter
AA forgive me Peter for dragging you
into this because he was talking about
cancer but I'm going to apply it here
and he said as an oncologist I felt like
I was scrambling trying to treat these
different Cancers and he said it was
like somebody was throwing bodies into a
river and I'm Downstream Beyond this
waterfall trying to pull people out of
the river and he said one day I finally
realized hold on a second why don't I
just go upstream and figure out who the
hell is throwing people into the river
and deal with that that is my take on
this stuff so okay my aim is competence
I want highly competent people but I am
well aware because we have been throwing
people into the river Upstream anybody
that's that's a longtime listener of
this show knows my Upstream problem is
money Printing and uh a poor education
system largely around you don't have the
evolutionary pressures of making the
schools better because you force people
to stay in the school that's local to
them rather than to be able to go to
whatever school they want to that is the
throwing of the American people the
American Youth into the river and now
instead of the downstream effect of
focusing all of our time energy
resources into pulling people out of the
river uh which I think should be done at
the local level no I don't want to see
adults suffer any more than anybody else
but I know that every dollar that we put
into that you're just never going
upstream and solving the real problem if
somebody has an answer to solve both I'm
totally here for it I couldn't be more
aggressively here for it I think the
punch line is going to be Innovation I
think the punchline to helping the
adults is going to be AI we can talk
more about that later uh but I really
really really while AI is still somewhat
of a question mark I really really want
people to go upstream and figure out
that problem
make everyone as competent as their
intellectual capabilities will allow for
when they're young and if you do that
because I'm a world stage guy I want to
see America out compete everybody I want
to do it fairly and I think that the key
is training the young so anyway
competence to me is not a dog whistle is
the punchline and I can be a witness cuz
you are a brutal interviewer and I have
no I can seen firsthand you almost made
a couple interviewers cry but you P you
mean for employment CU everybody thinks
of me as an interviewer like yeah yeah
yeah yeah guest host interviewer like as
an employee to this company I have seen
you put people through the ringer and
it's not that you're being malicious or
doing but you literally like okay you
did what at your last job okay what did
you do what did you specifically do what
was your cap so you know I don't yell I
hope usually people come in is like tell
me a time where you you know help the
coworker through a problem like you get
very specific so I can give you that
credit but taking a step back and
looking at the world at a whole there
are certain people that seem like they
don't get those opportunities so similar
to how our health meaning somebody
they're very bright they're very bright
they are competent they are compet they
were told to go to school get the degree
get good grades they did those they
check those box they got the internships
they showed up they did those the thing
that they were supposed to do whatever
they had in their control they did the
most that they um wanted they were still
certain places that they were not able
to have access to so at the because of
racism sexism discrimination we'll just
call them biases because of that they
could not control so when something like
Dei is initially announced it's not to
say that I'm going to say no to this
person who got straight A to say yes to
a person who got straight C's but
instead okay person who got straight A's
that's from the same background as 90%
of my employees let me see if there's
somebody else who got straight A's who
might be from somewhere that's
culturally different that can give us a
new and fresh take so it started good
but just like with everything I think it
just got perverse like would you agree
with that uh there's pathology on both
sides so you can um allow for Jim Crow
laws in which case that's disgusting and
evil and you're going to want the
government to step in and be like [ __ ]
that uh and then you can go too far and
so I think we're in a period where we go
too far now meaning with Dei the one
thing though I really beseech you in 20
plus years of being an entrepreneur I
have never intentionally looked at
somebody's um grades I've never looked
at what school they went to I just don't
care I believe it's my job to be able to
ascertain in the interview to figure out
whether that person is going to be good
at their job or not now this is
something I teach to entrepreneurs and
the thing that I teach is not hey pull
up their resume and look at where they
work and pull up their resume and find
out what their GPA is and oh by the way
did you know SAT scores is a proxy for
IQ figure out what it what it is like
make them take an IQ test I'm not saying
any of that stuff I'm saying you as an
entrepreneur need to understand what
makes somebody good at that role that
you're hiring for and if you're not the
right person to ask a that get the
person that is in to do this and then uh
conduct a highly technical interview
where you're asking them this is easy to
explain with like YouTube people will
often hide behind being a part of a team
and so they'll say oh I was on you know
I did this and we grew the channel by a
th% whatever and you're like oh my god
I've got to get this guy in like they
grew the channel uh what I have learned
is it's very easy to be on a team that
did something extraordinary but that it
wasn't that person that drove those
results and so I will ask some very
technical questions okay uh between
these two stats in YouTube what matters
more like um average view duration or
average view percentage which matters
more okay cool where would you find that
inside of YouTube studio now the reason
I asked that second question is it's
very different to have a take that
you've amassed by reading and watching
YouTube videos it's another to be in the
analytics all day every day and when
you're in the Analytics all day every
day you're going to know exactly where
that data point can be found and then
I'm going to ask you give me an example
a very specific example of a video that
you did that then correlated to that
metric either good or bad uh and what
did you do if it was bad to change it
and what did you replicate across other
videos if it was good so if it had let's
say their whole thing is well it's
average view percentage Tom that matters
amazing what lever did you pull in order
to increase average view percentage
please use a real video or set of videos
that you've done and you will just see
people with her and it isn't even um
what they say it's how they say it so if
somebody's like uh okay where is it in
YouTube um you go I think it's then I'm
like all right this person does not live
in analytics because if you're in
analytics you're like you go click on
this you click on that you'll find it
right here and this is how I compare my
videos I create my own spreadsheet
because you know the things in the uh
the interface of YouTube that I don't
like that person's like okay this person
actually knows what they're doing doing
and then if their logic matches up with
their technical ability you're like okay
word uh so that breaking this idea that
good grades mean smart or competent and
trading it for I don't want a proxy for
whether you're good at the thing grades
GPA um SAT scores right because my SAT
scores I got a 990 on the SATs when 1600
was a perfect score 990 1600 is perfect
that means I basically got an F on my
SAT
okay but I've done very well in life so
you would be making a huge mistake with
me if you're trying to figure it out
from my previous stats but if you ask me
right now today Tom explain whatever
whatever whatever whatever I'm gonna
[ __ ] blow your mind because I do this
day after day after day after day and I
have the results to back up that what I
know actually works in the real world
and that's what I'm looking for so uh
yeah if we could get people to
understand that competence is the thing
that matters and that there's a way to
determine competence live in person you
don't need a proxy we would be in a way
better position I feel like there has
been a lot of um reaction to these Trump
policies you know 300 executive orders
on day one has called like a ripple
effect one of them being the removal of
foreign aid and a former president from
uh Kenya had a great response uh for
this uh epidemic people the other day
crying oh I don't know Trump has removed
money he said he's not giving us any
more money why are you crying it's not
your government is not your country
country he has no reason to to give you
anything I
mean you don't pay taxes in
America he's appealing to his
people this is a wake up call for you to
say okay what are we going to do to help
ourselves instead of crying what are we
going to do
yeah to support
ourselves because nobody is going to
continue holding out a hand there to
give you it is time for us to use our
resources for the right things we are
the ones who are using them for the
wrong
things all 10 fingers of responsibility
back of yourself so even if uh a drunk
driver hit you and you now have to go
through years of physical therapy you
can Lament and you can hate and be angry
about the person that hit you but no
matter how wrong they are they are not
the one that can help you get out of the
problem and when I look at developing
nations that are saying things like that
first of all I'm like yo yes now I'm not
saying Kenya is a developing nation in
fact I think they're [ __ ] killing it
um but when you look at a developing
nation that say has had their mineral
rights um used against them and abused
and people are just in there strip
mining their nation and their response
is no no no no one's taking our raw
materials anymore if they want the
rights to our minerals they're going to
build the product here and that way it's
going to build up our industry as we
make the final product that that then is
shipped out that's somebody was like
wait a second there's things that we can
control this is bad policy on our part
we for whatever reason uh throughout
history we ended up agreeing to these
things even if it was because you really
had an evil colonizer being Ultra
aggressive it's like the colonizer is
not going to fix it for you so you're
going to have to stand up and say okay
what are the things that we need to do
in order to get going in the right track
and so yeah I love everything about what
that guy said I just think it's it's a
special level of accountability that I
didn't quite realize would come from
that person because foreign aid it's so
baked into our economy it's so baked
into our like life it's NOS have years
and Decades of like it's something
that's become so ingrained I didn't
realize that that was something that we
could take a step away from and it's one
of those things once we do it's like
wait that's actually is a good point why
are we like I know we're supposed to
help people and if the country is doing
terrible and it's a national disaster we
can donate resources we can donate uh
allocate you know help for them but I
don't know if we should have them on the
payroll for like perpetually like you
know what I mean well so now let me get
out over my skis here because this is
not something that I've looked into the
data but this is what I know about
humans and incentive systems I believe
if I were to dive into this stuff I
would find this part of the reason to
give money is to create alliances so you
give money to a nation to make them your
ally depending on where the nation is in
their development cycle part of the
reason that you give them that money is
to keep them beholden to you because
they need you it gives you leverage and
so this is one of the areas where man
when I look at foreign aid I'm just like
okay I get it but again we're Downstream
we're dealing with the people that are
in the river and even if I impune good
motives it's very different than saying
how do we structure this such that they
can do it themselves so let's say okay I
mean give them man a versus teach them
how to fish but let's make it very
specific to build a well for somebody so
they can get clean water versus creating
a um a technical track for people in
that country in the education system to
say we're going to teach you the
engineering that we were able to do this
with and then if nothing else is going
to drive down the cost of being able to
support them if you're an NGO you want
them to be able to do a lot of this
themselves you want them to be able to
Source whatever the metal the creation
of the pump engines and all that stuff
whatever I don't know enough about
creating clean water wells but if you
can educate the people there so that
they can do it themselves even if you're
going to continue funding that the cost
of the funding is going to go down down
down uh and so I do worry that I ought
not impune as many positive motives to
my own government as I do and that odds
are it is a mixture of essentially
bribing allies uh wanting to weaken
Russia um and insert other country
meaning I'm talking obviously about
donating to Ukraine uh and then wanting
to keep other countries that are earlier
in a position of weakness where they're
not solving their own problems so that I
can get whatever I want from them
because they are they're more useful to
us if they're weak it just when you're
in a negotiating position you want the
other person to be weak man and so again
I cannot speak on any individual person
and say that they do have good or bad
motives but oo boy do I think that
compassion has
a very dark side when I say that there's
pathology on both sides uh even even if
I look inside your soul and I find a
good person if you're not paying
attention to the
outcomes it it's a bad outcome whether
you meant it to be or not what's that uh
quote I feel like I heard from you like
the line of Good and Evil runs between
well so that now that's I know was about
that was like a Nazi but no no no that
was um it well he was talking about
Nazis but actually no sorry he wasn't
talking about Nazis he was talking about
Stalin stal uh so it was Alexander
Alexander Soulja niten who was in the
Googs in Russia and um he was saying
that none of us are clean of this and he
said the prisoners were the best guards
in the prison wow because the guards
would be easily overpowered so what they
would do is they would go to prisons and
be like I'm not going to torture you but
I need you to keep everybody in your
cell in line and they would W and so he
was just like even himself saying yeah
there are bad things that I'm sure I
would be willing to do put in the right
circumstances so that that speaks to
the humans are just human man we we have
not escaped
history and humans hate and kill it's
not the only thing we do but brother
that's a big part of what we do so now
that Al rthm may be largely lying
dormant in the West in a time of Plenty
in a time of Peace uh we're not a
different species than we were like you
don't have to go back more than like 170
years to be in the wild west where it
was like oh I just went and slaughtered
an entire uh Native American tribe as
many as I could get my hands on uh
because they killed one of my friends or
what am I saying go to uh the south side
of Chicago on a summer weekend and
you're gonna see the same thing it's the
Hatfields and The McCoys all over again
it it it's an algorithm in the human
mind it is an algorithm in the human
mind I'm reading a book right now oh I'm
going to tell you exactly what it's
called shout out to Mark Andre for
recommending this uh the book is called
the ancient city and it is about how we
all know about Greco Roman history but
we sort of stopped there because that's
where all the writing is he was like no
no no there are little glimpses in the
things that they wrote in the poems and
the sonnets and the rituals that they
would do around the dead that reveal a
lot about what people thought before
that time period it's crazy like where
there were times
where morality is what they call the
master morality so there's two different
morality sets that you can track through
history Master morality slave morality
so
slave morality is like Jesus Christ the
the meek shall inherit the earth uh
Master morality is dude life is so hard
if you're weak we have to kill you
whether you're one of ours or not
doesn't matter you have to die and once
you understand that algorithm is still
running in the human psyche like this is
some Walking Dead [ __ ] where it's like
you just you can't [ __ ] around the
world's just way too dangerous you're a
source of weakness weakness is a sin
unto itself and you're dead
so that's the human mind everybody
welcome and it's like and and remember
every theory is autobiographical so I'm
telling you I I am just as human as
anybody else so I know [ __ ] hiding
somewhere in my mind there is a right
set of circumstances and maybe it's as
simple as you [ __ ] uh threatened my
wife's safety or you're an active threat
to my wife's safety I know I would be
animalistic if that were the case and so
this is why I don't trust myself in
terms of like my biology is not
necessarily working in my best interest
uh so one has to be really thoughtful I
was about to beat up a 12-year-old boy
in Phoenix Arizona so I right said the
circumstances I'm guessing this relates
to your daughter yeah right said the
circumstances yeah I about had one of
those there's one good time there was a
time in history Drew where there would
have been no impulse control on that the
village would have looked at you
sideways if you didn't so yeah well
welcome to being a human boys and girls
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scaling U okay you po up bad motives and
I think that this is something that
they're trying to wrap up but it's still
kind of mysterious you remember the
drones F flying over Jersey the best
state ever created um the Trump
Administration has come out and said
that the fa and the Biden Administration
okay those mysterious drones so it was
just a trend anchor size it's cool we
all knew what was going on then Eric
Weinstein had a very spicy exchange on
the tweet on top of it he said when do
we go get so bad at National Security
that we routinely lie to our own top
scientists as if they were incompetent
morons discredit the ones who do their
jobs and promote the ones who don't
don't lie to me at this level ever again
I'm just done with these people yep and
then uh he has a follow-up that I think
is worth reading cuz this is really
where it got Punchy yeah let me just uh
read this here right there uh this is
not about personal ethics this isn't
about uh my not understanding the needs
for State Secrets this isn't about a
child's belief that we can all be
truthful at all times I get all of that
always have this is about Preposterous
midlevel natsec people who are bad at
their jobs and who have no concept of
Science and professional ethics
incompetently lying to people smarter
and more public-spirited than themselves
and then using I or DOD cover to
discredit anyone who doesn't go along
this is moronic Nat set incompetence I
want moronic Nat set incompetence out of
our science out of our data out of my
work uh he goes on and then um go to the
bottom because this is uh oh he said it
somewhere else his his next tweet was I
Want Blood Man shots fired man look Eric
Weinstein [ __ ] with him at your own
Peril like this look look and listen
Thomas I legitimately love Eric as a
person gotten to know him I uh Eric is
very generous with the the word friend I
would scream from the rooftops that he's
my friend I never want to drag somebody
into my madness I think he would Echo
that but um bro off camera this guy is
he's scary smart like scary smart
and don't
Tri with him because he will start
talking I hope in a way that brings real
transparency to things um that people
may not want transparency now the
meaning mathematically yeah if he's
right and the some of the things that he
understands have real implications for
um human existence I mean just to round
it to
something then he's the guy that you
want to include he's the guy that you
want to um invite into the tent to give
them a chance to work with government
rather than say okay if you guys are
going to keep icing people out this is
is a new era we have access to the media
uh and I'll just start talking about
this stuff publicly so I do not want to
put words in Eric's mouth I do not
represent Eric Weinstein only Eric
Weinstein represents him um but he's
clearly had enough of the government
trying to spin and try to lie and I just
think that we're on the other side of
that this just not that era anymore uh
and that really does open up this whole
thing about do we need Elites do we not
need Elites there is a compelling
argument to be made that we need Elites
to um
constrain the conversation that's
probably the right way to say it I'm not
willing to acquest to that even though I
fully accept that direct democracy is a
Surefire way to end up in a tyranny um
but it would be interesting to see how
this plays out so I hope that Eric uh
and many many others calling for the
same thing get what they are asking for
which is a level of transparency and um
drawing our best in our bright into the
governmental space that would be amazing
I would love it the most um but for
Trump or any bureaucracy that tries to
keep people out I will just remind you
social media exists and the only way to
silence these incredible voices is with
tyranny and I hope that the people don't
[ __ ] tolerate that because I don't
want to live in that world yeah and big
shout out to Eric I always respect
people who are well versed in multiple
areas where he can break down a complex
like phys like physicist equation law of
the universe and then bust out an
acoustic guitar and teach you how like
Bob Dylan Like made a chord construction
so it's just it's just like the well so
he's not one of these like crazy
scientists who like stays in his
basement all like he's rounded he could
go out he'll he'll go to karaoke do a
cover band then he'll come out and do a
three-hour podcast and talk about the
laws of the universe and I just think
people like that have that Nuance
attached in them into their character
when they are reacting like this you
should see that there's another like
they are seeing something we may not be
seeing yes yeah yeah yeah yeah and like
he said he's very uh what did you say
public publicly minded or publicly
spirited like he really does want good
things for as many people as
possible all right you ready to go into
the future Tom let's do it let's go into
the future because right in we're here
they just announced a robot vacuum um
and it's it's hilarious because we were
literally just talking about how like
not all robots would be you know
humanoid and they would look like us
some are going to have different form
factors so it seems like they have a
custom robot now for the robo taxi Fleet
um and then we also have this tweet from
Tim Urban who's talking about the crazy
drone shows that's happening in China
right
now um so like it seems like the future
is already here like we're already
experiencing some of these things it's
not even taking till the end of I uh
just shout out to Tim Urban I'm going to
be quoting this tweet until the end of
time so let this serve if I ever fail to
credit him uh with giving me this line
uh please know that this came from from
him but after growing up in the present
it's fun to now live in the future that
is exactly what this moment feels like
it is uh it's so crazy like things are
really happening fast before we move on
though I want to go back to um the
vacuum robot so people look at that
vacuum robot and they're seeing the
wrong thing what they're seeing is oh it
it's a dumb thing because it's in the
form factor of a robot uh of a vacuum
but the reality is that vacuum could be
almost as smart as a human and once you
realize inside of that you can easily
put all of AI so now you've got this
thing that can think just as well as The
Cutting Edge AI software it just happens
to be in a vacuum form factor but for
fun you've got to pull up the clip from
Rick and Morty I hope this doesn't uh
shut the episode Down but there's a clip
of Rick and Morty where the uh the robot
its purpose in life is to like get the
butter or something uh spread butter
maybe but yeah just exactly what is my
purpose you pass
butter oh my God yeah welcome to the
club pal so uh that when I saw that I
GAA out loud uh partly out of anxiety
because we are going to smarter than you
yes yes you're going to imbue a vacuum
with like this uh at at a minimum
artificial general intelligence and this
poor thing will be like what's my
purpose you keep these cars clean oh God
uh and then I mean this is why everybody
gets freaked out is there a point at
which the vacuum is like Noah bro like I
can't I can't vacuum like another one of
these we need to end world hunger I
can't just vacuum another Tesla robot
taxi so uh it's going to be interesting
to see if if AI ends up having an
existential crisis or not it's crazy to
think man we are going to find out the
nature of intelligence pretty fast here
okay how how fast do we really need to
take this seriously because we already
see Regulators not necessarily catching
up for example Italy just blocked deep
seek on um on their platforms in their
country because of you know data
protection and and kind of kind of like
what we did with Tik Tok but you can
kind of see these different reactions
across the board where some people are
saying hey we need to rapidly embrace it
the China drone show is now like a main
stay a main stay in their country
whereas you see other economies they're
like well wait we have to block it we
didn't know yet don't don't come yet
don't come yet but like can we block
this side it feels like it's inevitable
like inev because any country that
realizes oh America's not going to do
this cool I'm going to do it and if we
are able to reach artificial super
intelligence this country however big or
small will rule the world because dude
just th this is what it looks like to
have artificial super intelligence if
you're the only one uh dear artificial
super intelligence remember the
difference between uh Einstein and a
[ __ ] these are literal numbers is 2.4x
times more intelligent so if you got
something that was 10 times more
intelligent 100 times it's probably
going to be orders of magnitude more
than that but let's just say that it's
10 times more intelligent you just go uh
dear ASI would you please go hack all of
these governments you already have
15-year-olds that can break into like
FBI databases and [ __ ] like that when
you have something that is super
intelligent it it will literally in an
instance what they call fast takeoff it
will just go out and take over
everything and now we control all of
your Weaponry uh anything that's
automated we own it we've got it all and
oh by the way uh We've embedded
ourselves into every single piece of
electronics that you have your toaster
now works for filling the blank country
Estonia China whoever is the one that
doesn't [ __ ] with it and so everybody
understands that this is the problem
anything that can be weaponized will be
weaponized and weapons will never stop
like even though we have all of this
regulation around nuclear bro the the
bombs that we dropped on Hiroshima and
Nagasaki are minuscule compared to the
bombs that we ended up developing ing so
even after that when we all like H this
is a bad
idea we made them way way way bigger
there's a website that shows you like
the regions that will be obliterated by
the different bombs that we've developed
it's pretty terrifying some of the ones
that are like the mega Gigantor ones
This Is Why Annie Jacobs was like people
do not understand how dangerous nuclear
proliferation is because these bombs are
they're just so devastating dude oh man
so AI GNA be like that it's crazy crazy
man uh and then the last wrap up of
headlines um meta announced that they're
removing all tampons from the men's
bathroom a hard left from AI uh
obliterating the world I like it that's
what we're here for everybody come on we
are a variety show Drew we don't stay in
one lane wait till these guys hear me
pop off about kids they're going to love
it all right yep meta no more tampon in
the men's bathroom what's crazy is there
is no way I would have touched this 5
years ago no [ __ ] way I would bro I
got to shampoo my cat Tom you don't have
a cat I'm gonna go get one uh yeah this
is this is such a non thing for me uh
but it people people be drawing lines we
got we got my wife just off camer we're
trying to do this we want we want more
people to be characters no no seriously
hop in H give us going to pop in later
as well I was working in the other room
and I just heard tampons in men's
bathrooms and I was like that's a thing
oh wait you want to light yourself on
fire this is my wife self emulation
everybody this is what it looks like
she's going to destroy her own brand
right now we got her own okay yeah
what's what was your initial reaction
when you heard about this I had no idea
my initial reaction was why and then
someone just said of course for in case
there's transgender people so I was like
okay but then my mind went to how much
does that cost us to put into public
toilets
public toilets yeah that's another
question and I have no no no Meta Meta
Facebook
oh okay yeah that's a different story so
you're like oh never mind I mean yeah
like I think if if it doesn't damage the
the business model and you don't lose
money I think it's nice to uh help
people where they may struggle and so in
something like that I can only imagine
how difficult it would be as a
transgender person to feel wanted and
resp received and seen and so if you're
going into a men's toilet but you don't
feel comfortable it's like it's just an
uncomfortable situation so I just have
empathy so it's like yes if they can
afford it and it isn't going to break
their p&l like I think it's lovely this
is what it looks like to talk to 2016
everybody welcome welcome everybody you
just saw a glimpse into how we ended up
here I love it this is this is amazing
in all honesty I thought you were
talking about public toilet which is
then when I went to is this taxpayer
money and that's where my mind went no I
love it that's amazing so everybody we
uh we're going to try to introduce you
to more of the incredible people that we
have just off camera every time we're
filming these who do occasionally poke
their head in when they hear uh us
screaming about something uh and that
that to me is really interesting her
take of um you know this is about
empathy and all that because she has
been so outside of these debates like
she doesn't follow politics she and I
don't talk about politics like none of
it none of it none of it not even
culture stuff um also um my
mother-in-law law is married to a woman
M who's one of my favorite human beings
So Lisa and I just default to yay it's
all amazing so that's why this stuff
gets so tricky that's why I say there's
pathology on both sides like you can be
Sinister and be like [ __ ] those people
uh that's pathology and then you can be
Sinister on the other side and it's like
we must accommodate everyone everywhere
all the time and if you say anything to
the otherwise [ __ ] you burn them down uh
that's pathology on both sides so uh to
me this is just a stats game there's so
few uh transgender people full stop
period end of story that it's already
like why are we talking about this so
much um but I really think what's
happening at meta is a totally different
thing and you ended up with an activist
class inside these companies I mean in
in fact it is my understanding that
they're staging protests at meta because
of this and so it just becomes this
bigger question of what is it doing to
the culture of these companies I don't
think it's actually about the tampons
it's about like wait are we here to
build the best product or are we here to
make a um a culture War moment happen
and because meta has been at the
Forefront of
controlling the um what is acceptable
discourse because they control I mean
God knows how much of the conversation
where they completely remove politics
from their uh feed uh for a long time
they were adjudicating what could and
couldn't be talked about what was and
wasn't hate speech what was and wasn't
misinformation MH and so all of this
ends up having these downam second and
third order consequences that are in my
opinion catastropic
because humans and now way more
importantly AI ought to be and I use
that as a moral statement they ought to
be maximally truth seeking and instead
what we see is moments like this where
um people are literally not allowed to
talk about certain things in the same
way that um Socrates was put to death uh
Galileo was imprisoned I can't remember
if they killed him or not um on and on
there's all these people throughout
history that for saying something that
was true but shocking they end up
getting shut down and my whole thing is
like listen for all the people that
think they know the truth of something
please stop trusting yourself so much
welcome open dialogue and debate and let
your ideas be challenged and so that to
me is where the tampon issue becomes
interesting is whether meta has or
doesn't have tampons I literally don't
care but I care deeply about what the
employees at meta think is um okay to
talk about and that him I think he's
sending a signal to his people to say
this is a new era we're not going to be
policing this stuff and so he's now
having to find ways to push back to let
people begin self- selecting out so if I
were him I would have looked at that
moment as like well I'm going to see who
leaves I'm going to see who squaws I'm
going to see who becomes a problem so
that we can begin to identify a new era
in this culture let people know what
we're about let themselves select out
and then really get people that are
focused on driving it forward now what
that means in a public company is a
whole different question uh but I have a
feeling that's what's driving this yeah
and it it makes sense with what Zuck has
been doing recently donations to Trump
he was just on Joe Rogan so I can kind
of see a
Reawakening of him and his uh changing
discourse when it relates to political
stances so to your point I think it was
he thought he was on the right side of
history when he initially put those and
installed those in the bathroom and I
think now that he's seeing the tide is
kind of changing he's now saying well
you know if that's what you want to do
cool but we're no longer paying for it
and to your point it's a private company
or it's his company he can do whatever
he want if people don't like it they
could leave they could Revolt they could
delete Instagram um but I think
mandating companies to do something to
appease you is not the way to do it and
you should make your attention be your
protest so interesting I think the
customers should mandate what they want
companies to do now companies have to be
very wary of letting their employees
mandate what they want them to do now
this is interesting because you've got
to take care of your employees like if
your employees don't feel like yo these
guys really care about me they think
about me you have nothing you have
nothing uh and I want people to
understand like how much you do for this
show that they don't see off camera and
I am well aware that the person in your
role has to be awesome and if they're
not awesome I'm really in trouble so if
I don't make you feel appreciated for
what you do we're going to be in trouble
so I both have to take care of you and
make sure that you feel good and
everybody else but if you start pulling
us away from our Northstar as a company
now I've got beef and I've got to nip
that in the bud and so I think that this
really became a problem for them as so
many people were blindsided by the
cultural shift farle this uh all the Dei
stuff it just I think was shocking that
people didn't see a company didn't know
what it was and the employee base ended
up hijacking these businesses also you
can't not mention the activist investors
like our boy Larry Fink at Black Rock
who's now walking back the vast majority
of all the radical crazy insane [ __ ]
that he had been pushing for for years
because he realizes that the tide has
turned it's no longer good for business
we just live through something that
people will write books about I am not
kidding and seeing the culture now go in
a different direction is fascinating and
of course there's pathology on both
sides and so my hope is that we don't
just now swing so far in the opposite
direction that it just becomes horrible
on the other side we'll see we shall see
all right let's go to lighter news um
the entire like video game archive I
need to get the actual name of the
company that's like doing this but the
here it is the video game history found
Foundation has officially launched their
digital archive including is some of our
favorite video game magazines I have a
video games buyer guide pulled up but
like all the game informers they have
some you remember back in the day they
had the strategy guides where you would
buy with the game so you like flip
through like the little kid inside of me
is so excited right now because I'm
seeing some of like the things that made
me fall in love with video games I was a
big Sonic guy I had a Dreamcast um so I
just want to talk about old video games
man do you have like a favorite old one
like a retro system do I do so the game
well so came into gaming with the Atari
so for me it was like pong Space
Invaders like that kind of stuff which
still holds a very warm place in my
heart um but the game that really and
it's interesting because they have an
image of it there uh the game that
really planted the seed that has made me
a game designer is hideo kojima's Metal
Gear Solid 2 that was I remember reading
an article that said um if an ice Cube
like if you shot a glass in the game
that had ice in it and the ice scattered
on the table because you shot it that
they actually programmed ice cubes that
are alone would melt faster than ice
cubes that were together in a group and
I remember
thinking whoa that is a level of thought
into the game that is just beyond
revolutionary now when you're playing
the game you never think about the ice
cubes but just all the like you could
hide in a box and there was like all
this sophistication to the game that at
the time it came out was legitimately
mindblowing and there was this moment
where you go up against a character I
think his name was either just mantis or
pray mantis but you go up against him
and you just can't win you can't win you
can't win you can't win and my sister
and I we were there together it's
Christmas time uh I got the game for
Christmas and we're playing we're
playing we're playing and I just keep
dying keep dying keep dying and they
give you a hint and my sister was like
you have to play with the second
controller or you have to plug your
controller into the second slot and we
did it and it worked and I lost my mind
cuz he was U uh he was telepathic so
what was happening was the AI inside the
game would read all of your movements
and knew exactly what you were going to
do so it just beat you all the time and
when you plug it into the second
controller this is this is obviously
just the cue that they're taking on to
switch with they're how they're playing
the character but you plugged it into
the second one it was like he couldn't
read your mind anymore and so then you
could beat him even now that sounds so
gangster to me that's crazy and so that
was like oh wait a second this is really
becoming an art form and I remember
people debating are video games an art
form or is that all [ __ ] and no no
no video games are an art form they they
are arguably one of the deepest art
forms when you think about you're
interacting with somebody at the deepest
psychological
level and I'm not saying Candy Crush I'm
asking you to believe is a great piece
of art but uh yeah games are really
really incredible so the Nostalgia of
all this is actually interesting and
triggers a different fractal for me
which is what nostalgia's role is and
what it all means and there is one thing
that does haunt me a little bit about
this kind of thing oh let's talk about
it we're going into a moment we're in a
moment where the rate of change is so
dramatic that even kids that weren't
alive for this stuff get Nostalgia
triggered when they look at it and I
worry that Nostalgia is like a warm
shower it's a place to go and just step
out of the stream of real life for a
minute let me just be in a calm time
where things change very slowly where I
already know the outcome of all this
stuff and so it's a retreat to
safety and speaks to an underlying
unease that I think is really permeating
culture right now
and the one of the cool things about a
show like this is that people get to
watch how my thinking changes over time
mhm and I know we have a community
question coming up uh that will really
highlight how my mind is Shifting around
AI but right now I'm working with um the
pro version of chat GPT to rewrite a
screenplay so I'm not writing it from
scratch just didn't quite get where I
wanted it to get and so now trying to
push it into a deeper Zone working with
chat GPT on this has blown blown my mind
and in some ways it's increased my
anxiety and then in other ways I'm like
this is what I've been waiting for so
for 25 years I got into business it's
not quite 25 years but close enough uh I
got into business so that I could get
rich so that I could build my own Studio
only to find that oh those were the last
25 years of the art form that I cared
about meaning that the art form just
doesn't it's not going to be the same
anymore so the very thing that I loved
about it is just gone yeah and that was
like a really really hard Awakening now
admittedly I've fallen in love with
entrepreneurship and the problem solving
of it all but like that's pretty
devastating and looking at the future
and realizing I just keep hitting this
fog and I can't see past two years I
just I don't trust anything that my mind
hands me my mind hands me things that it
would hand a science fiction author and
that's interesting and it's fun to talk
about but I know it's not the true
version of what's going to happen just
as I know that uh the book snow crash
doesn't have cell phones in it and so
clearly he did not imagine the world as
it actually developed but got a lot
right around imagining uh what we would
call the internet now but this thing
that you spend a tremendous amount of
your life in MH so that gives me a lot
of anxiety that I can't clearly see what
the future is but working with AI I now
feel like my ability to Output this
thing that I care very much about which
is the screenplay has been magnified by
it's at least 10x it might be 25x or
even 50x so what would have taken so it
takes call it 8 to 12 months to write a
screenplay I'm going to be able to write
a draft of this screenplay that's pretty
radically different
in a week of like three hours here four
hours there like not just sitting down
and SP
time that is astonishing
astonishing and it's reignited my
creativity and so in the span of like a
month I've gone from oh that moment has
passed I'm not going to get to be able
to enjoy it to actually wait a second
now even as the CEO I'm able to carve
out enough time to actually create this
thing and because it still needs me at
this stage of its development like if I
just gave it a short prompt and said
write me a screenplay it'd be terrible
yeah so in that the movie darl way it
makes me feel needed so I'm like oh no
no no don't do it like that do it like
this change that hey let me I'm going to
rewrite these seven pages uh so you see
what I'm going for and then you go bro
compare what you wrote with what I wrote
tell me the differences so that I can
basically confirm or say no no no you're
picking up on the wrong thing and it
does it it is is nuts and it is so good
where it's like oh I Now understand your
pacing oh I see how you want me to
handle that character now admittedly I
haven't yet then done the next one to
see if it actually gets it or because my
big fear right now is that it is
brilliant at outlining because that I
guarantee the the work that I've done
with it on outlining is unbelievable but
it may always struggle until we get the
O3 model which is out and I just haven't
tried it yet uh so that may already
solve these problems but
it may always struggle to give me like
that final thing where I'm like yes you
really get it um so I don't know what's
going to happen I don't know if 03 is
then just going to go oh no we're back
to my existential dread because you just
go write me a screenplay like this and
four sentences and it outputs the whole
thing and now there's no sort of
creative engagement with it and so it
doesn't feel good I don't know we'll see
um but yeah that's that's my take and by
the way everybody while we're talking
about video games and Nostalgia if you
don't know I'm actually live on Twitch
four days a week playing games talking
about games and all the stuff that we
talk about here so come and join me
there we have a lot of fun let's jump
right into that if you need a question
because I kind of want you to keep going
on that so he said interesting that you
were stopping Comics because of AI is
this more because of the opportunity AI
provides to make bigger projects like
games or other things or because AI
destroys the ability to make an impact
with Comics um it is
because Comics will be so easy for AI
like that is the t-ball setup for an AI
because it's static images uh it's
really simple dialogue uh really simple
storytelling structures for the most
part I mean there are some things like U
Michael not Michael Moore um oh man I
forget his first name the guy that wrote
uh The Watchmen Alan Moore alen Mo I was
gonna make us look that one up Alan
Moore uh that is literature disguised as
a comic book so we're probably not there
yet uh we're not there yet
but your average everyday web comic like
that's just AI strength all day going to
kill it and so I had said we were
stopping that before I had this
experience with um with writing the
merry Mod script so I may be resending
that take in that I may use that format
if it isn't just a cacophony of stuff
that now you just can't get attention so
why bother yeah because that was the
other side I just expect a wall of
comics and now you're just again
marketing is the only thing that matters
uh and I don't want to play that game
because of the uh embedded part of that
question I just don't need that
intermediary phase anymore so I'd W the
comics were always meant to be the place
you explored the idea find out if the
audience responds to it so that you
could make the far more expensive thing
like the video game or whatever but now
given the infrastructure we've built on
Project kaisen I can explore those
stories directly inside the game because
it will be so so inexpensive to make so
it's both the one twoo punch of it's
probably going to be a wall of content
that I don't want to bother trying to
compete in uh and then also it's just so
much easier now so much cheaper to do a
full film like I'm GNA guess within
three years you'll be able to do a
feature film just prompting it uh
refining it refining it refining it one
person literally a feature film one
person in maybe take you a month maybe
two months but one person by themselves
within three years makes an enti higher
feature film I'm almost certain that's
going to happen yeah so that's where
this just the game is so different so
different um okay and last but certainly
not least we had this Great Exchange
inside AA Walmart I hate everything
about this oh waa whoa hey I will scream
in this whole entire store and I will
kick everything you're going to scream
yes if you don't listen to me if I don't
listen to her she's going to scream
that's what she just said do you want to
hear screen no I don't I don't want to
deal with this leave her alone this is
what I deal with she's going to scream
in this whole entire store if I don't
let her do whatever she wants to
do oh my God this is okay with you this
is why we deal with what we doal do not
go over there Amilia you don't even know
what you're getting now you're just
doing it on purpose
leave alone leave them alone I I'm done
I'm going to I'm just I I can't even go
grocery shopping with my own family
anymore this is insane I just I don't
even know what to do I really don't you
think it's funny it's not it's not funny
it's really not funny it's really not
funny I mean it's funny but it's not
funny this is crazy uh so I don't have
kids disclosure but this feels like a
game of psychology now I with full
acknowledgement that I don't know what
it's like to have multiple kids and
trying to be going to the grocery store
and manage your whole life and uh
somebody once said Tom you're running
your life on easy mode because you don't
have kids and I was like yeah I get that
certainly from that perspective it is
far easier to not have kids than to have
kids um but I will say that this person
is training that child to act like this
and the sooner people understand the way
that a child's mind works the better off
they will be the sooner people
understand incentives the better off
they will be and um she's literally
narrating to the
camera the thing that reinforces in this
child that behavior she's saying uh
she's going to scream the daughter hears
that she's saying I don't want her to
scream the daughter hears that she's
saying uh if I don't let her do what she
wants to do she's going to scream so the
little girl's going oh cool uh I just
have to keep threatening to scream be
willing to back it up if they call my
bluff and then I get whatever I want
including random detergent that I'm
going to put in the thing for whatever
reason nobody knows why uh and they let
her get away with this which is you're
creating your own problem and that is
the thing that uh she does not seem to
be aware of that this is a problem that
you're generating literally in real time
on camera I can hear you creating the
problem uh which is why the kid starts
acting worse and worse as the video goes
and that's why the mom's even saying
like you're doing it on purpose yes
she's doing it on purpose because you
just narrated out loud how to get away
with whatever she wants and to prove
that she can bully and so she's grabbing
random things to see how far you going
to let me go and if you actually buy
that detergent man when this kid is 16
she's going to be a psychopath so it
does not make any sense so one there's a
really the there's a really interesting
stat about brain development so first of
all the brain doesn't stop developing
until you're about 25 moves through
different phases uh from the time you're
born to the time you're seven the brain
you can see this um in the brain scans
that a child's brain is in a Theta state
which is very similar to the state that
they would be in hypnosis and you have
to think about childhood as the
programming phase so you and your
significant other coming together that
is the hardware phase so you decide what
their Hardware is going to be made of
but then you begin programming it
through all of the feedback mechanisms
including uh reward and Punishment and
so they are forming her map of the world
around outbursts and dramatic Behavior
get you the things that you want so
she's learning about reward and
Punishment my silence is your reward my
screaming is your punishment and she has
trained them to give her the things that
she wants but she's so young she does
not understand the second and third
order consequences of people don't want
to be around that your parents might put
up with it but other people are not and
so it's going to cause her all of these
problems down the line including just a
deep sense of dissatisfaction so uh that
one freaks me out and then when I
dropped this into our sheet of things to
cover today you said uh that you have a
particular style of parenting that you
adhere to that I would like the public
to hear about drew it was the uh the
Bernie Mach style of parenting that
children are terrorists and I don't
negotiate with terrorists so I can
remember at a very young age um Lynn had
a Outburst had a grocery St my daughter
yeah she was two or three um and it was
classic I want a candy bar no candy bar
went on the floor started wailing and
things like that me and my partner at
the time we kind of looked at each other
and just walked away and got in the
carart drove like kept got buying items
and everything left the aisle she was
just there kind of wailing by herself
and then it kind of took like 25 30
seconds then she kind of realized like
wait like where are they like they
excuse like I'm crying like it you could
kind of literally see the the mechanisms
in her brain working like oh okay that
didn't work so then she kind of got up
pouted and then just kind of followed us
and that was it so it's one of those
moments
where you you nailed it on the head it's
how you reward and how you discipline so
you create those boundaries and it's up
to you to reinforce those boundaries but
if it's empty threats and the kid knows
that they can push you then they're
going to keep pushing you so if if I
haven't made people mad enough yet then
uh let me go one step further and say
the same is true in your relationships
and there's going to be all kind
boyfriend girlfriend wife
100% 100% for sure you're going to be
shaping each other through reward and
Punishment simple as you're not going to
be hitting each other but you're going
to have a system where uh you want that
thing for me but the way that you're
acting I consider to be outrageous I
don't like that behavior I'm not going
to be around it and you both do that to
each other hopefully with kindness and
love and forgiveness and Grace and all
of that but you're creating boundaries
baby and if you're not you're going to
get a tyrant on the other side now I was
promised that will Vu was gonna make an
appearance because when we were watching
this clip as a team he said some [ __ ]
will do you have the guts to come say
that on camera I want to see let's get
cancelled by proxy come on
will this was the funniest [ __ ] I ever
heard in my life we are about to find
out if Will Vu uh is ready to face the
marketplace of ideas here he comes let's
go will right let's go all right so will
has a demeanor where he's actually
secretly pretty cocky no no no come in
with me come in going to get canceled
let's get canceled together will what'
you say all right we just played that
clip and then you leaned over and said
oh that clip um I said that is why
beating is a tool in my culture's
toolbox there it is everybody Vietnam in
the house being represented by will all
right SP your kids we're we're about to
see how Vietnam feels about uh being
called out like that but I will say that
yes my mother carried a wooden spoon
everywhere that she went if I was in toe
she once broke a wooden spoon on my ass
for the record that's kind of like a
point of Pride for me I'm not going to
lie I'm not I I just gain a little bit
of respect for you Tom I didn't know you
were kid that got a spanking my mom did
not play my mom did not play and I never
felt abused ever but there was even one
time this my mom is such a gangster
where uh she told me to do like go to my
room or whatever and I said no and I
bolted outside now this woman had time
to chase me down stop pick up a
branch catch me and then spank me with
the branch and I was like s my mom does
not play my for real I am very grateful
mom shout out I am grateful to the way
that I was raised remember everybody I
don't have kids you don't have to worry
about it uh whether I would do it or not
but o buddy yeah boundaries Drew they
are important they are important that's
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