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if you had to explain to somebody how
you make political decisions I'm trying
to get to that the core beliefs and
values what is it that you use to think
through these things oh I like that
question and I particularly like that
question right about now where every day
on my show as I start every show I say
we're just in the racehorse portion of
it now right it's like he said this she
said that and we're just caught in that
it just kind of is is the nature of
reality of where we're at in the news
cycle as it relates to the election so I
like stepping away from that for a
moment I mean my my
main I would say the main driver behind
my politics and really what drives me as
a person is that I want equal rights and
equal protection under the law for all
people I do not care about your skin
color I do not care about your genitals
or your gender identity or any of the
other immutable markers that
unfortunately identity politics has
thrust upon quite literally every
portion of society and has infected all
of our institutions and all of those
things uh I want Lady Justice to be
blind and I would say fortunately I live
in the United States of America which
for all her flaws uh we've done that
thing pretty well and in the spaces as
we talked about uh when I was with you
in La just a couple months ago in the
spaces where that was not perfect say
women could not vote or black people
people were slaves or Japanese
internment all of the things that have
been historically wrong in the past the
Arc of justice has always bent towards
more Justice and we have freed more
people so as it as it stands in America
right now we have uh individual rights
for everybody there is no law that I
know of that discriminates against
anyone based on the color of their skin
or again their genitals their gender
identity Etc and that is what I'm always
going towards I want the light
Touch of government I you know I'm not
an anarchist I like I like I love
discussing things with anarchists I
don't know if you've had Michael malison
or you know him he's sort of my favorite
Anarchist of the moment you know I love
talking favorite Anarchist he's
everybody yeah I always say he's the
Willy Wonka of politics um but I love
those ideas like I love the idea could
you completely deconstruct everything
basically and have people sort of in
some version of a Mad Max thing not gone
completely arai I don't think it's that
realistic so I believe in the light
touch of government so anyone anyone
basically that's running for office that
doesn't want to use government as the
crudel over everything that really wants
to talk about how to empower you to live
the life you want uh that's what I'm
interested interested in I would say
that is very few and far between as it
becomes as we talk about politicians
these days even forgetting the
presidential election it's like most
politicians come in because they say
they want to give you this or help you
with that and as Ronald Reagan famously
said the nine scariest words in the
English language are I'm from the
government and I'm here to help so
anyone that wants to kind of get out of
our way but have a realistic
understanding that there has to be some
structure to organize us that's what I'm
interested
in all right that makes sense so if you
want a light touch of the government um
what exactly is a government designed to
do well not that much actually I mean
you would just have to look at the
founding of the United States and our
constitution the government's not really
supposed to do that much the federal
government really is supposed to do very
little I mean the federal government in
essence is supposed to make sure that we
have borders the federal government is
supposed to make sure that the states
aren't Waring with each other uh and
then almost everything else without
getting into a full history lesson is
really kicked back on the states that
the states if it's not explicitly laid
out in the Constitution then the states
are basically supposed to do everything
else uh which which is why a lot of
people would argue against uh federal
income tax for example there's all sorts
of other ways we get tax that you could
fund all sorts of federal projects um
but I would I would always argue for
more local control over everything uh
look you live in Los Angeles I live in
Miami uh there might be things that you
want to pay taxes for in Los Angeles uh
that I don't want to in Miami and we
should have that variance you should
have the ability to kind of move around
the system and some places can can have
legalized marijuana and some PE places
won't some states now that we've
reversed Ro v Wade uh which even though
I'm begrudgingly pro-choice the the
initial decision of roie Wade to
federalize abortion I think was very
faulty uh judicial decision so I even
though again I'm uh begrudgingly pro-
choice I am for it being kicked back to
the States um you can decide you have
this constant test okay if I put you
know eight-month abortion if that's at
the top of my hire of importance of
where I'm going to live well then you're
not going to live in Florida where we
have a heartbeat bill by the way I live
in Florida with the heartbeat bill and I
think it's too extreme but it but it
doesn't fall at the most important part
of you know at the tip of my hierarchy
of important issues it could for
somebody else so the government actually
isn't supposed to do that much it's
supposed to protect life liberty and the
pursuit of happiness it's supposed to
make sure that we protect property
rights and that you know we have some
basic things like competent policing and
I would say you know very very light
regulations as it pertains to safety
issues you know that are that are across
the board be a building safety or
environmental safety but actually not
that much certainly not most of the
things the government's doing these
days what are your thoughts about the
debt debt is not good I would say the
simplest way to put it this way is just
turn on any mafia movie that you've ever
seen or watched The Sopranos or or I
mean literally go through Good Fellas
Casino etc etc whatever your favorite
Mafia movie is in essence once you owe
somebody something and for example right
now we owe China an awful lot one day
China is going to call in the debt right
they're going to call it in they're
gonna say okay you guys got to pay us
back or get on some kind of plan to pay
us back this is what happens in every
Mafia movie and when the guy can't pay
it back eventually you break his legs or
you take him out to new Yark New Jersey
and you shoot him in the back of the
head and you leave him in the swamp and
that bizarrely is the situation we're at
in America right now I don't think
there's any serious person in America
that I've heard of at least that thinks
we can actually pay off the national
debt we we're borrowing on top of
borrowed money constantly this number is
just getting completely out of control
and the only thing in a weird way that
keeps us well not only allows us to do
that but Keeps Us somewhat safe while
we're doing it is that we have a bigger
Mafia than the Chinese at least at the
moment right we have a bigger set of
weapons a bigger Army uh and at the end
of the day that it's a game about power
um but ultimately if you look the basic
version of it and you can do this a lot
better than I can but the basic version
is if you keep borrowing money from at
some point and then you're only
servicing the debt then your own money
in that's running around your economy
will ultimately be worth less and less
and less that's kind of where we're at
right now and I don't know what happens
when China calls in that
debt yeah so um by way of quick how I
think that actually plays out China's
never going to call in the debt they're
going to ditch their uh us Holdings for
sure they already are the thing that on
the debt that I hope people really take
home the government will um they'll
never not pay their debt because they
can print money because we have the
world Reserve currency the problem is
printing money is a euphemism for
stealing money from you uh in a way that
leaves the same number of dollars in
your bank account but it's still uh they
steal your buying power we'll we'll
derail on that really fast uh I'll I'll
avoid the uh that that's the thing for
me that is if I were going to be a
single voter issue and I'm probably not
I probably have a couple more issues
than just that but the debt for me is
the biggest the debt is the thing that
will create the big terrifying crisis as
it has all throughout human history
um or at least since we started doing
debt but yeah well real quick on that
because you're right we can we can do
this one all day and and you're
definitely more um more of an expert in
this than I am but in essence what
people don't realize it's like there's
nothing sexy talking about debt right
there's nothing like being like I'm
going to pay back the debt or we're
going to reign in government it's a very
hard path to win an election by saying
that so when when every now and then
nobody really says it anymore but you
and I roughly the same age and 20 30
years ago people there were politicians
there were presidential candidates there
were Senators Congress people who used
to say boy we really do have to reign in
spending it's not it's not a government
revenue issue it's a spending issue
right it's not that the government just
needs more money like even now it's so
absurd the idea that Camala Harris is
pushing you know in essence that will
raise the federal uh rate at the top
from whatever it is now 37.5 to 39 as if
okay if they get just a little bit more
off that 1% that that's going to solve
anything it's completely completely
insane but it's a lot easier to say that
and have most people be like yes take
more from the rich than to be like oh
actually the government is completely
inefficient at almost everything they
build buildings at three times the cost
of what anyone else might do they build
affordable housing at triple the cost
the you know they they spend $10,000 on
a toilet like all of the things that we
all on top of the wars and all of that
stuff we all know government is
inefficient and everything but nobody
really wants to look at I would say the
one guy probably in the Senate that
still is you know yelling about this
stuff is ran Paul but obviously he's a
very minority person in National
politics now both from where I'm sitting
both Harris and Trump are they have a
terrible track record from a spending
perspective how do you think through
that if this is a big issue if the debt
is a big problem what do you do with the
fact that neither of them are uh good at
being tight with budgets yeah I mean I
would basically say Cala is probably
just worse in that almost all of her
policies are about expanding government
even just this morning we played a clip
on my show where she's already talking
about we're gonna have to study
reparations well that just means taking
more money from some people and giving
it to some others and it's like boy if
you think that that's so morally right
then why aren't people just voluntarily
doing it everything they do is you know
why do they want public school they want
all of this money always pushed to
public school is it because they think
public education is so great or is it
really because it's just sort of a blant
a giant bloated thing in cahoots with
the teachers unions and also kind of
keeps people dumb so I'm not going to
sit here and tell you that Trump or any
other Republican is great when it comes
to the debt or spending but I would say
in almost every case the Democrats will
be worse that's that's a very sad
reality look the best way I can explain
that and anyone uh watching or listening
to this I think will get it is I live in
in Florida Florida has no state income
tax we have roads that are clean and
clear we have fabulous policing
throughout the state uh we have
Environmental Protections that are
better than most in across the country
even though everyone thinks Republicans
hate the environment or something and
you live in California where you have
high income you know you have high
personal income tax you're at the top
rate I used to be there myself it's not
that fun writing that check and the
question is is that money being used in
any functional way I would argue and I I
bet you would agree with me on this when
I lived in La putting aside the reasons
that I left which mostly had to do with
covid and crime and things like that
it's like I didn't leave because of the
taxes I got here and then it's nice to
look at my bank account and be like Oh
I'm saving all this money and I live in
a safer place or something that's nice
but if I had still lived in La not too
far from you and I was paying all those
taxes and the services were great
meaning the public schools were great
Public Health was great the roads were
great infrastructure was great they were
building things properly it was safe etc
etc I actually would have had no problem
paying those taxes uh Peter teal I I
he's definitely said this to me
privately I'm sure he said it publicly
he always says um I'm I'm a Libertarian
because none of it works and I think
most people if most people if we had a A
system that just kind of roughly worked
or at least that we believed worked more
people would be will would gladly pay
into it but don't show me a system that
really doesn't work for anybody which
you know largely the blue states have
and then also tell me I still got to pay
in more I think that's kind of the the
tension that we're feeling right now
here what I think is um the more
distressing read on the situation is
that it all does roughly work like
America uh is great it's still as far as
I can tell and I've been all over the
place it is still the place to be now
you're starting to feel some energy
picking up in the UAE I will tell people
that but yeah um it is right now I would
say it's the place that everybody wants
to be and the death will happen slowly I
think elon's U vision of this is lilip
puchan tying you down one regulation at
a time is the right way to think about
it um I also think Gad sad has really
identified the problem and the problem
is um suicidal empathy so there's
something about the human mind where
what's driving all of this is to me
there there are two things that people
really need to think through if you want
your prediction engine to be functioning
well people really do want good things
for other people and they do not like to
see people suffer I think that is baked
into the human animal and then also
baked into the human animal is a Will To
Power and so when you put those two
together you get the populace clamoring
for you cannot leave these people behind
you can't do it when it's me you can't
do it when when it's my mom my dad my
cousin my neighbor down the Street who I
love and care about you just cannot
leave these people behind and then you
get other people that are like oh word
this is my opportunity to seize power
and I'm going to leverage people
clamoring for that and their
misunderstanding of the way that um yeah
governments work which I don't mean this
in a conspiratorial way but when you
think of it as a deep State I think that
gets more to the
um I don't even want to use the word
corrupt it it is like mold is isn't
corrupt but it grows on everything and
you get that same thing like there's
just all these this tendency for the
government to get bigger and bigger and
bigger and for people to fight for their
jobs and I understand it but when you
put those things together you get this
cycle of uh you can either start at the
beginning or you can start at the end if
you start at the beginning it's hey we
like America we have these hopes and
dreams uh we want to build something
we're going to use freedom to do it um
we understand that there are risks
Associated we try a plan for all of that
but over time the government just gets
bigger and bigger on the way that
barnacles grow unlike a sea turtle and
all of a sudden the turtle can't float
anymore and so you will end up with
something that ultimately crumbles under
its own weight and then another spot
will rise up in its place uh just like
America did and took over from Great
Britain yeah well in in that you just
said that and I agree with I think
probably every word you just said there
I would qualif if what I said about none
of it works the teal line about none of
it works to to sort of just add one
piece which it's not exactly that none
of it works it's that we're realizing
how little of it works at this point so
none of it working would be that it
would basically be complete Anarchy that
we'd all be killing each other
constantly right there would be no
respect for any Law and Order all hell
would be breaking loose at all the time
now for all the problems we have we're
not there right we don't have um
religious sectarian violence bursting
out on the street every day but what I
would say is we do have an awful lot of
problems that maybe put that Vision not
too far in the future so when you have
every now and again rallies either for
terrorist organizations or you have you
know antifa say BLM that can just kind
of turn it off or turn it on at any time
and take over streets and break windows
and Destroy businesses and go after
monuments that tension how long can a
society exist where that is happening
and I think that's the weird moment so
we're not fully at the oh none of it
works yet but I think partly and it
might be because we're in a very weird
tension right now between an old world
and a new world that's developing you
know sort of the the baby boomer world
that's somewhat ending right now even
though they're kind of not letting go
and a new world that's going to be
powered by Ai and Automation and
everything else that's trying to get on
board I think Elon represents a lot of
that tension his own political Evolution
and where he's at sort of culturally
these days right is right there so it's
not that none of works it's that we're
seeing a lot of it does not work and
then the question is okay do you try to
repair that thing do you burn it down do
you go in a totally new direction or or
something
else the idea the Baby Boomers Baby
Boomers letting go I have beef with that
so Eric Weinstein was the first person
to put that on my radar my thinking
around this is you should never ask
anybody to let go you should be able to
outperform them so the question is has
the system really been rigged such that
the Next Generation actually can't get
ahead uh so let me ask has the has the
um setup of the US government been
rigged to the point and the economy very
pointedly been rigged to the point that
the Next Generation has an inability to
wrestle power away from them it's a
little bizarre I think I've heard you
and Eric talk about this and and and
I've definitely Eric may be the one that
brought it to my attention also this
thing about the Boomers holding on you
know when you just think that even in
the last look at the last decade of
politics if we just went through the
names it's not just Biden and Trump but
it's Pelosi and Schumer and and that
Diane Feinstein was your Senator while
she was basically 97 years old and
completely incapacitated that there's
this set of people of a certain age and
science allowed them to live longer and
everything else and they did not let go
now that's not an excuse so I do agree
with you completely in that it's like
man no no generation has to wait for the
moment that you get handed the slip and
congrat ulations it's yours you got to
go take it now there is that being said
there has been a weird moment and maybe
this is fully the fault of our
generation the Gen xers who for some
reason I you and I we have one year
between us right I'm 48 or 47 I think
yeah so it's like we yeah 48 as well so
you have two 48 year olds right we are
now basically in the prime of our life
in that we have some years behind us but
we're still young enough that we
basically feel good we have have some
experience we have education we have we
have knowledge of like what was behind
us and what could be in front of us like
it's all there if you're somewhere
between 35 and almost 60 something like
that and that that's probably the set of
people a little bit on the older side of
it that should be running things for
some reason something I think happened I
don't know exactly what it is between
the Boomers and their children Gen X
where it was like we just deferred we
just deferred all of it and we're like
okay you guys seem to have done a good
job with the world the postor War II
Order of Things America kind of makes
sense we're Children of the 80s where
everything was kind of great all the
time and and America was sold as great
all the time and we had Rocky and the
WWF and like we had there was so much
culture and TV shows and movies and
sports and all of this amazing stuff
that I think we for you and I Our
Generation it was like built in
basically that it was always going to be
good and I think because of that we
never realized we were going to have to
take over until recently and I think
that that is sort of what's happening I
would include Elon in that too that I
don't think this is a guy who really
wanted to own X on top of trying to get
us to Mars and catch rocket ships that
are landing back in our atmosphere and
you know build the tunnels under La I
think suddenly he was like whoa whoa we
really let this thing get out of control
so I don't know if it's more a
dereliction let say of gen X's duty to
take it or that the Boomers did convince
us of something maybe that wasn't true
or if all of that is just part of human
nature I'm going to run a thought
experiment and say something that I
think is true but I'm not 100% sure yet
uh I have a feeling that this is a
problem of uh inflation and that we're
not preaching we've lost faith enough in
the government as you see our our belief
in institutions is just absolutely
plummeting that people that really want
to pursue like we have a god-shaped hole
in our heart a lot of us fill that up
with meaning and purpose derived from
something other than religion I
certainly am in that camp and so I chose
to build businesses and that's my answer
to not having kids for instance um so
you've got people that say okay I don't
believe in the government the
government's trash so I'm certainly not
going to give myself over to that uh I
think it's just dysfunctional enough
that I'm not here for it uh and there
are these gigantic opportunities out in
the world to get wealthy and um I have
to deal with inflation and to me
inflation is the thing that deranges
everything because it forces everybody
to gamble because you can't just save
money and I really believe that the
deranging force of that is Extreme all
right I'm going to set that to a side
because I'm very curious what I heard
you saying your answer is not that this
is a government corruption problem uh
and and I don't mean that as in corrupt
individuals I mean that the system has
been allowed to either get bogged down
with middle managers or something but
but a thing broke there
it's more that gen xers did not go I'm
going to Rally into this I'm going to
contribute civically and I'm going to
make sure that I uphold the foundations
of democracy Liberty I don't know what
word you would fill in there yeah well I
think it was a function of success for
all of the reasons like I have no doubt
you have as many great memories of
growing up in the 80s as I did and there
was a new toy every day there was a new
TV show every day like a new awesome
movie and Schwarzenegger and all of
these things that were happening all of
the time it it also felt very
pro-america so if you grew up with that
it was like oh and we defeated we won
the Cold War we defeated the Russia you
know blah blah blah it was like oh we're
just going to have this run and this run
is just going to go and go and go so I
think some of that it's not to Discount
the rent Seekers and the middle
management people in the government or
in corporations or any of that because
obviously all of that is real I mean I
think if Trump Trump's given us a bunch
of good things or at least put a bunch
of good things into the culture I think
the phrase deep state which nobody
really said before him uh understanding
that there is a class of people that
work in DC at these at these
institutions and at these agencies that
exist whether the administration goes
one way or another people didn't really
understand that now most of us do
understand that and if he becomes
president we'll see if he can deal with
anything so that is part of it but I
think it's more um it was more kind of
spiritual in a weird way we or it's not
even spiritual it's it's spiritual and
cultural wherever those two things can
meet I think we basically the Gen xers
and even the ones a little bit behind us
they just handed us a world that was
pretty damn good and we did not realize
that we had to fight for it I mean I say
that as somebody that I think I'm
fighting as hard as I can I i' I say
what I believe and I've I guess built
some things that'll allow me to do that
that people are interested in but I
guess maybe I should have realized the
severity of this a long time ago and
most of us just were blind and that's a
function of success we had we had an
unbelievable run here in America and
Good Times create weak men I'm not
saying we're weak men but like when
everything is good for a while everybody
kind of relaxes a little bit and that's
when the bad things can get in there all
right so if there is an intelligent way
to fight and a dumb way to fight what is
the number one thing you would want to
see whoever ends up being the incoming
president do in order to
reins people to um engage
civically well this is tricky because
look let's say it's Trump for a second
I'll do both but if let's say it's Trump
which obviously I hope it will be um the
problem with this is that because they
have done such a crazy job on calling
him a fascist and a white supremacist
and a Neo-Nazi and all of those things
and it's by the way I don't know how
much you track what goes on on
mainstream media but like as we're
getting into these last 20 days it is on
full steroid mode right now I mean on
The View they're talking about Trump's
going to use the military to shut down
their show literally Joy wayar said that
like they they are really ramping up the
craziness and the problem with that is
that it might just be that Donald Trump
gets in office and maybe he's not a
fascist and maybe we even have evidence
he isn't because he was a president
before and for all of the craziness
around the ending of his presidency he
did leave office and all of those things
but what if he gets into the office of
the presidency again and he does lower
taxes and he does clean up the Border a
little bit deal with some of the
illegals here um he does roll back a
little bit of Regulation you know does a
few things that in essence free people
to do what they want uh let's say he
does some things as it pertains to the
Middle East or even to the Ukraine war
that scale those things back a little
bit um if some of that starts happening
I think an awful lot of people could
suddenly be like you know what we went a
little crazy over the last decade or two
the evidence of that is that a man like
Donald Trump's not supposed to be
president I can fully admit that like he
really isn't supposed to be president
it's it's sort of like we summoned him
from Hell in a weird way but you get the
hero you need that's what that's what I
think he sort of represents at this
point but I think if he can just get in
there do a fairly decent job despite the
fact that they will have they they will
start being violent in the cities again
they they have no out on the rhetoric
that's the problem uh there was a video
that I did the day before no the day
that Donald Trump was elected so it was
the next morning after the election when
Hillary officially conceded and I did
not support Trump that that first time
and I did a video saying look I didn't
vote for the guy I didn't support the
guy um I voted for Gary Johnson who is
the libertarian but I said look I'm
gonna give the guy a chance because if
it turns out he's not a white
supremacist and he's not a Neo-Nazi and
all these horrible things it's not what
I've done to him at that point it's that
I've painted myself into a corner
because it's very hard to be like that
guy's Hitler you know year after year
after year and then suddenly be like oh
but Hitler actually did a pretty good
job so I'm going to come around to it so
I was always very cautious with that
kind of language and I think that
allowed me to evolve properly and I've
now seen that evolution in people like
Elon and RFK and and many others um so I
think there's a chance that Trump could
map something pretty good it doesn't
mean that an awful lot of people on the
other side aren't going to still try to
burn it down and everything else but I
think there there could be a restoration
of America in that you'd have Donald
Trump as a president now you have Elon
working for him in the you know he says
the department of government efficiency
maybe you're bringing in a David saxs as
Chief of Staff you have RFK potentially
going in and cleaning up the NIH and the
CDC you bring in Tulsi maybe in the
Department of Defense like there there
really is a way to staff something that
would feel so sound and good and
different that that would be one version
of it the Cala version to get out of
this I have no idea what that looks like
I I think that you know I keep
describing her as the first AI candidate
in that she's just the product of
programming there there is it is
impossible to say what she believes um
if you can figure it out I'd love to
hear it I don't know what she believes
on literally any issue other than it's
very clear she wants to be president or
that the system has decided she should
be president and she should take any
position to get there so my my gut
feeling is if she becomes
president things will get very bad very
very quickly uh in a real way um because
if 12 or 15 million illegals have come
in in the last four years there's no
reason to think that'll stop what that
does it's not that it all gets bad
quickly like right
overnight you we just don't know what
their intentions are what these people
are doing Etc um she's talking about
things like reparations she's talking
about things like raising taxes they do
things like the green New Deal which in
essence was just printing more money you
already hit on why that's no good so I
think virtually every policy um would
not be good and I I see very little way
at a federal level that America would
work I think the states would figure out
ways to keep doing things I think I
think Florida would figure out a way to
flourish for the most part I think Texas
would in Tennessee and a couple other
places but at a federal level it's very
hard to paint a positive picture picture
I think all right flash me forward so
same idea uh Trump doesn't win this time
we get uh Harris presidency what would
you say to your followers at that point
is it hey let's give her a shot and see
what happens is it everybody get a
bunker uh what's what what does that
talk look like well look you know she
she'd be the president of the United
States which in essence is the the
captain of the of the ship she's the
she's the pilot of the plane so I would
want her to guide the thing as best as
possible I just think the set of ideas
that seem to be driving her are so
antithetical to what America is or
certainly what I believe America to be
that I don't see anything good there I
think what I would say and I've thought
a lot about this I I don't talk about it
that much because I don't like speaking
things into existence really um but as
we talked about earlier we have 50
states for a reason we have states
rights for a reason there was a reason
the founders left everything to the
states except for the few things that
were left to the federal government so I
would be very bullish on Florida I would
do everything I possibly could to
strengthen Florida which I which I do
anyway but I would encourage more people
to build businesses here um I would and
I think that I think basically what you
would see in essence is a very
very um exacerbated sorting of the
system we saw a lot of it during covid
with this Great Migration mostly from
Blue states to Red States um and I think
you'd see another wave of that for sure
I think there's an awful lot of people
that live in California right now
because you think about it California
has a huge amount of Republicans it's a
incredibly popul State now it happens to
be a one party state in that the
Democrats always win but there's
millions and millions of Republicans
there I think an awful lot of them would
be like you know what now it's a bridge
too far because now we have four years
of Cala after four years of Biden nome's
not going anywhere we're still doing all
the gender stuff we're still taxing the
hell out of people San Francisco is
still a dump blah blah blah it's time to
move on and I and ultimately I'm not um
that sorting I don't want the states
Waring with each other I think we
discussed this a bit uh when I was in
studio with you but the the Sorting in
and of itself where people are like oh I
will have some autonomy over my life I
will decide where I want to live and
what that Community looks like and
hopefully get engaged and know people in
your community and know about know the
police chief know know the local people
like that would be some version of a
solution in light of a Harris presidency
but even to call it Harris presidency
feels kind of nuts to me because it's
like it's not a Harris presidency it's
just a machine
presidency all right so um that is
getting into the national divorce
conversation um why I I agree with you
that people are sorting geographically
based on their political affiliation
which makes me incredibly nervous but
why if we can do so much at the state
level um will it
exacerbate well because I think people
would lose I think there would be a
certain amount of people in that are
Republican leaning let's say or right
leaning in blue states that would just
be like okay now I waited long enough
like we had a massive wave during covid
right I think about a million it's over
a million people left California and I
think about 800,000 of them ended up in
Florida a good percentage ended up in
Texas uh some ended up in Tennessee
people should check the exact numbers on
all this we know that about 500,000
people left new York a majority of them
also went to Florida but went to Red
States it's very the Sorting very rarely
goes the other way the Sorting very
rarely goes someone in Florida is like
oh my God I can't deal with these low
taxes and Law and Order and freedom I'm
moving to California it's not to say it
never happens but it but that was
because there was something going on at
the state level So Co is my local
government is a sociopath and I want to
get out of here and I want to go
somewhere else what I'm trying to figure
out is does something that happens at
the national level actually cause a
bigger problem at the local level or is
that literally only at the local level
so for instance I'll ask the question
this way by kicking roie Wade out and
going back to the states are we now
exacerbating that filtering based on red
and blue because we're giving the
decision-making at the state
level well in as it relates to roie Wade
specifically I would say it was the
right decision because because abortion
is not a constitutionally guaranteed
right abortion is not in the
Constitution thus anything that's not in
the constitution is kicked back to the
States that's on a pure legal level on
the philosophical level that you're
talking about I I think more choice in
the system is good I'm always for more
choice so ironically you know there's a
funny thing they call it the pro-choice
movement and I understand why they call
it pro-choice but Choice was not taken
away you now have a choice to have you
still have a choice to have an abortion
or not and you also have a choice to
live in a certain place that is
hopefully roughly in line with your
values and by the way if you are a
Floridian and you find out you're
pregnant at 10 weeks and you can't get
an abortion here they can't stop you
from going to California and getting an
abortion or anything else so I'm always
for as much Choice as possible but but
you asked the right question which is so
okay so if Cala comes in why does that
affect the state thing what I think
would happen I don't know that it
happens overnight but I think an awful
lot of people who are let's say
begrudgingly staying where they are not
thrilled with the direction of
California I have no doubt you know a
lot of these people not thrilled with
the direction of New York they're
probably just kind of waiting right now
like a whole bunch of people that are a
little more reactive got out that would
include someone like me I just couldn't
take it anymore right there's a lot of
other people that are like all right
well let's see what happens with this
election and I think what they would see
is that now with a again I hate to call
it a Harris Administration but with the
Democrats in power again the bad forces
will will be emboldened and the things
that are bad in those cities will get
worse and I would I would bet anything
that that then would cause a second wave
of migration across the
country it's interesting when I play
that out in my mind the only reason that
that would be a logical play is if you
think things are going to continue to
get bad at the federal level and I want
to be in a state that's going to suceed
uh and that thought has crossed my mind
I I would be lying to say otherwise but
one of two things is true
either what happens the state can
protect you and the state is stronger
than the federal government or um the
what the federal government does doesn't
really
matter here let's here that that is true
maybe I can give you a I'll try to give
you as a specific one as I can as
possible so let's say Harris is
President right now let's say she
roughly keeps the same border policy
polies that the Biden Administration has
and the Democrat cities keep the same
policies that they've had which is
largely a sanctuary City situation well
that means that if you're going to not
do it the Trump way where you're gonna
what he's arguing is that you either
build the wall or you close the border
you Deport some people but now you're
just doing it the Harris way so now we
have another 10 million people come in
well where are they going to go largely
to Blue cities what's going to continue
happening in blue cities go to the
Roosevelt Hotel in Midtown New York City
which is now a Migrant Center see what
happens literally at d dusk in New York
City I don't know the last time you
walked around New York City the second
dusk hits it's it's it's like a zombie
movie suddenly the there are less
business people than there used to be
but suddenly everyone kind of looks
Shady there it's just something is not
right in these places and we all know it
so I would say basically at an
immigration level if for no other issue
if the Democrats are in charge we know
that will be a worst situation at the
border and where do those people end up
largely in blue cities because the
Democrats have chosen to have all these
Sanctuary cities thus creating more uh
crime in those cities taking over hotels
a strain on policing etc etc and that
one if we're just going for one specific
one I think will cause another wave of
people to get out of those cities do you
think Elon is right that this is all a
big play by the left to get immigrants
in to get them uh filtered into swing
states to then get them voting status to
ensure that we become a one party
Nation I mean I think it's probably
directionally right like it's a game you
have to win elections I think that their
intersectional
Coalition um just does not make sense
you can't have the Hamas people on the
same side as the gays for too long
before they realize that they're
actually enemies and that's what they've
done uh and there's a million other
examples of that you know actually the
trans people aren't on the side of the
gays either like there there's so many
versions of what they built basically a
you know they were the Constructicons
from Transformers they were like oh
we'll take five Constructicons we'll put
them together into Devastator but now
they're realizing Devastator needs some
glue to stay together as the big strong
Transformer and and that's not what they
have there did that reference work for
you I feel like it kind of worked maybe
a little bit it did let me just make
sure I understand what you're saying I
certainly love the reference uh are you
saying that it is an ill-advised
strategy that's actually going to
backfire because the um the immigrants
are going to have a wildly disperate
value set and so uh theoretically it
makes sense but in reality it's it's
never going to work you might find that
being an ultr Lefty liberal who is for
open immigration and loves the gays and
all of those things on the upper west
side of New York you might find at some
point that when there is a Venezuelan
gang living on 8th and Broadway and it's
a little more difficult for you to walk
with your children on the street because
of it that per perhaps your policies
were wrong so the question would be what
are the Democrats doing as I think they
were really realizing that this
Coalition look the Democrat Coalition
wasn't wide enough to keep J to keep
Robert F Kennedy it wasn't wide enough
to keep Tulsi Gabbert it wasn't wide
enough to keep Elon Musk it wasn't wide
enough to keep me these are these are
all people who are who are moderates and
20 years ago ABS 10 years ago would have
all considered themselves Democrats so
if that is the case and I think there's
evidence to point to it well then you're
going to have to find new voters and by
the way you don't have to take my word
for it Nancy Pelosi on Real Time with
Bill Maher about two months ago she
wants to give these people citizenship
she said I want everyone to share in the
American dream that is an unbelievably
scary notion I believe Americans should
share in the American dream regardless
of their skin color or any other
immutable characteristic but the
American dream is not for everybody it's
for Americans unless you don't believe
in the nation state and that might be I
mean this would be a whole other
conversation but that might be what a
lot of Democrats actually are trying to
get us to whether they know it or not
all right is this corruption or is this
suicidal empathy it's a little bit of
both I mean you know the road to hell is
paav with good intentions so most of
these people I think they think they're
doing the good thing you know I wonder
when it comes to someone like Barack
Obama it's like what do you really think
you're doing man now you ran you had two
year two terms as as a president in
effect you had a third term because it's
his people kind of running the Biden
show and I think he wants Kamala because
he wants in essence a fourth term of of
his people basically being in charge and
it's like well Barack Obama you're gonna
have to live in America with all of this
so do you want all of these illegals
here and do you want the crime and do
you want all this fenel Crossing I don't
think that's what Barack Obama would
want I mean I know that Barack Obama has
a 30 acre house in Martha's Vineyard and
when you know Ronda santis sent about 30
uh illegals up to Martha's Vineyard they
got rid of them pretty easily so you
know these are all sort of nimi not my
backyard type people I don't know what
the I think for the Foot Soldiers the
average purple haired queer college kid
that's just screaming I think it's
suicidal empathy I don't think they know
what they're doing and that's one of the
you know it's one of the things that
everyone goes through when they're young
you know oh my God I could make the
world so right and everyone before me
was such an idiot or or caveman I
think the people who are manipulating
them let's say you know the George Soros
types or the even John Ker's some of the
more wef aligned people that really
believe in in a worldwide government not
in the sovereignty of Nations I think
their intentions actually are bad I
would say bad if you think that America
is
good yeah it's interesting I think there
might be something else going on with
the blue-haired people screaming I think
Jordan Peterson nailed that with that's
we all have like this especially when
we're young um I think he calls it the
Messiah complex like you have such a
profound need to assist uh but the
Barack Obama one that is more
interesting because you've got somebody
that's in political power uh yeah I
think that this really does stem from I
want to help people he's been a
political organizer his whole life which
is about agitating against Power uh so
you see somebody that's like yeah we can
come up we we can make this system
better I don't attribute to him malice
or ill intent but humans steer
emotionally far more than they steer
logically and I think that The Narrative
of doing things to help other people
that give us your tired weak poor
huddled masses whatever the exact line
is on the Statue of Liberty like that
really speaks to me and if I had not
gone into being an entrepreneur I think
I would I don't know that I'd have blue
hair but I'd be screaming those same
slogans because it was only getting in
bu business that forc me to realize
they're real metrics and so you try a
thing that feels right feels nice feels
kind and then you see people take
advantage of it and you see that that as
that starts to happen then the
organization begins to have a difficult
time actually outputting a product that
people want to buy so you're like whoa
like I thought I was doing a positive
thing with this policy to help my team
it really did come from a good place but
it yielded a terrible outcome now uh mle
from Argentina says everybody is willing
to play prostitute with somebody else's
ass I think that that's a paraphrase not
an exact quoty but that's a great idea
when when you are the government and you
can spend somebody else's money all of a
sudden you aren't just fiendishly
holding yourself accountable um and so I
think you throw that into the mix and
it's it it gets complicated again going
back to a Will To Power you also have to
understand Will To Power um and for
those who don't know it's a a nitian
idea that people long to control
themselves control their own destiny to
get into a position of power to keep it
um and when you mix that with I want to
help people and I just need to be in
charge to do it and so now I'm going to
get myself in charge and I'm G to make
sure that I do good things but with no
metric to be accountable to and all hell
breaks loose all right debt makes me
feel completely um politically homeless
that in money printing what makes you
feel politically homeless you know I
have to say having the evolution that
I've had politically very publicly which
many people have been on a similar
journey and I see that Journey now
mapped out with some of the people that
I've mentioned like RFK and Tulsi and
whatever what I've consistently found is
that people on the right the broad right
and I don't I don't mean conservatives
specifically but people who roughly are
on the right are willing to agree to
disagree are are down to have that
conversation have a and and this may
have a religious attachment to it
they are willing to accept that people
will be different than them without
trying to convert everybody which is an
interesting thing that religious people
seem to be more okay with that than than
often a lot of the secularists certainly
the younger Progressive types um what
would make me feel homeless you know not
at the moment there's not much I I feel
very welcome in the Republican Party um
I'm a registered Republican for the
first time here in Florida um most of my
life I voted for a Democrat I certainly
don't believe in all Republican policies
if we were able you know if we were to
just look at the party platform I'm sure
that there are some things I have issue
with um but the basic things that
America is fundamentally good um that we
should have lower taxes I believe in
peace through strength um I believe in
strong borders the basic stuff is there
now the one that might be the most
glaringly obvious is that for many many
years in America Republicans were wildly
against gay marriage I've been married
to a man for we got married in
200 I've been married for basically 10
years we have two kids um people would
not have been okay with that at some
point and I have no doubt not no doubt I
know for a fact there is a certain set
of more religious Republicans that that
don't love that idea um that the idea of
legislating that out is almost virtually
gone it it's almost non-existent yes
there are some annoying people on
Twitter something like that so would I
love would I love that to be like
buttoned up completely and never hear of
that issue again yeah but we large that
issue is largy gun and by the way I have
to give credit to Donald Trump on that
Donald Trump ran first time around
Barack Obama when he ran first time was
was against gay marriage Donald Trump
first time around was for gay marriage
so he shifted the party that that also
is the irony of where we're at at the
moment the Republican party because
Donald Trump is more of a populist and
no one thinks he's a real hardcore
conservative he's done conservative
things like flipping roie Wade obviously
um but no one thinks that Donald Trump
in his heart of hearts is like the most
pro-life person Donald Trump again moved
on gay marriage first he actually took
the Republican party and I would say
brought it more to the center so
something very weird happened in
politics while Donald Trump was bringing
the Republican Party more to the center
the rep the Democrat Party was going
more to the left and had they only just
stayed
I think this would all look very
different right now but unfortunately
they went where they I guess felt the
energy was or I can't even speak to
exactly what their intentions are
anymore um but they went that direction
and and so I don't feel particularly
politically homeless right now at all
actually how do you avoid getting sucked
into tribal thinking because one thing
that as somebody who views himself as an
independent that drives me absolutely
Bonkers is when I see people uh
defending everything you can tell
they're speaking from a position of I
just don't want the other person to get
elected and they're no longer being
intellectually honest or they're able to
fool themselves but how do you avoid
that you know it's unbelievably tricky
and I as it's unbelievably tricky as
just a person that exists in 2024 I
would say it's like compounding almost
impossible if you're in our line of work
right like it's it that makes it a
million times more difficult because I'm
covering these issues all the the time I
don't hide my feelings so I tell people
what I think that I absolutely have
blind spots and I get things wrong and
all of that sort of stuff I would say I
try very very hard to to tell people
exactly what I think when I think it I
don't hold that much behind look I was
not for Donald Trump in the primary I
thought it was time for a generational
shift sort of what we talked about
before Ronda santis closer to our age
totally competent governor of a
flourishing state doing virtually
everything right doesn't have the
baggage good family man all I thought
all of the pieces were right there now
clearly the Republican base or whatever
disagreed with me and I think in light
of the last six or eight months Trump
probably was the right choice here and
I'm and again I'm obviously supporting
him um but I think the but look I in
that moment when I was supporting D
santis I had no idea which way my
audience was was going to go with me or
go with me or not go with me right and
I've had a lot of those things you know
I I have audience members every now and
again I'll see a message someone will
email me or I'll see a comment and I'll
be like Dave I've been watching you for
six months I didn't even realize you
were gay like it doesn't matter that
much other than all you can do is I
think say what you believe
consistently explain why you believe it
and then that hopefully takes care of
most of the other nonsense but yes I can
tell you for sure in in the last year I
have seen an awful lot of people just
dive into the to the um purely you like
partisan part of this and that's that's
very disappointing I'm not at this point
I am partisan I I think there is one
political party right now that is
significantly better than the other and
there is one political party that is
that is seriously dangerous for the
future of America that that is
absolutely the way I see it and and I
don't hide that um but within that I
still try to call balls and Strikes to
the best of my ability right now I don't
see Republicans for the most part doing
anything like completely insane that I
need to really call them out for if
you've got one I'd totally be down to
hear it um but I but I don't see it
right now but I can give you an awful
lot on the Democrat
side um do I think that they're doing
anything that is completely insane I
think the the big hangup for the
Republican party is um very similar to
what you've got with Harris which is she
had all these old positions she switched
them do we believe that she actually
switched them you've got trump it seems
crazy to me to not say he tried to
create a tremendous amount of friction
around the peaceful transfer of power
like I would have felt a lot better
about it if he had said cool all right
these the this is the election this is
how it came out I think there's a lot of
fishy stuff I want to fight it um there
was having been alive during the gore
Bush challenge that just felt like two
people that were like all right we're
going to let the process play out the
way that it's going to play out Gore um
accepted defeat and honestly that felt
like the way to handle it that did not
feel like how it was handled here I
think Trump has left himself wildly open
to just not only criticism but suspicion
the the actions on January 6 lead him
open leave him open to rightful
suspicion that all of his sort of
backing off talk on that is uh just to
get elected and he doesn't want to seem
um crazy and then he gets in it's like
no for real uh we need to really make
sure because he won't concede that he
lost the election it's just like enough
of these things where I'm like bro if
you didn't have all that if he had
peacefully transferred power if he uh
said yeah I lost the election is what it
is I left it too close this is like
somebody that loses an mm bout and is
like just cannot accept that the mistake
was leaving it in the hands of the
judges the mistake is hey enough people
didn't think you did a great job it is
what it is and anyway period I'll just
Loop yeah well the only thing I would
add to that is I think JD Vance has had
some good answers on this lately not
only at the debates but when he's done
some interviews because they're really
trying to hang this seems to be a spot
that obviously you can get a lot of
people to just who are getting pretty
damn close to voting for Trump you can
suddenly freak them out and they run the
other way um and it's not that anything
you said there was wrong per se he never
said violently do it he did say
peacefully protest but but putting that
aside for second I think if you look to
the backdrop and this is what JD has
said if you look to the backdrop of what
was happening with big Tech and
silencing the hunter Biden laptop and
Russia collusion and really a largely
hoaxed impeachment first impeachment and
then they did it again after January 6
that this it's not that it was stolen in
the most traditional way that we would
say stolen and I'm I'm really not making
that argument the argument would be that
there is there was enough stuff in the
system um largely related to the
corruption in that laptop that when you
then saw that the government was
colluding with big Tech to silence
people on top of just the way the media
lies about almost everything and you
know claims he's a racist and veryify
people on both sides and all those
things that all of those breadcrumbs
could add up to a meal I think that
would be like the the most sensible
answer around that which JD I think has
laid out pretty well but I I fully
understand the position that you have
there and I see a lot of people with
that that it's like had that just not
happened maybe I could get there I don't
know maybe maybe there would always be
an excuse I don't know it's probably
different for every person but I I
believe you you say that obviously
they'll always feel in an excuse because
they have emotion and they're just post
Hawk trying to explain why they have the
emotion I'm just saying that one really
leaves them exposed and so you need I
haven't heard JD talk a lot about it I
haven't heard him talk a lot about
anything um just because I'm I'm not
that engaged but uh it isn't enough in
my opinion for
the vice president to be able to address
it it isn't enough for um somebody
admittedly partisan like yourself to be
able to address it well what we need is
um on both sides the candidate needs to
be able to address it well and so when
you look at somebody like vake dude you
could put him out on stage uh and you
give him a mic and say the most hostile
people are going to ask you questions
for 12 hours straight and he's just
going to be able to field it that's just
where he's at from an intellectual horse
power perspective take somebody like Sam
Harris you can love him or hate him but
if that guy were running for president
you could put him on a stage with a
microphone he's going to be able to
defend his positions he will leave you
the breadcrumbs where you can say oh I
understand the base assumptions that are
driving your logic I disagree violently
and therefore I'm not going to vote for
you but there's no obfuscation there's
nothing confusing there's no like weird
thing to hang your hat on it's just this
is a guy that I disagree with I think
his fundamental beliefs and Views are
incorrect all right so list I will
complet I will completely agree with you
that Donald Trump gives his opponents an
awful lot to work with like for sure and
again that's why that again was my
calculation with disantis let's just see
if we can take all of the goodness in a
package that is much cleaner and more
efficient and better and younger in
everything else again it didn't work
this time and and maybe that's it for
disantis at a national level who knows
um but you know there's Glen yunan there
there's all sorts of people that maybe
would do the cleaner version in essence
um that then which is basically what
you're asking
for yeah it is what I'm asking for it is
so um talk to me about the one thing on
the Trump candidacy side that's got me
really excited so in an Ideal World I
would have been voting for RFK as a
Democrat like that that was like woo all
right buddy let's go uh obviously that
that didn't play out that way we don't
have to relitigate that but the fact
that you've got RFK with Trump you've
got Elon with Trump um those two people
I have a freakish amount of respect for
um what do you think about Elon
specifically and the idea of going in
and making the government more efficient
Is that real or is this just a rich guy
that is trying to get things lined up to
get even richer no you know I was
thinking about it when I was walking my
dog this morning because Elon just in
the last couple days now you know
catching the rocket which is the most
like insane he's guys within a week it's
like we've got the robots serving beer
he's catching Rockets like the guy's
doing so many things and he's and he's
you know arguing with people on Twitter
and gave 75 million bucks to the pack to
support Trump like he's doing a million
things and it's like so what's really
going on there with this guy i' I've met
him a few times but I will not pretend
that I know him that well um what my
sense is is that he suddenly
realized over the course of the last
five or so years that things were as
dire as I think a lot of us think they
are that we are genuinely at risk of
handing away the greatest human
experimenting governance that has ever
been done and I think he suddenly was
like holy cow I have to get in on this
and there's something within him that
forces him to do that right like if if
the world was pretty good let's say
there's no reason for him to buy Twitter
right there's just no reason if the
world if if the systems and big Tech
were kind of good maybe not great but
not so so obviously evil So In Cahoots
with the government and censoring people
and everything else he had why would he
have any interest in buying Twitter he
would be focused on SpaceX and Tesla and
Robotics and Ai and neuralink and and
starlink and all of those things and I
think he'd be very happy to be doing
that but something happened related to
free speech obviously and now if you see
the way uh California is going after his
businesses and that when he announced
that he's taking X out of California and
whatever's left of uh Tesla I think he's
taking them out of California moving it
all to Texas Gavin Newsome basically
gave a press conference saying great and
it's like dude how freaking evil could
you possibly be it doesn't matter
whether you agree with Elon Musk about
Free Speech or anything else for your
own citizens for all of the good people
who work at Tesla for all of the the uh
tax revenue that they bring in and
everything else man you're you're happy
about that I mean I met with the guy at
at Twitter headquarters in San Francisco
amidst the zombie Apocalypse of homeless
people and drug addicts outside and it's
like well now that building's empty too
congratulations like is this a real Win
For You Gavin Newsome so I I truly
believe it is this is I can't imagine a
world where Elon Musk basically the
richest guy on the planet or certainly
in the top five is like oh my God I have
to do this so that I could have more
money and more power I think he is
putting an unbelievable amount of skin
in the game to fight for what is right
so that his children and he's got an
awful lot of children will have a better
life I I see it as as almost as
authentic as it can possibly be and and
I think you I'm sure you know this as an
interviewer you you genuinely or
generally I think you know when someone
is telling the truth and one of the ways
you can tell someone's telling the truth
is when it's easy for them to speak and
when you listen to Elon in all of these
interviews you can sense how thoughtful
he is how even the way he sometimes
stammers over words because he's
thinking about a thousand things at once
but trying to express himself properly
um I I do not mean this in a kiss assy
way at all but I I am as impressed as I
can possibly be with someone with him
the guy is in the fight and he does not
have to be you know although the war may
come to all of us one day he doesn't
have to be in it the way he's in it
right now Mark Zuckerberg certainly is
in in it that way he's now suddenly
saying he's kind of a Libertarian
because I think he sees the tea leaves
changing but but he's been on the wrong
side of it for a long time Elon wasn't
on the wrong side he was just largely
apolitical so anyway to really answer
your question could he do the department
of government efficiency why not is
there anything this guy has set out to
do that he hasn't been able to do he's
doing an awful lot and I think he could
do that and then if you throw in a
couple of the other names that that you
like right there like what is there
anyone better suited on planet Earth
than Robert F Kennedy to go into NIH and
the CDC and crack some skulls and really
fire people and figure out what's going
on there and figure out what happened
with covid and all of those things no he
could actually do it is there anyone
better suited than to go to the
Department of Defense and figure out
what's going on there and why where is
this money that we keep giving to
Ukraine and why do we never get receipts
like you actually could assemble the
right team I I think this is the chance
to do it let's get into the horses here
in the horse race uh 50% of the country
is going to vote for Harris what what do
they believe that you don't believe that
if you assume that they are being
sincere that makes them con that's the
right play yeah I spend a lot of time
thinking about this and talking about
this on the show because look
for if I'm right even roughly right
about all the things I'm saying here
it's like so could all of these people
be so wrong are all of them evil blah
blah blah well first off I don't think I
don't think they're evil I think there's
a lot of people who are confused I think
we have to give credit where the credit
is due and the Machine and mainstream
media and the culture uh has just
completely Bamboozled so many people for
so long that I think a lot of people
don't know what they believe I think
that to your point a moment ago Donald
Trump still makes it easy to to dunk on
him I think he's got he's cleaned it up
a lot you know he doesn't use do the
name calling nearly as much I think he's
gotten better at some of that stuff but
you know he is what he is and people
have basically everyone on Earth has
made up their decision about him um so
the best version if I was trying to give
the best version of what a Camala Harris
supporter thinks I would qual ify it by
saying I don't think that they really
fundamentally understand how the United
States was set up to be governed because
it was not set up to be governed this
way it was not set up to be governed to
take some take from some and give to
others to have the government in charge
of so much to go out of your way to
eliminate school choice to be so in bed
with the teachers unions um to have this
unaccountable amount of money going to
foreign Nations like there's there's so
much wrong with it but I just have to
put that out there but for the average
person that's supporting it I think
there's two there's two versions of it
one version is they just hate Trump and
that is a huge amount of people and we
just have to accept it it may you may
not think it's right but it is what it
is I think there's a huge amount of
people that just hate Trump and that's
why they're going to vote Democrats I'm
a Democrat what do they hate him based
on though what what's the underlying
belief I think they hate him I think
it's largely lies they think that very
fine people on both sides is real that
he never said I'm not start for reason
do you think it's is it temperamental
there's something about the way that he
talks is
it yeah I think well I um you brought up
Gad sad before I think he's talked about
this a bit I mean I think that he's in
some ways Trump is like an affront to
Liberal sensibilities you know he's bold
and braggadocious he likes steak well
done with ketchup you know he he can go
into meetings with people and instead of
being prim and proper you know was is
just sort of over the toop and
ridiculous like he's he basically is
Rodney Dangerfield in catty Shack and
why did everyone at the golf club not
like Rodney Dangerfield was he such a
bad guy or was it that he was just like
a little looser and sillier and all of
that and and was more of a common man I
mean that literally was the character of
Rodney Dangerfield uh in in cattyshack
he was a common man getting into the
elite club Donald Trump doesn't really
fit into the elite club so for a certain
set of people it's that but then I will
say because of his language and the way
and again he's cleaned it up a lot
lately but you know because of some of
the over-the-top things he said and that
he you know was just you know D Megan
Kelly bleeding from here and all of that
stuff he made it easy he handed it over
easily it's why he struggles mostly with
middle class women um because there's
just a certain thing that they want that
he does not deliver um but the best so I
would say for a certain amount of
Democrats it's just a hatred of trump
now for the for the Democrat r that
loves Camala well first off it's very
hard to actually see who that person is
Kamala Harris basically was polling at
zero to one% in her own primary when she
ran against Joe Biden her most famous
moment in that primary was calling Joe
Biden racist Joe Biden then said when
when he cut the deals and got the
nomination I'm G to choose a black woman
so he handed selected her not for
qualification but for identity politics
um she's attached herself to a lot of
these bad policies but I suppose if I
was trying to give the most generous
version of it that you possibly could
like this is what we have let's keep
going may you know maybe some people are
like oh maybe she'll give us reparations
or some people are like oh she'll
continue the food stamps or some people
like it's connected to the suicidal
empathy it's very hard to tell you what
a genuine I am a fully thought out
Camala par supporter I support her
policies other than I want power I don't
I don't I genuinely don't know who that
person would be I can't even think of a
of a person we could point to that I'm
like oh this person is a true Cala I'm
not talking about an MSNBC host and I'm
not talking about a blue-haired kid like
if if you can think of one I'd love to
hear it who is an adult a thoughtful
adult in the world of business or
somewhere I'm not you know in culture
that is like I am really voting for
Camala Harris because her vision and
plan for America and policies are the
correct ones I I genuinely cannot think
of anyone I can think of some people who
would say that on
MSNBC but I I don't know anyone who
would who genuinely believes that that's
quite a that's quite a statement but if
you've got one I'd love to hear it let
me I I do Mark
cubin well Mark Cuban's an interesting
one because I think he is so confused
about so many issues which is why he
keeps fighting with all these people on
Twitter all time I mean Mark cubin a man
who has become a billionaire through
capitalism and now is deeply deeply
confused I mean the way he talks about
diie uh or Dei although it's really deie
um it's like dude you ran the the Dallas
Mavericks for however many years you had
them um where were all your Asian women
on the Dallas Mavericks so you don't
really believe in diversity you believe
in diversity when it can be faked but
when it comes to actually putting a team
together and by the way the Dallas
Mavericks won the championship one of
years owning them with Dirk nitzki he he
assembled it by skill not by identity so
I would say he's
largely confused
and and and in in a weird way he's just
offering service to A system that has
been good for him something like
that do you are you glad that Mark cubin
is speaking up as loudly as he is right
now sure yeah even look with him there's
something very curious about him because
it's it seems really weird if you would
have asked me and and I think even if
you would have asked Elon probably and
many other people if you would have
asked me what I thought of Mark cubin
five years ago Shark Tank owning the
Mavs occasionally political whatever it
was like I I thought he was a great
personality I like that he was out there
he did a lot of fun things as it related
to the NBA what's been weird about him
is generally speaking people as they
evolve politically you become more
conservative you know there's the old
line that if you don't have if uh if
you're uh if you don't have a heart when
you're if you're wait oh god I've done
20 shows young if you're not you don't
have a heart you don't have a heart and
in your 30s if you're not a conservative
you don't have a brain right um most
people evolve that way because you get a
little world wisdom behind you and
everything else and you realize oh there
is some stuff that the generations
before me had that was good and I didn't
know everything and that's part of
growing up and everything else so it's
very rare that someone evolves the other
way where suddenly you're like oh
actually I do want kind of give more
power to the system and suddenly I do
believe Less in the individual and More
in identity and a bunch of things so
it's so I would say it's not I'm not
glad or not or or unhappy that he's
speaking out more I think it's been a
particularly interesting case because
it's so bizarre and I would say you
don't even have to listen to me on this
I would I would say listen to so many
people who were his friends and
colleagues for decades that are like
what in the high hell happened to you
it's interesting I what do you think
what do you think I mean as a business
person and as someone that understands
economics and everything else to W and
that I don't sense you have a great love
of identity politics I mean to watch him
go in that direction what what do you
make of it so I don't think he is in
identity politics I think that mark is
almost certainly and I don't know him at
all I have never once met him I've never
had a conversation with him ever um I'm
very glad he's speaking he is sharpening
my thinking and hopefully a lot of other
people's thinking because you either go
ooh that's a good point I didn't see it
that way or huh that still hits me wrong
let me look into why that hits me wrong
and that seems
outrageous uh but here's what I think is
happening and and Mark Lord knows I
would talk to you at any time um he is
ex he's
independent he has an extremely fluid
intelligence so he is able to take
either side and I think he it goes
something like this I've engaged with
Donald Trump enough to believe he's not
going to listen to the sensible people
in the room that he has some very
erroneous views that I Mark Cuban think
are going to make America worse and so
uh when I look at Harris I see either I
like the idea of Machinery that it's not
just one person that uh there's
something that you can interface with
here you can get behind the scenes and
have rational conversations with people
that feel like adults and they're
presenting themselves much better and so
I'm having a hard time getting over um
somebody who I think Cuban would agree
with this I don't know that he's ever
used the word narcissistic but I'll use
it because I think it sums it up very
quickly uh a narcissistic guy with his
finger on uh the nuclear button who I
think swaggers into every meeting with
world leaders and thinks that he can
just sort of push them around or
whatever but the reality is that he has
failed at business over and over and
over again uh he's done a good job of
remaining famous but he has not done a
good job of building businesses uh and
so I'm now going to switch my very fluid
intelligence and show you all the
arguments for KLA Harris and look he's
another guy you could put up with a
microphone uh the part that I don't know
yet is is Mark able to argue both sides
and he simply decided that um Harris is
better for the country in his opinion
and so he's putting his weight behind
her and because I have a feeling he
could argue just as well for Trump on
the other side if he felt like that was
the right move forward in terms of even
though I disagree with him very
aggressively because he has to
understand the way that he's
representing what so the the Dei part of
his equation if I'm understanding this
correctly go something like this uh Dear
Mr Ruben obviously I didn't end up
hiring Asian women because they're not
going to have the skill set to be good
at basketball but if you think for a
second that I wouldn't consider an Asian
woman to make sure Hey Nobody's looking
at Asian women let me go give a look I
look okay cool there's obviously nothing
here there's no smoke there's no fire I
can can move very quickly on but I'm
going to look into these pools of talent
that other people are overlooking and I
think everybody that doesn't do that is
an absolute fool and so I have the
broadest tent but at the end of the day
and I'm pretty sure he would say this I
am still only going to hire based on
competency yes I think that that is his
position I think it's completely
mistaken and several people I think
including Elon have pointed this out to
him on Twitter it's completely mistaken
in how Dei actually works once
the system yes so I can give I'll Grant
him the longest leash on that that that
is his intention with all of this but
again if you really believed in it if
you really believed that diversity above
all is the most important thing you you
would bring in a 5 foot six Asian
lesbian to play on the Mavs because she
would have some other thing that you
know that the seven foot black guy
doesn't have I would say but I but I
think what you just out there is
probably the fairest estimation of kind
of where he is at it's Pro that's
probably approximately close to it I
would say the one other piece of this
that probably that neither of us because
we don't know him can really pinpoint is
that I think he probably got very lost
in the Dei thing because of being so
close to the NBA because he was around
so many black athletes because the NBA
went so over the top on the BLM stuff
and he was a rich white manager during
during uh rich white owner of a
basketball team during all of that I
think that probably comes with a little
bit of the suicidal empathy and no
matter how many even if the Mavs had the
best locker room and all the best
facilities in the league which I think
they largely did for many years at least
in his first years uh because that's
what he was known for he just unopened
the checkbook and just gave them
everything they wanted that maybe he
couldn't get over some guilt related to
all of that that it was still him the
rich white guy doing it for a largely
black team although ironically the best
player on his championship team was
white
but yeah so if I had to guess and this
is a guess but hey this is YouTube and
guessing is fun let's go um I think it
probably goes something like this he has
not yet had the very sour disgusting
horrible realization that I have had
which is you have to give up on adults
and so what he realizes is okay wait a
second we're getting these
these absolutely
intolerable differences and outcomes
between um ethnic groups and obviously
you have to subdivide them because there
are different
um uh people in the US whether it's
Asians or black people from certain
backgrounds that have done
extraordinarily well but you still you
can look out and you go into the inner
cities and it's like hey it is not a
wash with white people and you start
going huh something is broken what the
hell do we do and I've spent so much
time because I was in manufacturing for
almost a decade uh you are in there and
you just see up close ah this is an
ideas problem this is not an
intelligence problem the problem is the
human mind begins to codify and get so
baked that even though you can change at
any age most adults won't change even
when confronted with this um information
so I look at all that I'm in the middle
of it I'm trying to teach all of my
employees everything about
entrepreneurship that I can and I'm
realizing 98% of them are are not
changing 2% are and it's amazing super
gratifying but 98% are not and when
you're looking at that problem one
conclusion you can come to is people
just aren't they're they're not setting
up systems to take care of these people
instead of going oh this is an education
problem got it I've got to get to kids
when they are young and kids need to
belong to their parents but let me just
say a lot of parents if they grew up in
the inner cities they are a wash in
terrible ideas they probably are part of
a broken family and so now you you have
created an engine that outputs
dysfunctional adults and the Temptation
is always to and Sam Harris tells this
analogy all the time if somebody uh you
keep seeing uh humans tumbling over the
edge of a waterfall and you try to catch
as many as you can you're like oh my God
like what's happening this is a tragedy
eventually you have to say who the hell
is throwing these people into the water
in the first place so let me go up
stream to me the punchline is always and
forever going to be you've got to
educate people on strong ideas from the
earliest conceivable moment I'm talking
can you get parents to read to their
kids because the number of words that a
kid Hears by the age of five is going to
wildly impact the language centers of
their brain which is going to wildly
impact their job prospects down the line
so and I'm not even talking education
once you get into kindergarten I'm
talking education like from the time
that child is born without usurping a
parent rights etc etc so I would be so
interested to have that conversation
with Mark and to see if he's like oh no
no no I've already thought about that
too and and uh either yes or no that's a
terrible idea but you still have to do
all this uh Dei stuff and here's all the
data and it really is working because
look I I could not be more open I care
only about what works um but I don't see
how the policies at least as I
understand them could ever possibly work
right well so let me just say two things
briefly on that one is like directly on
the policy side so okay so in most inner
city areas you have public education
right these people don't have the the
ability to send their kids to private
schools or Charter Schools or elsewhere
or homeschool and we know that public
education has systematically gotten
worse and worse and worse then you throw
the woke stuff on top of it Beyond just
sort of General bad education and not
the best teachers and maybe not enough
money for the schools or whatever and
then you have really toxic St so now you
have these kids that are not learning
the proper things in many cases learning
completely the reverse of the proper
things uh then you also have giant
government programs that Democrats
largely are for like that keep people on
welfare forever that keep them in
generational poverty because you put
them in rent control departments and
then if they were ever to say okay I'm
going to get off the government Dole
well now I have to earn $4,000 a month
instead of $100 a month for this rent so
there's a series of things that all lend
itself to a screwed up machine however
all of that being said I think you just
absolutely nailed it about what you have
to do with kids first and I would say
more something that I care about far
more than anything we've discussed here
or that I that I discuss on my show
every day is that we have two
two-year-olds right now who we are doing
absolutely knock on wood so far
everything right and our not only in
terms of feeding them but attention and
no television and Outdoors all day and
reading to them in the morning and at
night and all those things and we just
had our two-year checkup with the doctor
and she told us that our kids are
speaking at a four-year-old level
already and that and that she's now
using them as an example of proper
parenting for some of her other uh for
other patients that she has but that's
because we and it's largely my husband
more than me because I'm in here all day
uh are putting that much effort into
doing all the right things and not
giving them sugar and making sure that
they're eating the right foods and that
their brains are ready and and and a
lesson that I learned from Jordan
Peterson getting them so damn tired
during the day from climbing things and
running around and everything else that
when 7:00 rolls around it's like that
they're ready to go to bed and then
we'll pick it up at 7:00 a.m. the next
day and and so I think that's slightly
separate than a lot of the public policy
stuff that we're talking about but that
sets up proper people to maybe build
proper systems in the
future yeah and any parent God willing
listening to this that does not have
access to those kind of resources AI is
going to be your best friend uh and even
if your child is already born by the
time there you know I mean we're talking
three or four years from now they're
going to have an AI that grows up with
them that can tutor them that has
infinite patience effectively infinite
knowledge uh my heart absolutely goes
out to all the parents that are
struggling to make ends meet man I
absolutely get it and and by the way I
think really is gonna be transformative
by the way look I I'm blessed like you
are and that I I've become enough of a
success that I can afford certain things
for them obviously but a lot of the
stuff especially as it pertains to
nutrition I think people are very
confused on how to do things you can
mash up an
avocado and you can get a couple organic
eggs and mash those up and do some
simple simple things that do not cost a
lot of money and those kids can eat
pretty well now kids can be picky and
you're going to have to work with them
and all of that stuff and I am by no
means saying that we're perfect at it
but you know getting them out of all of
the processed foods and all of that
stuff and all of the sugar everything
even the stuff that you go into the kids
aisle at Whole Foods and half the stuff
is just loaded with sugar high fructose
corn syrup and it's like we just don't
go that route and for the first time
ever about two weeks ago we gave them
soft serve ice cream we're at a farm we
took them to the farm for the day we're
like all right we'll do it today both of
them took like a couple licks and like
they just clearly hadn't developed a
taste for sweetness and they and they
had just moved on so now we'll just push
it as far as we can that's crazy it's
crazy all right Dave ruin tell the
people why they should vote for your
candidate
if you think that the founding of
America is good that this 250 plus year
experiment uh is pretty good if you
believe in individual rights if you
think that your grandparents came here
for um for the reasons that they
probably told you that they came here
that they wanted a better life that they
were fleeing something that was
authoritarian or not good whether it was
Cuba or Eastern Europe or part of Asia
or Russia whatever if you think that
this experiment is good then I think
that actually this is the probably the
first time in my life that although they
say it every four years that this
actually is the most important election
uh we have a political party that is
largely has largely been taken over by
radicals and seemingly just wants to
hold on power onto power and expand that
power and then you have another party
that maybe you were a little afraid of
and hasn't hasn't been perfect with a
guy that certainly isn't perfect at the
helm of it but it's showing some degree
of Tolerance and flexibility and
openness and I think there's a chance to
work with that and for anyone that
remembers
pre-1995 I think that was the year we
talked about when I was in studio with
you last time if you remember pre-1995
America for a long time it was really
good it was not perfect but was good and
if we can get back to that get back to
realizing that capitalis is good that
choice is good that that it's a little
messy and your neighbor is going to
think things that you don't think and
we're going to be different than each
other and all and that that is all good
that the The Melting Pot is good that
it's better than what they have in
Europe where it never became a Melting
Pot that you bring your traditions and
your food and your languages and all
those things you actually in in Europe
they largely stayed separate but became
citizens of of uh England let's say
where in America we all brought all of
that stuff and then on any given day
it's like man I could have Chinese food
tonight and pizza tomorrow and
Vietnamese and blah blah blah and
understand people's cultures and all
those things but that but at the end
we're all Americans that we all believe
in Freedom and the right to disagree and
that we can all pursue happiness and all
those things if you believe in any of
that at this particular juncture I think
there's only one way to vote I hate to
say that it's not the healthiest thing
and I do think that there's a way it
could get back to something more normal
afterwards but I I think we need this I
think Trump was a wrecking ball the
first time that didn't fully get the
project uh didn't you know blow up the
building effectively I think this is
this is really the chance to do it right
and if any of this can be solved by
politics it's that but I would in
summation say most of it can't be solved
by politics it can only be solved by you
in your life and you have to figure out
what that means to you
I hear that you and your own life yep
ultimately everybody that is what it is
all about all right Dave where can
people follow along with you well I
created a tech company to solve some of
these problems in the midst of all this
so Ruben report. locals.com
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