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you brought up Tik Tok what is really
going on with Tik Tok What should we ban
it is it a Chinese spy device like how
should we be thinking about that no uh
the campaign against Tik Tock is 98%
uh we definitely should not ban
it it would be a massive violation of
the First Amendment uh the government
has no business doing that I the Supreme
Court should have never uh allowed it I
mean the Supreme Court's so out of
control like that's another soapbox
another conversation I think the Supreme
Court has ruined this country and you'll
be surprised if you're rightwing to hear
me say it's the activist judges that
ruin this country and so but what you
don't realize is that they're activists
in on behalf of Corporations and they've
they've given them every advantage and
the average American no Advantage so it
drives me crazy anyway when it comes to
Tik Tock they say oh we're worried that
the Chinese government can get our
private
information so we're not worried that
Zuckerberg can get our private
information because he has the same
exact access from meta and you know
Instagram Facebook so we're not worried
that Elon can have our information he
has the same access as Tik Tok does on X
right so wait are we worried about the
private information being in the hands
of X Y or Z or are we not worried about
it no that's not what this is about
there's there's a couple of the real
reasons for the Tik Tok band number one
and this is not speculation and it's not
a conspiracy theory Mitt Romney told
Anthony blinkin and Anthony blinkin
agreed it's on tape and we've shown it
several times on The Young Turks he said
yeah the Israelis used to be really good
at PR I don't know what happened and now
now they're losing the pr battle so
that's why we got to go after Tik Tock
and I was like I can't believe he just
said it okay so and there's been and the
ADL put out a statement saying there's
all these things that are pro
Palestinian and only the small amount
that are pro-israel so Tik Tok a real
problem no brother that's not a problem
the problem is that Israel is
slaughtering the Palestinians and people
are upset about it and they're making
normal videos and they're showing it the
problem is that you can't control the
message anymore and it's driving you
freaking crazy so the real country that
is has a much larger factor in Tik Tock
is not China it's Israel so and you have
to remember Netanyahu is a war criminal
despised by the whole world and deeply
unpopular everywhere including in Israel
and our you know 80% of our politicians
give him standing ovation after Standing
Ovation why APAC poured in hundreds of
millions of dollars to buy our Congress
Washington is occupied territory they're
not going after Tic Tac because of China
they're going Tic Tac after because of
Israel but that's not the only reason
secondly and Scott Galloway made this
point I got it from him and I think it
was a real brilliant point I hadn't
thought of it
before there's a huge regulatory
overhang over Tik Tock meaning that his
price is artificially
depressed by about 25% you could dis
agree or disagree on the percentage but
you get it why because the government is
constantly threatening to ban it once
that regulatory overhang is lifted it's
going to go up about 25% in value that
is at a bare minimum $10 billion at a
bare bare bare minimum right so at the
minute an American corporation or a
wealthy American buys it they make 1020
billion do overnight so every ameran
corporation which again Washington's
occupied territory they're owned by
corporations every corporation say oh
yeah China's a real national security
threat hey you guys all do business with
China you guys all sell cars and all
this stuff and you import stuff well if
it's such a national security threat why
are you doing business with them sh no
no no no no no no they got to sell it
they gotta sell who should they sell it
to me yeah that's what I thought that's
what I thought so it's a giant scam for
some Corporation or wealthy person in
America to make an unbelievable amount
of money plus it helps Israel to ban Tik
Tock so that's the real reasons now
let's say that it was a um an Israeli
owned company and they were pumping in
pro-israel content would it make sense
to you then to say hey this is a foreign
National that owns this we think they're
using it to manipulate our youth would
you then agree like yo we've got to get
this out of foreign ownership wow what a
wild hypothetical were American Media
companies might be on working on behalf
of Israel I just can't wrap my head head
around it I that's every other Media
company in the country it's not because
they're owned by Israel it's the group
think again Israel is our beloved
special Ally blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah that's why shut up
and give me your money I got to send it
over to Israel okay and we've been doing
that we've now sent 300 billion dollar
to Israel Jesus Christ when is it enough
so I don't want people to go down a dark
path and blame religion or anything like
that and get into conspiracy theories
it's just simple logic if you allow
for complete bribery you're gonna have
complete bribery and what I can't I I'm
amazed that other knucklehead countries
haven't figured out what the same thing
Israel does you've got a Chinese
National here you got a Saudi national
here they're American citizens right but
they originally came from or they just
relate you know empathize with Saudi
Arabia or Peru a country right and you
just get them because they can give
unlimited bribes to American politicians
thanks to the Supreme Court you get the
give the them $200 million and then they
give the politicians $200 million and
then you own this country Peru can buy
America any country can buy America
Israel was just smart enough to do it so
I mean I I don't hate the player I hate
the game right so now to your point
though to the core of what if a foreign
government was doing XYZ but if people
really had that legitimate concern and
that was what was driving them then
wouldn't they be concerned about all of
the pro-israel money going to buy our
actual government forget a company that
might have access to some of your
information they have access to the
entire United States government they
have been bought Lock Stock and Barrel
so if you actually cared about a foreign
influence all the Russia people right
the MSNBC and Rachel matter oh Russia's
going to control us and in 2016 they had
4 million tweets so I had other problems
with Russia and Trump but I was like I
know they didn't coordinate because
Roger Stone tried to find out
information about whether the Russians
had hacked into Hillary Clinton if they
were coordinating he wouldn't have tried
to find out that information right and
then the government came in with oh they
had four million their propaganda had
four million impressions on Twitter I
was like that's Tuesday for me like wow
big Russian interference right
meanwhile Israel's pouring in hundreds
of millions of dollars to buy our entire
Congress and it was like I don't see it
I don't see it the real problem is
Russia the real problem is China no
they don't mean a word of it so
if you but okay even so you say all
right what should be what should we do
because China does have access to that
information we think potentially
although the servers are actually in
Texas
so okay then why don't we have a rule
that that applies evenly and fairly to
all the social media companies so if you
say hey the owners of Tik Tok cannot
access this or cannot use the
information for that right then have it
apply to Facebook have it apply to
YouTube have it apply to X don't tell me
no everybody else can get your private
information do whatever the hell you
like with it but only Tik Tock can
because I'm concerned about China no
then do fair and even rules for everyone
what if the fair and even rule broke
along the lines of
um uh if they're a foreign company and
we are in I don't know what standing
they would put it in but I consider us
to be in a cold war with China so I may
be simply the person that is um totally
into that cover story but when I heard
that I was like oo that's actually
interesting I think the next 10 years
are really going to be like the 80s with
us and Russia uh and especially given
the weakness of the dollar because of
all the printing China is a pure
competitor economically uh they are in
their own region probably militarily
stronger than we are not globally but in
their region uh so it seems to me that
there is certainly reason to be
thoughtful about somebody that can map
everybody's face uh that can influence
them with an
algorithm um but I'm not sure where I
fall on the Tik Tok issue and my whole
thinking is all about the China
connection not I'm not even thinking
about Israel no I hear you and look so I
don't want people to get obsessed about
Israel I'm just saying this one of many
factors in it shows the hypocrisy right
but um but Elon Musk can have the same
access and he is the largest donor
to the president of the United States
that seems to also be a giant problem
but we say oh no since he's an American
the problem disappears it doesn't really
we're just choosing not to focus on that
we're choosing to focus on Tik Tock so
on China I'm not in the same place you
are I'm a realist about China uh but I
don't think we have to go to a Cold War
a hot War we don't I don't know why
we're constantly talking about the
military why do we why don't we just
have an economic battle with China why
do we have to have a military battle
with China hopefully that's all it ever
is yeah I don't want like why are we
demagoguing why are Chinese Communist
Party they're not communist they haven't
been communist in a long time right so
uh they have centralized planning but
they have these giant corporations that
are making tons and tons of money
everybody's getting rich in China now we
got a middle class so do you throw
Communists in there to rile people up oh
they're the evil enime and stuff look no
they're looking out for their own
self-interest they're very good at
looking out for their own self-interest
we have to be clear eyed about that and
I think a lot of politicians before
Trump and this is one of the things I'll
give Trump credit for
he's actually you know negotiating on
our behalf and he's using our leverage
and he's pushing back so that I like and
I've been you know and I call that out
on on tyt as well so if you said China
comes in and goes all right I'm gonna
give put these tariffs on you and I'm
going to support my industry by pouring
in this much money into my industry and
then we're going to dry Pices down and
then we're going to bankrupt you and
then we're going to take you over well
then you do exactly what they do you
mirror image I'm not saying don't worry
about it I'm not saying they're not a
competitor I'm not saying we shouldn't
respond to their unfair practices I'm
saying why don't we just do the same
exact thing back at them without
escalating without talking about the
military without demagoguing and Etc
just kick their ass economically right
and and let's have a real battle and and
I believe in America I I don't I think
in the long run China's not are not
really our top competitor at all I think
look I maybe this makes me more of a
capitalist than than the average right
winger or whatever the labels aren't
that important but I believe in
capitalism and I think centralized
planning in the long run is a terrible
idea in the short run it can be
spectacularly successful as you know
China just showed with Incredible growth
uh in a tiny amount of time that's what
centralized planning is great at but
over time it breeds endless corruption
and endless wrong decision because
you're not using the wisdom of the crowd
yeah right you you and anytime you have
a gatekeeper making decisions it's
always wrong I wrote an email to my
friends in 1998 saying online video will
beat television and that at that point
online video barely existed say that's
very preing and then we started Young
Turks to do online video back in 2002 we
were the first YouTube Partner long was
running internet show why am I telling
that in the context of of China because
the reason I had that belief was because
I knew that The Gatekeepers in
entertainment were not very good at
their job and that it's that the wisdom
of the crowd would always beat The
Gatekeepers and what I realized is in
online video there aren't going to be
Gatekeepers especially at least for a
long long time and the wisdom of the
crowd is going to elevate the best host
right and give you the most compelling
content and that turned out to be true
same thing for China versus America
their centralized planning might do
great in the beginning but it'll fall
apart and their biggest Advantage will
turn into their biggest disadvantage our
actual competitor 50 years from now is
India India has enormous energy enormous
entrepreneurial
Spirit uh there it's a beautiful and
disastrous chaos right it's got huge
upsides huge downsides within that
chaotic energy in India but India is
going to rise up and be bigger than
China and be our real competitor that's
my opinion that's gonna be interesting
uh talk to me about the sigil herd
around the world from Elon Musk how do
you read that uh goofy signal dog
whistle no so I don't think he's a Nazi
I don't even think it's a dog whistle
but I I do think it was intentional I
think it was trolling uh it was a
spectacular case of trolling he wanted
the attention Elon has decided and it's
not an in necessarily an incorrect
decision that the most valuable
commodity in America is attention and
that's why he massively overpaid for X
because he was he wanted it so bad
because he understands it has the mother
load of the commodity that he wants
attention and so what are we talking
about after the inauguration we barely
talked about the executive orders we
didn't talk about Trump speech at all
but we are talking about what Elon did
okay and when you troll you build in
plausible deniability oh I was touching
my heart oh you know I'm a little
awkward and so here I can prove my
credibility because I've defended the
right-wing actors before when like Laura
Ingram for example raised their arms at
the RNC and people like oh that looks
like a Nazi salute I'm like guys anyone
who raises their arm at any kind of
angle can look like a Nazi salute she
didn't she didn't do a Nazi salute that
wasn't even close so in this case though
man he snapped that thing I mean that
was right out of 1930s Germany and if
that was an accidental autistic moment
of
exuberance holy coward a coincidence
that it turned into something that looks
identical to the
sigy Nazi salute right so I think what
is more logical and likely is that he
thought about it and he thought if I put
my heart in fact he does it twice if you
watch the second version of the clip so
he does it to the crowd that's the one
that everybody sees and then there's
another video where he turns around to
the people behind the podium and does it
again and Anna and I disagreed about
this on the young TRS but I the way that
I saw it he didn't put his hand on his
heart when he did the second one and he
forgot that he was supposed to do that
for his excuse so after he appointed the
second time then he put his hand on his
heart right and so I it's I nitpicking
that particular part but overall I think
it
was epic trolling not in a good way you
don't don't do that you don't need to do
that you don't need to do that what what
do you all right you've got enough
attention for God's sake it's enough
right so but I know people get super
touchy about it oh and in fact I said
this online got attacked by both sides
okay why because the right-wing tribe
says you said Nazi you are everybody
always calls us Nazis I hate you this
he didn't do it he didn't do it
he he was just all my heart my warm
heart it was about all right guys if you
believe it God bless your heart okay and
then the left wing said what do you mean
he's not a Nazi what do you mean he's
just trolling he's definitely a Nazi if
you don't call him a Nazi you're you're
on the rightwing you that's it we knew
it you love Trump and you're giving Elon
an excuse and you're not calling him a
Nazi when everybody knows he's a Nazi
that's so interesting to me to me it
really did just look like like this
super awkward guy doing uh like heart
version of a blown kiss I I had no idea
like I watched it didn't even make my
radar had no idea and then the next day
saw the huboo about it very very
fascinating our frame of reference
controls not only what we look at but
what we see yeah Tom I say one last
thing about that no one actually knows
right the only person who knows is Elon
true so if you say and I got into this
debate on Piers this morning if you say
hey Jen you're reading his mind but
you're also reading his mind no 100
right you're reading and I'm not saying
you in particular I'm saying the people
who think he that he he wasn't doing it
on purpose I am for sure yeah they're
saying I assume he had good intent I
assume he didn't mean to do it to get
attention and I'm assuming he did it to
get attention but we're both assuming we
don't know we're just going based on our
experience our perspective and what it
looked like to us no doubt
tomorrow the president is going to get a
briefing from the CIA on his desk what
should be in that
briefing that's a great question uh it's
it's going to be uh a different briefing
than it was yesterday which is it goes
without saying but at the same time what
we're