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tragedy strikes last night in DC RFK
gets attacked in his confirmation
hearing people want more free healthcare
and AI might be the solution Sam mman is
either salty or actually like salt p in
his wounds as he promises to out compete
deep seek plus Tesla Robo taxis are
incoming doge is asking people but
offering big payouts Mark andreon rants
about Dems and Republicans face swapping
plus some really fun stuff at the end
people are going to want to collect all
of the segments today Drew but we got to
kick off with something that really is
not fun yeah tragedy struck last night
in DC Blackhawk plane hit a airline
American Airlines flight 67 confirmed
dead no survivors it was a terrible
accident I don't know if you've seen the
video or not I have you can't see it
very well up close but moments like this
I really do wish uh that I could be the
prayers side of it I actually
feel uneasily helpless and moments like
this where I can't at least like feel
like I'm doing something by uh praying
for people or whatever but truly my
thoughts go out to
everybody uh it it is absolutely
gut-wrenching you'll be thoughts I'll be
prayers um no survivors there was some
confirmed that some people were in the
river but that ended up getting debunked
regardless there's a bunch of Dei Trump
fired people I I understand you want to
get political guys but people died so
let's just have a moment let's just be
respectful of their families when more
information breaks we we'll figure that
out but definitely our hearts go out to
DC um in other news friend of the show
RFK was pressed at the Senate uh Finance
hearing he is part two happening right
now so he's he's still going it's not
like he's out the woods but there was
some spicy exchanges including a tweet
of yours how did you feel about the
hearings and the replies that like lit
this tweet up uh I think healthc care is
is a debate that really highlights the
core emotional feelings that people have
on both both sides of the issue and what
I'm trying to get at so my tweet was uh
universal healthcare will simply lower
the cost of dying if people are still
eating food that's killing them so this
is on the back of um people there are a
lot of people that really do not like
RFK and I certainly did not make a
secret of it when he was still running
he was my vote for president I would
have the the Maha movement and the idea
of making America healthy again uh still
has me incredibly excited it's something
that I really want to see happen and
this is where thinking from first
principles I think is so incredibly
important I understand the emotional
Poll for wanting to have Universal
healthare the problem is uh really
twofold one you've got the issue of it
isn't going to solve the problem it's
simply going to manage the cost of
people that are effectively poisoning
themselves and I think people need to
take the responsibility for what they
eat but people are effectively poisoning
themselves and we're building a system
to be sick care to take care of them as
they're slowly uh dying at the end of
their lives I think that is the worst
conceivable way to approach the problem
I get it it really is coming from a
place of compassion but we need to get
to root cause analysis and life gets a
lot more interesting when you can
actually identify the root causes of the
problems in your life and the the lives
of the people that you love and care
about and understanding that food from
everything that I can see coming out of
the scientific Community Food is going
to be punch line food and environmental
toxins of other kinds for sure uh but
let's just start with the food you're
you are quite literally made of the
things that you eat this is why it
drives me crazy when people say that a
calorie is just a calorie they as far as
I can tell it's because they're talking
only about the accumulation of fat uh
but that is not the only problem there
are way more um complex issues when you
take into account human biology than
just uh whether or not you're storing
fat on your body so
having somebody like RFK really pushing
into The Fray and saying we need to look
at ruka's analysis uh he's somebody
that's actually in physically good shape
so for the first time in a long time we
have somebody that we can say whoa I
want to look like that when I'm in my
late to mid to late 60s um championing
this stuff and so I want debate I want
people to press him on okay what are
your thoughts on the vaccines and things
like that um but nobody will take him at
his word like he's telling people as
vociferously as he can this is what I
think about vaccines uh my read on this
situation is he's trying to be very
clear listen I'm not trying to take
vaccines away from anybody but this
stuff needs to be tested and yes it
needs to be tested like we actually have
to look at what are the long-term
effects of the things that we eat what
are the longterm effects of the things
that we put in our body and uh given
that he has been I have watched dozens
of hours of footage of him and he is
just consistently I'm not saying not not
to have these things I'm saying need to
be studied I'm saying we need to look at
these and you can't force feed people
this stuff uh without going through the
proper procedures of testing this stuff
for safety um so I'm a little
disheartened that it seems like he's on
a Razor's Edge that they were talking
about um with Tulsi doing this stuff in
secret at least this one is out in the
public but I just don't uh I cannot
respect people that don't want to have
all of this happen out in public that
people don't want to see efficacy trials
that people don't want to see this
debated um that they want some people to
just shut up and um Force the stuff
forward that drives me nuts 100% agree I
I agree your sentiment like I love RFK
that's my guy still when I met him he
was genuine the interview was great I
did research as we set him up as well
and he his issues aligned with my issues
he's not trying to take anything away
from people he just wants to get to the
science and I think that that's
something that we don't talk about
enough how we went from six vaccines in
the 80s to Now 50 in 2020 and yet we're
twice as sick twice as uh costly it just
doesn't add up um specifically though so
people hate him because he's antivaccine
and he's skeptical of that Community but
I really want to dive into the Bernie
Sanders exchange that he had where he
asked him is Healthcare a human right
and RFK says I can't give you a yes or
no he gave an example specifically that
if somebody's a is smoking all their
life they have lung cancer they are now
taking a that they're taking from the
pool of resources that other people who
are healthy might not have access to as
well yeah all right let's grab the
through rail yeah so to your point you
you uh replied that universal healthcare
will simply lower the cost of dying if
people are still eating food that's
killing them and I understand what you
said earlier about the food but let's
talk about this health care as a human
right what do you feel about that do you
think healthcare is a human right so
somebody actually replied to my tweet
with what I thought was a a really um
wise way to look at this so if you look
at the Constitution the Constitution
says that you have the right to pursue
happiness now the reason that they would
never be so foolish as to say you have
the right to happiness is that implies
that it's the government's
responsibility to uh make sure that
you're happy and the government is never
going to be able to do that and so I've
always read this idea of you have the
right to pursue happiness as a way of
saying government needs to have a light
touch because um obviously your rights
end where somebody else's begins if it
makes you happy to punch somebody in the
face you absolutely do not have the
right to do that but the government
isn't going to step in and make it
impossible for you to pursue a life that
brings you Joy as long as you're not
infringing on others and so that idea to
me is the same thing with Healthcare
that you have the right to pursue having
a healthy life you have the right to um
let products abound of people that think
that they can make your life better
including uh the right to health care
but the response to my tweet was um that
you don't have a right to somebody
else's labor so if you're trying to make
Healthcare free you get into this weird
incentive structure now where you are
asking somebody to dedicate their life
to figuring out what is arguably one of
the most complicated things that anybody
could dedicate their life to which is
human biology which is this
insanely complex system and you're
saying Hey I want you to dedicate
yourself to that I want you to be one of
the best and the brightest I want you to
uh pour yourself into making sure that
this all works but oh by the way I want
to make sure that it's free which means
that the government now has to pay for
it and um you and I were talking before
we started rolling and I said look man I
get the The Compassion that people are
coming forward with to say Hey listen
this man's wife got cancer and now he's
got hundreds of thousands of dollars in
debt and that's horrible and she was
young and nobody knows what caused it it
was just a bad rle of the dice she
didn't do anything to deserve this
situation and so we've got to take care
of these people and my thing is you've
really got to look at whether or not
that works and this comes back to what
is the aim of your system for me I want
to live in a country that is high
Innovation the reason I want to live in
a country that is high Innovation is I
believe for the people that want a
healthy life this is going to be a um
Getting Back to Basics with food and
technological innovation so I'll I'll
just plant the seed of AI being able to
solve some of the complexities of human
biology being able to detect things in
the environment of what's actually
causing these problems testing food so
on and so forth Okay so uh my hypothesis
my thesis is that Innovation is going to
be the thing that ultimately saves us
now if you want a high Innovation
Society you have to have a light touch
government because the second you ask
the government to come in and just
regulate the life out of everything you
get these really perverse bizarre
incentives we can talk about my analogy
of the fires in LA and how that was
actually uh it's incompetent government
exacerbated by poor regulations that end
up creating that problem so okay if the
goal is to have a high Innovation
society and I'm right about a high
Innovation Society being a light touch
government such that the free market
incentivizes people to innovate because
ultimately what's happening in a free
market is people can only get you to
give them money if they give you
something that you would rather have
than the money so to remind everybody
people get rich by creating something
that the public really wants unless
unless the government steps in and
distorts that system a pause this would
be where I would normally play my tape
around money printing that is the thing
that exacerbates the rich and the poor
divide it is not creating something of
value that people want to pay for okay
so high Innovation Society is the result
of a a free economy where people can
create things that the public wants that
they're willing to pay for okay now it
becomes health insurance is going to get
better
if that's a product that people can
offer but if you step in and regulate
that like they did with the fires what
you end up saying is we don't want you
price gouging we don't want you to be
able to ignore pre-existing conditions
and that kind of stuff and so now the
problem becomes the insurance company is
no longer involved in creating a product
that people would love it's not a free
market and so you start getting these
weird distortions where they're being
asked to pay for something or asked to
create a product that's actually
terrible business okay why is this
terrible business because setting aside
the woman who gets cancer and it's
really surprising and nobody knows why
she got it so much of ill health is due
to Lifestyle it's the things that people
eat it's whether or not they exercise uh
you can look at some of the stuff that
Peter Atia is talking about one of the
the greatest Minds on this in terms of
living a modern healthy lifestyle and he
said the number one thing that is
correlated to longevity is V2 Max now
the way that you get a V2 Max is by
exercising in a specific way so if an
insurance company is told hey you you
have to take people on even with
pre-existing conditions now you run into
a scenario where the person who's
pushing their VO2 max the person that's
eating healthy the person that's doing
things that would saave off um heart
disease cancer dementia all of those
things that become just ridiculously
catastrophic at the end of somebody's
life those people are now being asked to
pay the same as somebody that is living
a life that clearly we know these things
stack up and they're going to cause just
massive increases in the cost of
healthare and I think the right analogy
is if you go out to dinner with a bunch
of friends and uh you get the cheapest
thing on the menu you don't have any
alcohol because you're trying to keep
your cost down but a bunch of other
people at the table end up having really
expensive Stakes they have a ton of
drinks and then in the end you just
split the bill evenly that is
grotesquely unfair to the person that
was really restrained and what they got
and was trying to think about keeping
their cost down and everybody gets it
when you go out to dinner it's like
that's shitty and you get mad at your
friends who are just like throwing it
into the trees or you say listen just
give me my bill give everybody else
their bill that's the free market just
give everybody else their bill and look
it is entirely possible that before the
end of this podcast I have an aneurysm
and die and my wife will be traumatized
and horrified and um if it happened to
somebody else in my family uh and let's
say that that somebody in my family has
lived an absolutely uh detrimental
lifestyle for decades and decades and
decades um should that be my problem at
to take care of that because it's my
family or should it be um socialized
across everybody in the country all I'm
saying is I totally understand the
compassion angle
and we need to remember that it's all
trade-offs and so it becomes a question
of what are the trade-offs that we want
to make I think if we right now just
focus don't don't change the system I'm
okay with that just focus on making the
system less expensive so my beef and the
reason that this is all tied to me is
here you have people that want free
health care and I'm going to talk about
AI I think AI actually is going to drive
the cost of this way way way down but
you've got people that want free health
care and they are battering to death the
guy that's like Hey we're going to do
root cause analysis hey we want to fix
the food supply hey we want to make sure
that people aren't taking drugs that are
actually making their lives worse we
want to look at the stuff and figure out
what is the root cause of Health what
are the lifestyles that make people's
lives better what are the ones that make
them worse and because the government is
involved in healthcare you just get
these ridiculous distortions yeah a good
example is like electricity companies
and they're heavily regulated utility
like monopolies and that's why everybody
hates their gas bills everybody hates
the electric company like nobody says my
water company is the best it's because
there's the only one you don't have a
choice so I definitely understand where
the government can stifle innovation in
certain industries and you're just stuck
with a shitty product my beef with
Healthcare and I think that right now I
am playing for socialized Healthcare but
only for 65 year olds people on Medicare
and you you know federal employees I'm
playing for Elizabeth Warren's
Healthcare but I if I want to have a
baby if something if I want to do
something in my life I'm stuck with the
bill so it's kind of going back to your
uh friends at the dinner analogy it's
kind of like yes I have my my chicken
while everybody else is eating their
steak and drinking their wine they're
asking me to split the bill evenly and
the person at the other table is also
like oh yeah can you uh get a salad and
put that on my bill too and it's just
like wait so I'm paying for this person
and I'm paying for this person but I at
least let me get a piece of the steak
let me get a piece of the wi like so I
think that because we're already getting
money taken out of our check for
Medicaid taking out that's where a lot
of people are thinking okay instead of
taking $100 take $150 and then now I
should be able to buy into the system or
the $100 getting taken out of my check
and the other $300 I'm paying for me and
my daughter's Healthcare let's bundle
those two together give it to one pool
and then now that's the pool that
everybody like frequents from do you
think the existing system can handle a
transition like that or do you think the
government should step out free market
completely and kind of let the chips
fall where they may drum
shook you just made me realize that a
far superior analogy is it's not you
splitting the bill evenly with your
friends it's you splitting the bill with
every one eating in a restaurant
anywhere ever uh and some people are in
a way fancier restaurant than you and
you're still going to be paying for
those things uh it's very interesting
now look we would be misleading
people uh to say that that that analogy
holds perfectly because it does begin to
break down but if you start looking at
people in a country like the UK I happen
to be married to a Brit so I see this up
very close uh my mother-in-law has um
had some
uh tremendous encounters with the UK
health system and the reality is that
anybody that can afford it in the UK has
both private and public insurance and so
when it's something that's sort of low
consequence they'll go public when it's
something that's high consequence they
go private so people are already saying
I can't trust the really important stuff
to this system and that goes back to
you're asking the best and the brightest
to flood into this system and the
reality is from access to Cutting Edge
technology like literal physical
machines you may not be able to get them
or there might be an insane weight
period which is exactly what happens in
countries where all of this stuff is
free the weight periods are very very
long it's a number system they trying to
get you in and out as fast as they can
and then the free market steps in tries
to differentiate themselves by saying we
don't have weit times um we have better
equipment we have people that will work
with you they're not trying to rush out
and get to the next person um and so
you're you're all already seeing a class
divide in the kind of health care that
you're able to get which is going to
trigger people again and they're going
to say but this isn't fair and this is
where again getting to root cause
analysis why does it end up bifurcating
like that because the reality is when
you ask the government to do something
that the private sector is good at and
government is not government is horrible
at efficiency government is horrible at
Innovation and the reason that the
government is terrible at inefficiency
and Innovation is efficiency and innov
are the result of evolutionary pressures
the free market is under constant
evolutionary pressure and we're going to
talk about this more with Sam Alman and
deep seek and how Sam is saying hey this
is actually really invigorating it's
going to force him to think harder to
outcompete to move faster in ways he
wouldn't have to if everything is just
given to him and so the way that
governmental structures work is they go
literally by force take your tax dollars
and then they're going to give them to
these systems the systems don't have to
do anything to earn them they don't even
have to show
results they get that money
automatically so all of that
evolutionary pressure which would
actually create a Better Health Care
system is gone and so the Health Care
system is never going to get better it's
going to get slower it's going to get
less efficient it's going to be less
Innovative because there's no mechanism
to drive that efficiency and Innovation
so the very thing that people want to be
given for free can't be be given for
free now there's a conversation to be
had about okay but can we at least have
some sort of bare minimum safety net
cool let's have that conversation as
long as we're not deranging the
conversation by making believe that we
can get this thing for free uh and that
it will work the same way it won't okay
do you have more push back there should
I talk about how AI may actually solve
this problem I feel like you you you
closed that loop I got you okay so um
here is the thing that was really it's
always been really jarring for me when
people ask for things for free and I
want to scream into the void that we are
all the problem none of us will work for
free and because we weren't won't work
for free we create the very thing that
we're railing against and we live in
this time of Plenty where people are
tricking themselves into thinking that
the government can just supply all this
stuff for free going back to my initial
point the more things they supply for
free the more you have Barnacles on the
turtle turtle being um a capitalist
economy that drives Innovation you start
dragging that down which is why
everybody when they go to say but look
at these other countries all those other
countries are low Innovation countries
and so there's a stagnation in those
countries now the death happens slowly
so people are like ah what do I care but
man if you care about your kids or your
grandkids in a low Innovation country
they're just going to get their lunch
eaten you get the whole problem with
America where America brain drains the
entire world and we do it because we
create these opportunities for
individuals so by doing that we get the
best and the brightest here other
countries continue to stagnate I don't
know how this plays out over a hundred
years all right coming back to ai ai is
the person that will work for
free so if AI because I know I talk
about this a lot but the cost of energy
has to go down so if um we can have
better policies that drive energy cost
down which Trump is working on private
companies are working on by spinning
back up nuclear energy but I think AI
will innovate insanely in driving the
cost of energy down
um if we can drive the cost of energy
down and a robot only cost
$20,000 which is uh Elon musk's
prognostication of like fairly near term
call five to seven years 5 to seven
years from now um a highly intelligent I
would say within years at least as
intelligent as a human perhaps far more
intelligent than a human and physically
embodied meaning it can do the surgeries
it can stitch you up it can meet you
face to face remember they're not going
to look like robots at some point in
seven years they probably still will but
you start pushing this out 152 years
which your daughter won't even be I mean
she be like 32 at that point I don't
know if you want me saying that out loud
but like
um that's really soon M and so you'll
have somebody you'll be interfacing like
this and they will just see seem like
the most compassionate the smartest
person you've ever met and they're there
physically and they can help you with
stuff now if all of that comes to pass
and I don't think I have a lot of really
Grand assumptions in that now all of a
sudden healthc care really can become
free but what was it the result of
innovation and this is why you want
these high Innovation societies when you
get the high Innovation Society now you
can start driving cost down again I get
it because a lot of people are going to
suffer right now today there's going to
be a lot of human stories you can point
to and say this is really horrible this
this family that deserve nothing but
great and wonderful things is suffering
for reasons we either don't understand
or they were in uh a lowincome
neighborhood and so they're by power
lines and they have terrible food
choices and all that stuff uh again cue
my tape about uh money Printing and
education because I agree once people
understand that this is a class problem
but that the only way that we solve said
class problem is by lightening
government regulations not increasing
them lightening the amount that we um
regulate the free market letting the
free market do what it does to create
that Innovation that's going to be the
way that we actually get people what
they want it takes time and that's why
people just are not having
it robots to save us um I mean for real
though man dude look I'm I'm really
having a moment right now
and uh boys and
girls uh I already know that if you're
if you can hear my voice right now
you're already the kind of person that
is hungry for information you're curious
all of that but please just tell
everybody you know to spend as much time
with AI as they can it is a super
learning device and the fact that people
can get access to this stuff for like 20
bucks a month I mean a better $20 never
spent unless it is literally I can't
afford to eat or uh it's the $20 goes to
food or the $20 goes to
AI I put put $20 towards AI it it is it
is truly unbelievable how rapidly you
can learn and that you have a partner
with you to help you do whatever it is
that you're trying to do yeah it's crazy
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now now let's get back to the show well
you brought him up earlier Elon he had
his uh Tesla earnings call last night
and they announced two things first the
launch of their Robo taxi business on
June uh June 2025 and they're going to
Pilot it in Austin Texas and they're
starting production of their Optimus
pilot robots so the humanoid robots that
they debuted a couple months ago um to
start production in 2025 now whether
they'll hit households then that's still
you know Elon kind of Misses deadline as
you said um and then also Sam Alman the
tweet that you brought up before you go
to that did you did you see the robot
that I sent you
I put it in the dock I I I think it just
sort of fell outside of what we're going
to cover today but briefly I will say
that there is a robot now that has been
given a circulatory system it has all
206 bones of the human body it moves
like a human because it uses water to
articulate its musculature using tendon
and ligament like things it is crazy how
uh humanlike this thing moves and when
you look at it without its skin it
really looks like you're looking at a
human body it is nuts now this may not
end up being the right form factor we
might find that specializing form
factors is really the play that when you
go to the doctor's office you don't want
a humanoid robot stitching you up you
want like a stitch machine stitching you
up um but in terms of mimicking the
human capabilities it's getting crazy
like it has the ability to be really
gentle and its grip whereas actuators
and things like that it seems like
they've had a harder time controlling
that stuff um because they're using
water it's just it's crazy man they use
water in the way that the human body
uses blood and they use it like the way
to contract the muscles it's crazy crazy
that's crazy so do you think to the
foreign Factor question because that's
interesting that this first wave of
robots is going to be kind of Novel like
you know they're going to be humanoid
just to kind of have humanoid but the
second layer is then going to be Stitch
Bots uh constructo Bots that are like
dump trucks with arms that look like
spiders or something like that like
we're going to start seeing those type
of specialized creations for sure yeah
so I want to give people one of my
favorite math
equations uh there is a an IQ definition
for a [ __ ] it's something like 82 or 83
their Einstein was
2.4 times smarter than a [ __ ] like by
literal IQ definitions okay so from
[ __ ] where the um government won't even
take them to be Canon Futo to get shot
at because they just create more
problems than they solve to the person
who gave us the deepest insights into
the fabric of the universe is
2.4x I want you to imagine a world where
there are billions of entities that
are 10 times smarter a thousand times
smarter maybe a million times smarter
like I If just think about 2.4x gets you
this insane difference I only need you
to believe in 10x and it's already you
just can't even begin to Fathom what
it's going to do but if I'm right that
uh scale in the training models plus
efficiency in the um inference on top of
the models is how you create artificial
super
intelligence I don't see any reason to
believe that we're not going to see just
a runaway train of intelligence and so
then it just all bets are off
everything's free not just Healthcare
literally everything everything
everything but again just to beat the
drum that is a gift of innovation it is
not a gift of Regulation 100% and we're
Taxation and we're definitely seeing
that um with uh Sam maltman's tweet deep
seeks R1 is an impressive model
particularly around what they're able to
deliver for the price we will obviously
deliver much better models and also it's
legit invigorating to have a new
competitor we will pull up some releases
but mostly we are excited to continue to
execute on Research Ro map and believe
more compute is more important now than
than ever before to succeed at our
mission the world is going to want to
use a lots of AI and really be quite
Amazed by the next gen models coming
this is my favorite part looking forward
to bringing you all AGI and Beyond so
AGI used to be the thing that we
whispered about is it going to happen it
seems like S mountain was like all right
I was taking my time but if y'all want
to talk about deep seek let let's step
on the gas like let's do it dud I when I
read that tweet the image that came to
mind was this really mild manner nice
guy reaching inside his coat pulling out
a [ __ ] gigantic gun and cocking it
like oh you want to play Let's go I've
been holding these models back because I
was afraid of freaking you guys out like
if you think deep se's got some [ __ ]
deep seek is riding on the back of us
[ __ ] and I'm about to melt your
face with what a real like set of
compute and training model can do and
this this is what I was saying when we
did the Deep seek episode is hey it is a
big question as to whether or not
companies continue to invest in the
training models because you can only
draw so much inference from a model that
already exists if the model has a flawed
vision of what the world really is and
then inference can only draw intelligent
things from a flawed model it will do
great I mean think about Newtonian
physics right it allowed us to do a lot
of stuff uh but it it is incorrect
einsteinian physics allowed us to do a
lot more than Newtonian physics but we
know it's incorrect so if we can keep
training these models to get smarter and
smarter so that the inference the
ability to uh be very efficient in the
um connections that you draw from that
the knowledge that you draw from that
model of the world um if that onew punch
is on this sort of runaway flywheel it
gets really crazy and that what I love
about that tweet is he's saying no we're
going to keep investing in the
underlying models we are going to
continue to train training is going to
be more important and look I'm speaking
like a Sci-Fi writer right now not
somebody who's deep in the science of
this but I just really really have a
feeling that he knows something along
the lines of the following you have to
train these models on the underlying
physics of the world they have to
understand chemistry they have to
understand um particle physics they have
to understand quantum mechanics like all
of that stuff and once they do now the
inference that you can draw from that
becomes crazy because like people will
say human psychology is going to be the
hardest part of this to map it's just so
so so complex
but it is knowable like your brain is
doing a thing based on the way that it's
wired the way that it transmits
neurochemicals the way that it deals
with electrical impulses the way that
your um sense sense organs interpret the
world all of that stuff all of that's
knowable and so once it knows all of
those things it can say given this exact
moment in history uh that ad will impact
these people in this way and obviously
that's just me talking from the way that
I Perce the world but uh it'll be able
to do this drug is going to have this
effect on this person that's probably a
far more universally interesting way to
look at it everything will be n of one
um it will be uh able to uh your toilet
will have sensors on it so my wife who
struggled with um digestive issues the
toilet will read her microbiome every
time she uses the bathroom uh and then
it's going to tell her you need to be
eating these ingredients at exactly this
time based on the last blood sample and
stool sample that we have from you uh do
exact this and it will there will be all
kinds of sensors probably even sensors
that we ingest that are living inside of
our bodies that are just like uh CGM is
giving a constant blood reading these
are just going to get better and better
and better we'll be kicking off all this
data people can squawk about privacy in
the feed um but dude it it's really
really really going to be this
incredible Brave New World so I have as
much if not more anxiety around what AI
is going to do to the world that we know
right now but I also know if we can get
over what I'll call eternally pockets of
violence yeah on the other side I think
that there's a really good chance we
have a world that is just unbelievably
cool wow wow it's interesting to kind of
see all the hope and the possibility
that's happening in the future um but we
had a interesting blacks blast from the
past so I want to set this up for you
really cool all right so everybody knows
that do is out here they're trying to
become more efficient so Elam Trump
announced that they're giving a
eight-month severance to all the federal
employees that don't want to return to
office there was some uproar on Twitter
people thought that it wasn't a good
idea and then Mark andreon friend of the
show we love him I love his tweets
lately I don't know if you guys he's so
fun man he's so good um he he is one of
the best follows you can do hands down
get on your boy he went down a crazy
Rabbit Hole yesterday that had me
captivated so everybody's trying to
cancel these guys for Doge and giving
federal employees uh
severances when he brings up a '90s
example when President Clinton sign
legislation today intended to help
reduce the federal Workforce by about
273,000 people over the next 5 years by
offering buyouts about the 25k to
employees who leave government and then
he kind of tweeted this Reinventing
government reducing Federal headcount
reducing federal spending making the
government more efficient and efficient
for our citizens mainstream Clinton Gore
Democrat progressivism in the 9s but
it's techn fascism now I think that was
a very kind of ju position how do you
feel about time Democrat policies that
we used to love now somehow turned
conservative this is why I want people
to distrust themselves we all have
architecture in the human mind that
makes us want a tribe up and it's it's a
bad play so in the 90s Democrats were
for the things that now Republicans are
for but they can't see past the fact
that they think of themselves as a
Democrat and so anything Republicans do
is bad and vice versa Republicans are
going to look at the Democrats and all
they want to do is dunk and say these
guys are morons and all that [ __ ]
they're all just a bunch of woke
nonsense it's like for [ __ ] sake
you've got to take each thing one by one
and say is this going to get me the
outcome that I want most people don't
even take the time to define the
outcomes I get it life is complex it's
way easier to just be like my tribe
tells me to think like this so I think
like this but wo it this tweet storm
just shows once again that's not the way
to approach it the way to approach it is
why was it a good idea then versus now
now I looked into this thank you for
flagging it for me by the way um I
looked into the actual document that
Gore had published about how to make the
government more efficient and hey it
sounded a lot like the things that I've
been talking about which is you need
kpis he didn't use the word kpi but it
was very obvious that's what he's
talking about uh and you need to see
based on metrics whether the policies
that we put in place are actually
working or not and the fact that people
totally divorce themselves from what are
the results is this going in the
direction that we want yes or no if no
do something different based on your
assessment of the underlying cause and
effect that led you to this place
thinking from first principles uh so
yeah it was really fascinating to see
huh this used to be a Democrat position
and now is not which by the way should
get everybody to realize the
following
Democrats fought get ready for slavery
Democrats that's nuts and it was the
Republicans led by your boy Lincoln who
was like hold on a sec this is [ __ ]
egregious and absolutely terrible now
how many times have they flip-flo back
and forth I don't know but why did they
flip-flop because they look at the other
party winning and they say what's the uh
what in marketing you would call Blue
Ocean what's the thing that they are
underserving that I could go do that
people be like yo I'm for that so the
Democratic establishment Wing becomes
this ultra um I don't want to use
inflammatory words they very much
Embrace money in politics they very much
Embrace their relationship to
corporations and so Republicans great
irony if you're my age Republicans go oh
then we're going to be for the working
class that's exactly how it flips and it
will flip again and as soon as people
the Democrats see uh that blue ocean
that white space that's being left
unattended by the Republicans then
they're going to swoop in and and do
their thing and offer it there and at
some point they'll Flip or move into
another Rel Rel ship but the tribes are
all pointless the tribes are all
pointless it all comes down to people
want Power read The Mach of Ellens
people want Power they will strive to
get there they will strive to keep it
and when they get there they strive to
expand and once you understand that it's
like Oh They'll lie they'll twist things
to remain in power everybody everybody
this isn't a left or right thing um so
the
demarcation of there's left and right
which which I've explained many times
call it compassion and responsibility as
that split but then you have
establishment and populism shout out to
our boy Jen yuger for um making that one
clear for me and once you understand
that sort of
fourway breakdown it starts to become a
lot clearer are you for the entrenched
Elite or are you for the masses and
that's establishments entr trenched
Elite populace is for the masses I think
not to go backwards but I think that o
triggers the RFK like nomination uh
Senate confirmations because a lot of
the people that are pressing them so
hard are talking for their donors and I
don't think they're talking for the
American people the guy that wants to
ban red 65 I don't think is the guy that
you need the Press like the person
that's saying let's not bankrupt the
pharmaceutical companies that's when you
have to start kind of asking those
questions but that's that's being care
if a company goes out of business it
means that people don't want their
product look as a guy trying to run a
company I wish people really cared
whether I went out of business or not
but man that isn't the play that is not
the play the play is if I'm not winning
in the marketplace I'm like huh I'm
doing something wrong I am not either I
have a product that people want but I
don't know how to make people aware of
it or I don't have a product that people
want and I need to address said product
uh yeah nobody should care about whether
any individual company goes out of
business or not that's unless the
government is paying the company to
operate then well so dude now okay are
we going to fractal into this this is
probably a separate thing I set you up
can can I just shout out to everybody
out there guys did you know this shocks
me to my core the
FED In Cahoots with your own government
started buying corporate bonds as a way
to inject printed money into the
system that that's like Marching In the
Streets bro that's like what the [ __ ]
are we doing that is the government
deciding what companies live and die
that's nuts what is happening yeah I I
am a ghast that that's going on but it's
just complicated enough that I mean one
I still don't have a full picture of how
all of this works I'm well aware of that
rule number one don't trust thyself that
is a uh very much an autobiographical
comment uh but two I know that the vast
majority of humanity will just they just
don't have the time or the inclination
to build a mental model of all the ways
that they are
being manipulated sandbagged I it's it
is immoral it's immoral so crazy let's
cut throw it out here we'll get back to
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all right let's let's get in lighter
news let's let's make our people smell
again let's do it let's have some fun
everybody GTA 6 is being announced
everybody's been waiting for this game
for the last what six seven years we
said yeah I think uh when I last checked
in on it they' haded been developing it
for six years and that was probably six
or eight months ago yeah it's got to be
got to be pushing seven there's rumors
though that it will not be the usual
price tag uh Asma gold broke this down
in a video that dropped a couple hours
ago well they're trying to figure out a
way to get people to pay more money for
games because basically the price for
video games hasn't really changed in the
last 15 years but inflation has so the
problem is that as video games have
become more expensive to make they can't
increase the price of the games which is
one of the reasons why they add in
microtransactions and also like there
have been elements of of gaming like for
example distribution that's cheaper now
but you also have Steam for example so
instead of spending 30% on of your money
on like packaging and sending it to
GameStop now you're spending 30% of your
money on Steam okay so uh I am a simp
for video games let's start with that so
I could not be more biased um
I I am really excited to see GTA six now
admittedly I don't play GTA partly
because it's literally you just go
commit crime to make money and I get why
as a game you need some sort of engine
where you can just go do things um it's
not an engine that speaks to me but
whatever put put that aside it's not
going to be a play style that impact
Theory develops but uh whatever it's a
video game um I one have no beef with
the games getting more expensive because
you don't have to buy GTA like if you
don't want to buy a game that's that big
from a World building perspective then
go play something else but it is my
understanding that they've already spent
a billion dollars on the game I've heard
rumors that it's actually two billion
dollar I don't know what's true but it's
a lot it's a lot and when I think about
how much we've put into our indie game
dude dude game development for now ai
will decimate that but game development
for now is ridiculously expensive and so
what they're saying is listen we're GNA
take a huge risk put a billion dollars
or possibly two billion dollars at risk
to build this incredible game for you
and you don't have to buy it but if you
do you're going to get access to what I
have a hypothesis will be an
unrivaled game in terms of its scope and
just the things you're going to be able
to do inside of it and so no no beef
whatsoever now I also have no beef with
microtransactions I don't like pay to
win and I will never play a game that's
pay to win it's just not interesting to
me but I don't understand people who
think that it's morally incorrect that's
why I I cannot wrap my head around it no
one's forcing you to play that game like
if you don't like games like that go
play other games and this is where it's
like if people stop playing those games
then the
game companies will respond to your
incentives so it is because people play
them that you're going to keep getting
more of that now I'm captain
microtransaction I love it the most now
you're letting me control how much money
I spend in your game so um project
kaisen has microtransactions right now
we're free to play will we be free to
play forever I don't know we'll see uh
partly just responding to culture gets
what culture wants so if they're like I
don't care that you're uh the only way
that you make money is Battle pass and
skins which are entirely optional and I
don't have to do at all I hate you for
doing it well then we'll stop doing it
but um I can't wrap my head around why
that bothers people so I admittedly in
in a position where this is not
problematic for me but I've spent a
laughable amount of money on skins
inside of fortnite but it brings me joy
I love it and I can play without it I
don't have to um the game is free so
they're literally saying you pay what
you want you don't have to pay any more
than that uh yeah I cannot wrap my head
around people's beef of that and that's
my whole thing is that
I appreciate the development in GTA can
get away with it but this is going to be
like a a market altering move where when
the first video game does it all the
other AAA video games are going to
increase their price to 100 sure I'm the
same way though I have fortnite I have
probably I bought one skin and I was
cohors by my daughter on like Christmas
Eve to get it so I've played I probably
paid 50 60 hours of that game and I paid
14.99 so to me I'm winning that's
perfect I'm good I yeah like I'm I'm out
of it so I am very much play like you
shouldn't have to pay but I'm even
looking like let's take a step back from
GTA let's take a step back from fortnite
the market itself though seems like
video games are getting cheaper cuz play
to um pay to playay used to be the
standard and now there's all these freet
to- playay games and the top five or six
games if you look at like the uh
streaming chat the streaming channels
and things like that Minecraft I think
is like $10 now fortnite is free Destiny
was expensive that's free Now Call of
Duty has a free option so there are
these other games that they're realizing
like okay we could give you the $70 $100
polish package but here's a freet to
playay online version and a lot of
people are now migrating to that free
online option so is it just one of those
things that there's going to be two
games that you get for 100 and then
everything else is going to be free or
uh here well so what will the pricing
model be the pricing model will be
they'll charge as much as they can in
the marketplace for sure without
enraging their customers because whether
it's logical or not if people feel some
kind of way about them charging $100 and
they rebel against the game and it f s
then they're in a terrible situation and
so it's one of those I can rail against
the way that people feel as much as I
want it doesn't matter people feel what
they feel they're going to act the way
they're going to act and I have to dance
to that tune and let's just be very
clear about how markets work the market
has all the power so if they refuse to
buy something for whatever reason they
decide to do it then people are going to
change their behavior um the thing that
I think people are bothered by is people
are so aware that marketing is
ultimately manipulation marketing is
getting someone to feel what you want
them to feel when you want them to feel
it that's marketing and once you
understand that it's like oh wait a
second I'm going o I understand your
psychology I know what you want and I'm
going to frame things in such a way that
you're going to feel exactly what I want
you to feel when I want you to feel it
uh people don't like that and so they go
here's my beef with microtransactions
Tom you are creating a sense of fomo and
that's how you're getting people to buy
it and so then I'm like so wait are you
saying that you don't think people can
think for themselves like I don't
understand and they will say yes people
can think for themselves and this is
evil and scummy and now I'm just like
but you understand they're going to do
the same things to get you to spend the
$60 or $70 or now $100 to play it so
marketing is how we feed the Innovation
economy um I definitely aggressively
believe that Innovation is the right
play to make people's lives better as
close to un
as you're going to get so anyway this is
people that I think halfway think
through something and then they uh have
an emotional reaction they trust their
emotions and they just go ham are you
getting GTA 6 oh of course all right can
I borrow your copy when you're done then
sure $100 save let's go go all right and
last but not least on this segment on
this uh today's news of dating is trash
number
79 um everybody loved this segment so
much so I had to bring something else up
so this I just found was funny deep seek
uh this deep seek prompt somebody says
when your date send you the simplest
message so they put hey with two e and
deep seek broke it down okay the user
wrote hey with three e that's a friendly
greeting maybe a bit informal I should
respond in a similar tone let's keep it
casual and welcoming maybe add a smiley
to match their Vibe they might be
starting a conversation so I can ask how
I can assist them today keep it
open-minded to encourage them to share
what they need help with avoid being too
formal use some emojis to keep the mood
light make sure the response is warm and
approachable hey there smiley face how
can I assist you today and for the first
time I feel like AI understands me and
this is why I got off the dating apps
cuz I felt like that first text I didn't
know how to respond I was thinking too
much and um yeah so thank you deep seek
for validating me and validating all
those people that don't know how to
respond when they're person on the
dating app makes a first move that's
hilarious my favorite response to this
tweet was oh so deep seek overthinks
even faster than I do I was like I like
it yeah cuz that that is a very deep
response to uh hey but what I is it
technically has two e and deep seek is
like it has three e uh so completely
miss that here is the the fun of AI
is I think we already talked about this
this is so fascinating to me that we are
ultimately going to send our AI
representative to speak to their AI
representative to find out if there's
compatibility that is going to derange
things so hard uh which is why get out
in the real world of all the places uh
where you want real world interaction
it's here uh in in the world of dating
because ultimately this is um part of
what makes relationship so great is
ultimately about a fluid Swap and like
dude sending AI like not being able to
think for yourself that that one feels
like a bad play get out there take the
risk now use it as a coach I love that
behind the scenes like hey I'm thinking
about this out or the other uh it will
give you extraordinary advice for sure
and getting in back into the realm of
Sanity where we realize men and women
are different and so it's like okay wait
a second how would a woman see XYZ like
if I could have asked it hey uh I showed
up with custom written poetry and
flowers on the first date and she didn't
seem into it I don't understand like
what's wrong uh and it could have spared
me a lot of pain and suffering because
oh boy was that a terrible way to go
about it and I did it several times
several times dude I once just a clown
of myself uh uh I once wrote a
poem anonymously where if she just read
the first word of each line it said who
I was or gave her a clue that would make
it obvious who I was uh and gave it to
her she did figure it out by the way and
was mortified and I never got that date
just just by way of like how terrible a
strategy this all is um yeah so AI could
have saved me a lot of pain and
suffering Drew is is doing a search as
we speak literally asking hey I show up
on the first date I still want to know
what it says uh I I showed up on the
first date with custom poetry and
flowers what do you think of this
strategy let's see you got to zoom in
this is an ey test okay here we go
that's a bold and romantic move it shows
thoughtfulness effort and creativity
which can be really attractive however
it also depends on the vibe of the
person you're meeting some people might
find it incredibly charming and
appreciate the gester no no they won't
While others might feel overwhelmed if
it's too much yes that is correct also
they think you were soft soft uh a good
strategy is to read the room if you've
had great conversations before the date
and there's already a sense of
connection which there wasn't it can be
a big plus uh if it's completely blind
date not quite that bad uh or there's
not much Rapport yet start with
something a bit more casual engaging
their response first might be safer how
did they react okay that was a good that
was a good terribly terribly want this
chat I would be like bro you are
gaslighting me we both know this is a
terrible strategy so uh this is where
you have to train your AI because it is
going to give you a blend because this
is where you realize that AI at its
current state is simply telling you the
most common answer out there online it's
not dealing with the physics of the
situation uh but you could train it to
like really zoom in on hey I want you to
think about this from the perspective of
the difference between men and women
what makes men successful blah blah blah
uh and if you get good at prompting you
will be shocked to your core at how good
chat will get at uh giving you high
utility answers yeah I found propped
engineering is good and like giving it
context so I literally have like one
prompt that's all like how to fix my car
stuff and it's a bunch of like so every
time I go in there it has all the
previous contacts like oh yeah you did
this reper later you should do this and
watch out for this so it kind of
compounds on itself the more you talk to
it to that point yeah no doubt all right
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