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he everybody welcome thank you for
joining us today we're going to be
talking about the one and probably only
2024 presidential debate between kamla
Harris and Donald Trump I think it was
very different than a lot of people
expected it certainly was for me uh but
there's something far bigger than the
things that were discussed on the stage
that we really need to be talking about
and we're going to be getting into it
right now forgive the running start to
this episode because we just started
talking off the cuff uh as everything
was getting set up but I think that it
was worthwhile conversation so we just
kept going without further Ado here is
our take on the 2024 presidential
debate that's life adjust fix it but I
need what are the base assumptions that
you're going to use when it doesn't work
how are you going to adjust and so
you've got kamla Harris and you're going
to want to write this down because I
definitely want to talk about it we're
recording keep going just shoot it uh
but you've got kamla Harris and she is
she's changed her position on a lot of
things now personally I'm okay with that
like I want people to learn and grow now
I say that I'm okay with it in the uh
reality that I know I'm being
manipulated I understand that politics
is a game of
manipulation but I still am not so
cynical that I don't want somebody to
change their opinion and I think it
would be a Fool's errand to be like this
person said something four years ago and
now I'm going to duct tape them to that
forever that is just stupid to me so I
want somebody that updates their
thinking now because I'm not stupid I
understand that she may just be saying
the things I want to hear so I need to
see the policy and I need to understand
the base assumptions but what I'm
getting is this
Topline
um idea of I haven't changed my values
I've changed my positions okay that's a
dope talking point but now you've got to
back that up with what do you mean what
are your values tell me your values and
then what data do you look at to see if
you're actually living in accordance
with your values or not and you know
this is my whole beef this is my beef at
the level of a company this is my beef
at the level of politics before before
you put a policy in place you have to
say this is what I expect to happen from
this policy specifics real data points
that you can be checked on and then you
actually check and you see is this
policy taking us where we thought it was
going to or not and the thing is they
don't because and this is what makes me
really sad man politics is is a game of
manipulation it's about setting a frame
okay uh so there's a really important
axiomatic idea that that people need to
really hold on to it does not matter
what you look at it matters what you
see it's a fancy way of saying is the
glass half empty or half full we're both
we're both looking at the same glass so
they set the frame glass half empty
glass half full then they have to
control the frame hey everybody because
the glass is half empty it means all of
these things and they're not going to
they the parties are not going to allow
anything that might change the frame
this is why I think the DNC is so
ruthless in keeping people off the
ballot because they know that people are
going to challenge their frame and the
Democrats are doing a very good job a
very good job like as as somebody who
has studied magic I'm like this this is
masterful cuz you have to control where
people look so that you can pull the
slide of hand and from getting RFK off
the ballot to stopping people in the
green party to keep them off the ballot
to um working so closely with mainstream
media to just keep that frame keep that
frame social media
keep it's really interesting and every
now and then I will be in an
interview and I will have come in with a
frame not even necessarily intentionally
I just we all have a frame of reference
and so I'll come in with my frame of
reference and then the guest will say
something so unexpected to me they
change the frame so hard and so far
because I'm not trying to control frame
I go with them and then when I'm in
their frame I feel completely unored and
unored is the right answer all of the
sudden I I don't know it's like we all
live in a fortress of our frame of
reference hey I understand the world
from here when someone takes you out of
that frame of reference and puts you
somewhere completely new you feel
defenseless like you you don't know how
to even talk about it you don't know how
to process the information
and
that the need to stop that from
happening on both sides is so intense
that we're we're not talking policy
we're not talking expected outcomes
because then you can be held to account
uh I feel Trump is
so he's so
un ideological I don't know I don't know
what the right way to categorize Trump
is he doesn't have a set um concretized
beliefs I I I don't know you never know
what he's going to say I don't think he
knows what he's going to say so you have
the sense of being uncontrolled in fact
this is a really interesting point about
the
because Trump does not come in with pre
pre-prepared talking points because he's
going to say whatever's on his mind
because he is largely emotional
M the first time we as the voting public
encountered him it was to quote Dave
Chappelle a star was born because he
said oh I know the system is corrupt
because I've been using it and they know
it's corrupt but they're still not going
to stop it because their donors give
them money it it was so shocking the way
he changed the frame of reference he
said the quiet part out loud yeah that
people were like whoa but now he feels
constrained somehow he's it's like he
knows okay if I go
full-blown wild card you have no idea
what I'm going to say he's going to lose
because he's already played that card
people already know that side of him it
doesn't win people over anymore it now
turns people off but he's lost some of
that wild man appeal by doing that and
so now it's that was on display she
became presidential he became a water
down version of himself so the parts
where he was you know they're eating
cats and dogs and like I didn't lose the
election and like when he's hitting
those points and he's getting really
animated he still feels restrained so he
is going just far enough to seem
unhinged but not so far that people are
like yeah like get him Trump and so uh I
have a feeling something is going to
breakdown there I think she kind of used
that against him in certain places where
she almost kind of baited him into doing
it like that's why people are leaving at
his rally had nothing to do with foreign
policy nothing to do with what they were
saying but she knew it would agitate him
get him involved get him excited and
then he kind of bit for the Trap I had
the best rallies ever I had the most
votes of Republican president and just
kind of riffing and saying things into
your point it's not classic Trump it's
not the Trump that has gotten him into
the office it's the 2020 Trump who's
kind of been taken out who's like what
you're doing too much sit down the wild
card that we are now getting turned off
yeah yeah do you know who Anderson Silva
is the m f yeah from Brazil yeah he used
to be able to mind control people and he
would go into the Octagon he would like
Dodge punches slip punches and people
lost before they ever got in the ring
with him because he really did seem
Invincible it just seemed like people
couldn't hit him it looked like he was
Neo in The Matrix he could like Dodge
punches Dodge kicks it felt like he was
just super human and then he goes in one
fight and he gets knocked out he's doing
his thing and Bank done and then after
that that Mystique was gone and I will
be interested to see if Trump can deal
with that because going again I can't
State this enough the heartbreaking
reality of politics is at its Essence
politics is manipulation and I'll I'll
say it again and again so people know
what I mean by that it's setting a frame
controlling a frame um it's not
here is a policy here is the expected
outcome of that policy uh let's judge
whether that policy worked or not it's
not that and I don't know and I think
that politics is an evolutionary format
I think it has become what it's become
not because people are evil but because
the masses of people that's how they
respond they need heuristics which is a
fancy word for shortcuts which I should
have just said that people need
shortcuts they want you to um tell them
in really simple ways like what it means
to ride with you so what does it say
about me if I'm on your side tell them
that then tell them the words to use
when they encounter somebody that's like
you're bad for following that person and
then they can say no I'm not I'm for
whatever and you give them the talking
points which is why people talk about
talking points and it is excruciatingly
disheartening to watch because I have a
base assumption that we are in a
positive feed back Loop and the positive
feedback loop is going to break
capitalism and in Breaking capitalism
you are going to get um a really really
like
um it it could be as simple as God this
is going to sound
terrible uh it could be as simple as
America declining as a world power going
into a tremendous recession that drags
on for decades wow or it could be a hot
War now it tends to break into Hot War
but I don't want to um oversell things
but I if we uh if we don't understand
that the difference between a feedback
loop and a loop is that the feedback
loop the product of the feedback loop
exacerbates the loop itself it like
speeds it up so the more debt we rack up
which is in my opinion essentially all
they should have talked about in the
debate the more debt we rack up the more
Fragile the economy becomes
and eventually you have to pay the piper
and so none of us know like is this are
we G to have to deal with this in five
years 50 years but you're going to have
to deal with it
and
by implementing policies that are not
designed to zero out the excess spending
you're just weakening the economy and so
when um
Harris goes to bat for things that sound
really awesome to the average person
like we're going to give you money to
start a small business we're going to
pay off student loans 50k small business
25k for Home Loans y paying off student
loan debt but now what people have to
ask is are we living below our means and
now we're going to dip into our savings
to pay for these are we living at our
means and we're going to take on a
little bit of Deb to do this or we
already
astronomically in debt historically
historically and now we're just going to
take on more debt and economics is so
confusing that people just don't have
anything to hold on to and so the
confused mind says no and so politicians
no I can't tell you the truth so I'm
just going to simplify it I'm going to
get into power and I'm going to kick the
can down the road and
I don't have
kids that's terrifying to me even if it
happens after I die bro that's like I
don't think people understand how bad
things can
get and if you don't have a sense of
history and you only look at the last 70
years since World War II I mean look
we've had the Vietnam War we've had war
in Afghanistan we've had war in Iraq
we've had war that we weren't involved
in all over the world um but there
hasn't been a big world war that really
reminds people of how nasty and brutish
that can become and so they look at the
last 70 years and they say this is
pretty dope like what do we really have
to worry about running our country this
way is is just not so bad um you can
even look at Japan and be like hey State
inflation is not that bad Tokyo is my
favorite city in the world but there's a
reason I don't live there and the reason
I don't live there is the opportunity is
way lower and when opportunity is lower
you get less Innovation humans are a
certain subset of human ity is drawn to
Innovation if you're tired of trying to
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news can we dig into that so is the
impact that's happening at an inflation
level because we always talk about the
grocery stores we always talk about
small businesses we always talk about
kind of the surface level of inflation
but Downstream of the economy when you
kind of get through high prices you get
through people can't get jobs now people
can't create opportunities you get to
this like stagnation point of itself
like I think that's more important and
that's something that's a bit we need to
kind of spend more time on so are you
saying that in Japan you don't have the
ability to do it because of these
economic pressures what's the
opportunity that is missing in Japan
that's present in America for right now
so the most important thing to
understand is politics economic policy
it is all Downstream of
culture and this is why I worry about
what's happening in America to the
culture of being anti- capitalist um
wanting equal outcomes instead of
understanding that when someone can win
disproportionately they just go really
hard so Michael Jordan never becomes
Michael Jordan if he doesn't have an
opportunity to be the greatest of all
time now I think it's perfectly fair to
say that Michael Jordan has a sickness
that I have a sickness I'm certainly not
removing myself from this that the
reason I work as hard as I do the reason
that I've prioritize building businesses
and not having children uh if somebody
says that that's a sickness and uh we
need to be concerned about putting
ourselves on that path if it does not
align with what we want to accomplish
and i' be like yeah now the reason that
I love that there is an opportunity for
people like me to express themselves
that way is it's made a better world and
Innovation is the thing that's created
all all the abundance that we see and
people man if I could get people to go
live a season of
alone that would change everything watch
a season of alone and you will get it
Innovation took us from being in fights
with bears over salmon uh having
Wolverines come and steal your store of
food or just straight up starving to
death like people don't understand how
hard it would have been for the human
animal to finally get enough cultural
momentum where we could pass knowledge
on through culture that we could get
stable tribes that could survive a harsh
winter or I mean there have been times
in the past where you'll have manyi ice
ages you'll have full ice ages and
humans have managed to get on the other
side of that how through Ingenuity and
once you understand if you don't promote
Innovation culturally the culture begins
to stagnate so you have to create that
opportunity and so there was a time in
the 80s where Japan was just on fire and
if you look at movies American movies
made in the 80s like Back to the Future
uh two I think very specifically but it
was always they oh I work for a Japanese
corporation because it just seemed like
the Japanese were going to take over
everything even die hard early 90s right
work for a Japanese corporation it just
seemed like the Japanese were going to
take everything over but then they have
such a collectivist society it just
never ended up Breaking Free of that
they ended up having economic woes where
their debt to GDP now is just way way
way out of whack they end up in
stagflation I don't know all the
specifics of how it broke down but for
anybody that wants to go use that as a
case study of how you go from looking
like the rising global economic
superpower to effectively uh relegating
yourself to just steady now they're not
a bad country it's amazing but they're
not the economic superpower that they
were and so right now in the US we're
having a debate about whether we want to
continue to promote that kind of pursuit
of Excellence being better than other
people which makes people today very
very very uncomfortable and once you
begin
to villainize Excellence then people
stop pursuing that because that's not
how you get the admiration of your tribe
and if you get the admiration of your
tribe by
um keeping your head down doing as
little work as possible and avoiding
punishment at all costs it's like you're
not going to go very far with that or
you're going to get a bunch of people
that just run rough shot over you and
you get that growing divide and that's
what we're seeing now as you get some
people they're just wired for it they
are going to build gigantic businesses
they are going to go with the government
and engage with them and try to come up
with uh policies that behoove them and
allow them to just Hoover everything up
and get bigger and bigger and bigger and
as soon as you get that massive economic
divide you have a society that is
unstable and that's what we have now
because your average person does not
celebrate the pursuit of Excellence wow
that's deep there was a lot of discourse
on Twitter a lot of people saying Cala
won Trump won Cala lost Trump lost there
was a underlying notice that I noticed
from a lot of people talking about how
they wish the Third Party candidate was
on their stage they wish Kennedy was up
there they wish Jill Stein was up there
what advice how would you allow how
would you tell people to approach this
problem if their ideal candidate didn't
make that stage and they were caught
with these two choices that they don't
really love how should they evaluate
their election process how should they
approach who how would you break down
that problem of who should I vote for
whoa those are two very different
questions so uh how you break down who
you vote for is you really have to
ascertain what their base assumptions
are
so what makes for a great entrepreneur
is somebody that can solve a novel
problem that is one of the things that I
try to get young entrepreneurs to
understand is your job is to solve not
only a problem you've never seen before
but to be able to solve a problem nobody
has ever seen before uh the thing I
teach entrepreneurs in Impact Theory
University is what I call the physics of
progress the reason I call it the
physics is there's nothing below it this
it just is how you get better at
something um but to do that you have to
know where you want to go you have to
know that in the political sense the
policy that you're going to pursue to
get there before you implement it you
have to say this is what we think will
happen uh and ideally based on
historical things that have happened
this is what we think will happen and
then you run the experiment it should
have a very finite time period there
should be early indications like if you
think that it's going to um lower the
debt by 50% well you don't wait 10 years
to find out if it lowered by 50% you
back into that some reasonable you know
growth rate uh you don't just say well
for the next four years conveniently
we're really not going to see anything
but you know starting in year six this
is going to be amazing uh just long
enough for you know the next person to
get into office but but um you lay that
out and you see if you're actually
making it so base assumptions allow you
to understand how somebody is going to
approach a novel problem that that's
just absolutely critical we're not
seeing that that's not in the public
discourse and if I'm completely honest I
don't think it ever will be W um be just
it it is the architecture of the human
mind the architecture of the human mind
is I have a family I need to take care
of them uh my life is hard enough I
don't have a lot of free time I just
please you I trust you distill this down
from me give me the talking points again
going back to tell me what it means to
align with you and give me the words
that I say to somebody who thinks I'm
stupid for doing so that's what people
need and then ultimately they're going
to vote based on emotion so it becomes a
I mean we can talk about that at some
point but people will ultimately make
this decision emotionally the complex
calculus of that is largely about set
the frame control the frame because in
setting the frame and controlling the
frame what they're trying to do is
influence you emotionally
and so each side is pulling for your
emotion they are not talking to you
logically they are not saying how their
policies are going to help you they are
um and I think Harris does a better job
of this but it it unnerves me far more
um is to say I'm doing these policies
and it's going to have this um impact on
your life emotion emotion emotion not
like hey looking back at the economic
history when things like this have been
put into place Place we've seen an
uptick and whatever whatever and that's
why we're doing this policy we're not
seeing that and historically I think and
and anybody fact check me but almost
certainly if you want to boom the
economy you're going to reduce tax
you're going to reduce regulation and
the reason that we seesaw between those
is as you reduce regulations then people
start getting the end consumer ends up
getting at risk of being taken advantage
of and we clamp back down and so it's
like this constant back and forth of the
company's incentive is to go too far and
the political apparatus is to gain power
and so you just have this NeverEnding
seesaw of the government's the
government's um evolutionary
mandate is to get bigger to seek control
to grow budgets to spend more money and
a business's incentive is to get so big
that you're effectively a monopoly and
to keep people out and so this is why
I'm not libertarian I think that
corporations given the architecture of
the human mind they'll derange and so
you need a government that keeps them in
check but governments also derange and
you need the people to keep them in
check and so this is why I'm such a I'm
not a free speech absolutist but I come
very very close because if people are
not allowed to say what they see then
wof you really can get tyranny pretty
fast so um going back to the first part
of your question how do how do people
break the this duopoly of we're only
going to have two
choices I really hope that being able to
see the manipulation in real time is
having a very real impact on people and
that they're like oh I see I'm caught up
in a game of manipulation I see the
frame that's being set for me I see the
frame that they're trying to control me
with but no one's looking at the
outcomes of whether this stuff is
actually working or not and so I demand
by speaking to my Congress people by
going on podcast by tweeting out um I
demand that we make it as easy as
possible for more people to get on the
ballot and I'm perfectly fine that there
are going to need to be some constraints
to that so that it doesn't you know just
become an insane Cloud show I mean maybe
I haven't thought through this well my
instinct is that uh in all things my
instinct is almost always you need some
regulation but you have to be very very
careful of having too much and so um the
fact that RFK was kept off of strategic
Battleground States the ballots in those
Battleground States bro if if that
doesn't like really upset you you're not
paying attention even if you hate RFK
like you should want the idea to be seen
and for people to go that's a terrible
idea I reject it um the fact that
they're doing the same thing with the
green party terrible the fact that the
mainstream media doesn't cover this
terrible so it's um I don't know that
the following thing will work but as you
and I talk a lot about like what is the
what does it mean to subscribe to impact
Theory right what does it mean um to say
I think the way that Tom thinks through
this problem is a meaningful way is I
steer from base assumptions and if we
could get people to just be obsessed
with okay you want to put that policy
forward but what's the base assumption
that drives that so for instance um if
kamla Harris says things
like the only just world is a world in
which everybody has the same thing I'm
out now the reason I'm out is because
her base if that were her base
assumption it would be in direct
conflict to my base assumption which is
that if people are not allowed to pursue
um disproportionate returns they won't
and therefore you never get anything
that delivers disproportionate returns
because they know that it's crabs in a
bucket they're going to be held back and
human Ingenuity human passion desires
intelligence they are evenly distributed
across populations as far as I can tell
but they are not evenly distributed
individual to individual and it's been
heartbreaking for me so um I'll agree
with people that musk is a loose cannon
cool but he's also the most effective
entrepreneur in living memory maybe ever
and and when people attack the second
part that hey if you think he's unhinge
and you hate his views I get it like
that that's a that's a value system
that's a belief system and I totally
understand how people can believe
different things and value different
things so no problem but when you look
at objective reality of what somebody's
accomplished it's insane man the number
of billion doll companies that he's
built people don't understand how hard
that is like it it's insanely difficult
and he's done it as an engineer he
hasn't done it as a finance guy so he he
is manifesting things in the real world
that other people have not been able to
manifest so um that's where I start
running into trouble I want people to
lay out what their base assumptions are
I want them to understand how their base
assumptions conflict with somebody else
so if I hear somebody saying oh this is
my base assumption that we want
everybody to end up in the same place
I'm like history tells us that that's an
absolutely AB Boren idea because you the
only way to do that is by force because
of the fact that you have Elon Musk and
you have not Elon musks right and so um
there's just people have to deal with
the world the way that it is not the way
they wish it were I also wish it were
that it was just all equally distributed
intelligence because I wish I were a lot
smarter but the reality is it's not we
all have to deal with the hand that
we're dealt um and currently we don't so
people are going to have to to get the
right people on the ballot you have to
evaluate things from base assumptions
I just I don't think the average person
is going has the bandwidth or the desire
to think through that you are famously a
one issue voter you talk about inflation
to every guest that walks through this
door I feel like you have told the
Neighbors about inflation after watching
this debate do you feel better about
inflation do you feel like one candidate
or the other has a plan that makes you
less anxious about it literally neither
of them talk about it I don't know that
they think about it we've had both a
Biden Harris presidency and a trump
presidency and they're each as bad as
the other I mean it's it's really crazy
it's it's really crazy that people are
not paying attention that people think
that you can just go deeper and deeper
and deeper into debt forever and that
there's never going to be a piper to pay
and so this is where man as a student of
History you step back this what I talk
about with the feedback loop the
feedback loop is the human mind and the
way that we are is if we can borrow from
the future we will do it and that's even
people with kids man so at at some point
Always Forever throughout human history
you end up with a debt Jubilee it is the
most heinously named thing in the world
because what you really end up with is
Bloodshed that allows people to overturn
the tables and say you're never getting
your money back that's that's what
actually happens and so you sometimes
just bomb them into submission and say
we win you get nothing uh or you live
literally uh start decapitating people
in the streets hey France looking at you
uh and you're never getting your money
back so that's the only way to get to a
de Jubilee is to blow things up so um I
don't think people are being realistic
and I shouldn't say the only because
there's something like 15% of the time
it doesn't end in Bloodshed 85% of the
time it does and so uh there are real
consequences to our Behavior do you
think we're closer to Venezuela where
hyperinflation our economy tanks we
become a we lose our ranking as that
number one economic superpower or is it
more Bloodshed War you think is the way
out at the end I mean given what's going
on in the world right now it feels like
Bloodshed is the most likely outcome so
now one thing I will say is utterly
fascinating and I don't know what to
read into this yet but China hasn't
moved on Taiwan and Biden is still
president let that one sink in Biden is
still president They removed him from
running because they knew he has
cognitively declined nobody's arguing
that point so you have a sitting
president that has some form of dementia
and that's insane so I kept thinking
maybe taiwan's going to make a move like
if you're going to do it now seems like
the time so either China understands
that whoever um represents Biden or
whoever Biden represents is probably a
better way to say it uh that they're
actually afraid of them and they think
that they would uh retaliate or whatever
or they have their own dysfunction to
the point where they're like oh man
we're missing our opportunity now would
have been the time but we're not ready
um I don't know but that is fascinating
so anyway given what's going on in
Israel Gaza given what's going on in uh
Russia Ukraine I think
that violence is in the air to be sure
if the Middle East keeps growing and
that Sparks into something bigger um
that could be very problematic but the
one that we should probably be the most
afraid of is Russia Ukraine I mean
unless that just becomes a um a
stalemate and they say h we've
diminished the Ukraine so much that
they're now what John mimer calls a rump
State and we don't really have to worry
about them and they're effectively just
a puppet for us and we can say look we
took this back and now NATO knows to uh
not play on our borders but if NATO
keeps messing around and pushing the
issue or if we escalate what we send to
them bro like it's as if people don't
understand that there could be real
consequences and when I was growing up
in the ' 80s people knew enough to be
like they have a lot of nukes we have a
lot of nukes that does not end any way
good and we were always trying to
deescalate turn down the tensions and
now it feels like people just been so
Cavalier that it's just ratcheting up up
up cool
uh any final thoughts about the debate
anything you want the people to kind of
leave with and then I got some rap
questions so very much boys and girls uh
the policies you choose have very
important consequences to the economy I
think people should think a lot about
the economy I think that you should
think about now and the future think
about your kids think about your friends
kids again I don't have kids but I think
a lot about the kids and we all want to
live in a world that's dope where the
economy feels good where we can create
things that we think make people's lives
better and
if your only thought is I want to win
this election you're going to be in
trouble if on the other hand you step
back and go hey I really want to map out
how are people thinking through these
problems
and it's interesting to me that Trump is
going on long form podcast but I
actually haven't watched any of them so
I doubt that they're asking him policy
questions uh I would love to see Harris
do the same so that we can understand
again how will this person react when
something unexpected happens what are
the what are so um just to give people
an idea your frame of reference is built
of three things your biology okay so
we're 50% of us is hardwired and then
the remaining 50% is a combination of
beliefs and values now people mistake
beliefs for objective truth beliefs are
rarely objective truth objective truth
from where I'm sitting is physical
reality meaning physics we don't even
understand all the laws of physics so
the odds that we understand what is
truly true
we know we don't have a complete picture
so we're dealing with only
approximations and that's why people
like even Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris
can get bogged down in a two-hour
episode just trying to Define truth so
anybody that thinks oh truth is
self-evident it's really not that's why
I say it doesn't matter what you look at
it matters what you see um so we really
have to be thoughtful about mapping out
the candidates beliefs and values so if
beliefs is what you believe is true
about the world values are what you
believe ought to be true in the world so
um ought meaning a standin for Morality
so I believe that people ought to have
the opportunity to pursue Excellence
some people believe people ought to have
the same outcomes okay that's a value
judgment it's not an is Judgment it's a
what we think the world ought to be um
if you can map your candidate there then
it's like okay cool if those are really
their beliefs then when they encounter
an unknown problem they're going to
Anchor around those beliefs now if what
you find when you look at a candidate
and this is my fear with Donald Trump
that he's not cognizantly aware of what
his beliefs and values are so if you
said hey give me the beliefs and values
that make up your um policies or that
make up your world view that you
wouldn't necessarily get them because he
feels very confident in his gut
reactions which is why he doesn't
prepare and he just comes in and he's
like this is how I see the world and
I've been around and I understand I know
how to broker a deal and all that stuff
and there's a lot of bravado and look
it's super effective like he's done what
he's done but it doesn't help you when
you encounter an unknown problem uh
kamla Harris on the other hand I have
fears because she was acting and
thinking one way and now she's changing
on a lot of them she's got a great line
about I've changed my positions but not
my values but what are your values say
them out loud because if you say them
out loud then we can all go oh if those
ideas are driving these policies and I
know we have a problem and so that is um
that's what I would want people to pay
attention to and then also it's
interesting that I think the war machine
is real the military-industrial complex
is very real money in politics is very
real so where does the money who does
the money want to see win right who does
the war machine want to see win so
people that are anti
um Elon Musk are going to be super
sketched out by him and other
billionaires that are contributing but
then I think some people are going to be
sketched out that you've got Dick Cheney
that came out for um kamla Harris Putin
came out for KLA Harris it's like and
I'm not even I haven't thought all the
way through that I would just say that's
on my list of things like really think
about what that means because it hits me
funny from the jump so um something that
feels like like my honest answer is I
don't have enough receipts to back it up
which is why I'm koi but given what the
Democrats did to RFK who I was hard
leaning towards I was accused of being
an RFK Stan uh I was certainly hard
leaning in that direction um given that
they went so hard to keep him off the
ballot that feels hyper undemocratic I'm
okay if if the way that I view the world
loses if it loses in a fair fight yeah
because I really believe that even
people that you are just utterly
convinced or stupid and should not have
a vote should have a vote because that's
the only way you avoid the tyranny of
the elites and I feel like Co revealed
we've been being manipulated by the
quote unquote Elites for a very long
time and um that to me is is pretty
Sinister well well said well said couple
rabbit fire questions one answer let's
get right to it who won the debate KLA
Harris what was the biggest
surprise uh that kamla Harris got so
much better like some of her early Clips
I was like yo uh she was poised nice can
politics be fixed going back to the
Lincoln Douglas debates traditional PR
like we're sitting down at the table
talking through policy are we going back
there well are well those are two very
different questions uh are we going back
there I I am optimistic given
Independent Media I hope can create a
ground swell that over the next 10 15
years I mean it's going to take time uh
can really begin to swing people because
we have been there historically I think
it would be um bizarre for me to say
every negative thing that happens can
happen again now but the positive things
can't that would be absurd so yeah I
mean given how much reverence early
Americans had for the government that
they had fought for and created I would
love to see us get back to that hyper
optimistic um America stands for this
here's the thing oh this is supposed to
be speed round I'll stop we could do a
whole episode on how I want to see
Americans Galvanize around a set of
ideas but
speedrun coming soon we'll save that for
another one um what was the policy that
you wish they would have talked more
about the
debt the economy like that's it it
should have been three hours about their
base assumptions about the economy and
the policies and how they're going to
address it and as a pet owner how do you
feel about pets allegedly be Edan I I'm
so on the out side of that like okay so
dear Trump if I were uh coaching you I
would say you got to stop with like the
crazy throwaway remarks they I mean he
must think that they are red meat to a
certain part of his base but it really
just as a sound bite it just sounds
weird like if you don't have context
you're like what like I I didn't know
anything about what was going on I
hadn't heard the claim so for me I was
like did did I just hear him right what
talking yeah I was like is this is this
a def fake uh so those things don't help
with credibility even when they're true
so this is like the Alex Jones problem
okay let's say you got this really crazy
thing and it's super true you got to
come at it like um Eric Weinstein Eric
can ground you he can talk about the
things that sound crazy at a headline
level but he can really walk you through
show you the receipts be calm about it
explain why people would be led to that
and look he he is an extraordinary human
so not everybody's going to be like him
but Trump's got to knock those off like
just leave him alone if you can't do the
Eric thing and last one who do you think
wins in
November for the first time I don't feel
like I have a good read until this
debate I thought Trump was going to win
forey forey and
then this happened she came across very
presidential uh
Trump came across like Trump but in a
less cool version if that's a right way
to use that word um so yeah now I'm just
like I need to know if the things she's
saying now represent her actual change
in core beliefs like if she's actually
updated her base assumptions and she can
articulate them cool if she can't and
this is just political manipulation then
uh I sound the alarms and run for the
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