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all right there were rumors going around
that um RFK was in talks with Trump that
he was in talks with the Harris camp for
potential endorsement to either of them
if they could give him uh I presume a
spot in one of their cabinets is there
any truth to it um would love to hear
about that definitely not in talks with
Harris uh definitely never have brought
up this idea of an endorsement with
Harris definitely have never brought up
a cabinet position with Harris so those
those are the MSN just taking something
and and spinning it in a way that makes
you know their chosen political group
look
good fake
news um with you know that being said we
have offered to talk to everybody about
what your policies are who's going to be
in your cabinet do you want to hear any
of our takes on and what might work
we've open sourced our platform very
proudly and I will say that Trump has
taken genuine sincere interest in our
policies around chronic disease he takes
it
seriously for that reason I think it
behooves us to sit and see if we can
actually make some real change and if
that is a Unity party
I think that it is something that we
absolutely owe to the American public um
to explore what would a Unity party look
like I I think it would be on day one
making sure that our
health the the arm of the government
responsible for health HHS is directed
by someone we can trust someone without
ties to Big Pharma someone who
understands the foundations of and
preconditions of healthy life uh
somebody who is not going to sell out
our children to um
profiteering okay when would you guys
make that decision there's obviously
huge concerns that you guys are a
spoiler uh candidate and so I understand
there'll be a public facing message but
I'm very curious how you guys think
about that we did not start this
campaign I did not put in tens of
millions of dollars to be a spoiler
candidate I put in tens of million
dollars to win to fix this country to do
the right thing um I will say that clear
choice this pack this DNC aligned pack
that was created specifically to take us
out has spent millions of dollars to
take us out they have unfortunately
turned us into a
spoiler um and and we don't want to be a
spoiler we wanted to win we wanted a
fair
shot uh the DC made that impossible for
us they have um bandn us Shadow band us
kept us off stages manipulated polls
used lawfare against us sued Us in every
possible State they've even planted
insiders into our campaign to um disrupt
it and to create actual legal issues for
us I mean the extent by which um the
sabotage uh they've Unleashed upon us
it's it's mindblowing I mean we're still
learning new ways that they have
sabotaged us um I really wanted a fair
shot at this election and I believed in
the America that I a little girl pledged
an allegiance
to and that is not that is not where we
are today and it's not because
of the Republican Party taking us out is
exclusively because of the democratic
party taking us out and I am so
disappointed I ever helped them I am so
disappointed that I helped Chuck Schumer
in that Georgia runoff um SEC secure a
majority it's probably one of the
biggest mistakes of my life
and
um it's it's really devastating so to
answer your question we we are not
spoilers that was never our motivation
we really wanted a fair shot I think had
we had a fair shot had we had a fair
shot we would have won um I still would
love to see in the last 80 days of this
election some miracle play out where we
get a chance to
debate I don't think they're going to
let
us and you know given this I think we
are taking a very serious look at making
sure that the people that have corrupted
our fair and free democracy do not end
up in office in
November um it's hard I mean it's really
hard Tom to say these words because it's
also acknowledging how bad things
are yeah it's hard to hear the words uh
do you guys see any path to victory at
this point if uh if we can stay on the
ballots you know we've qualified for all
the ballots now which is like an
enormous feat like it's you don't
understand the system was designed to
after Ros proo to keep this from ever
happening again and we accomplish it so
technically we could win we uh we we
could absolutely win still um the
problem is is if you censor a candidate
as we've been censored people don't get
a chance to even hear
us um there is there are
things that could happen that would
still allow us to win in
November um even in this
environment and it it would it could you
know any you can't predict the number of
variables um but as long as we remain on
the ballots we could win um the question
is
is you know is the risk
of a Harris Walt
presidency worth us staying in and
that's the question we have to ask
ourselves right now is do one do we
trust Trump and in his personal
sincerity to really do the right thing
for our country and chronic end chronic
uh disease balance the budget and these
forever
Wars uh is he somebody that's going to
continue to
invite um people like Bobby and I into
the
conversation uh or is he going to fall
victim again to the things he fell
victim to in his first
Administration um so these these we're
we're waiting at all it's not an easy
calculation we want what's best for this
country first and
foremost and and and it
is um you know it's
it's an interesting place to be I won't
lie like it's you can't make this stuff
up as somebody who understands that
we're connected to something bigger that
spirituality and politics are
intertwined what does your gut tell you
about how this is going to play
out you
know this election is so important but
so is the
2026 uh governor race in California
and my gut tells me that sometimes you
need to go to the source of where all of
this stuff is coming from it's coming
from right here in
California it's coming from the
influence Silicon Valley and Hollywood
has had on the Democratic party it comes
from this idea that you can manipulate
people with lies uh to get their votes
it comes from
this lack of accountability that just
seems to continue to
spiral and I think that what my gut
tells me right now is that we just have
to keep being honest I got to just keep
being honest I got to keep focusing on
what matters the most outside of party
lines I need
to
um focus on a vision that goes beyond
November and if that means that we stay
in and you know there's benefits to
staying in if we get over 5% of the vote
we actually establish ourselves as a
party
71% of Americans want a strong third
party with a real shot at
winning um there's even public funds
available if we get over 5% of the vote
so we could get I think it's like $ 13.5
million um in public funds to keep the
party
going and and that's you know that's
worth something um that means that we
can position for a real thirdparty
uh election in 2028 where we don't have
to go around and spend tens of millions
of dollars on ballot
access which means that we can spend all
of that time and money Campa
um so you know there's two options that
were looking at and one is staying in
forming that new party but we run the
risk of a comma har kamla Harris and and
Waltz uh presidency because we draw
votes from Trump or we draw somehow more
votes from Trump
or we walk away right now and join
forces
with with Donald Trump and and you know
we walk away from that and we explain to
our base why we're making this
decision um not
easy clearly yeah not an easy decision
now are you saying that if you did end
up deciding to back out that you would
run for governor or you would back
somebody for governor oh you caught onto
that piece
huh I don't know yet
I I think that I'd be happy to support
uh somebody great to run for California
Governor so that we can nip this
dynastic um lineage in the butt uh I I
would consider running as
well I I want to be involved in
California I think you know we're the
six largest economy in the
world we have every opportunity to get
this right we produce a third of the
produce for the rest of the
nation um so all of the the policies I
care most about really do apply to
California directly Innovation AI
farming clean water water systems
efficiency of government efficiency of
cities um clear border policies well
closed border it's not it's not that
this is not rocket science you just got
to close and manage the Border wouldn't
that be nice wouldn't that be simple and
nice and straight straightforward for
all of us and then you know you think
about immigration policy differently too
and and there's ways to do that at the
state level so I think that we could
model California brilliantly as the
shining example of how to bail out of
the C catastrophic State the nation is
in right now we just model California
for the rest of the federal government
all right if you guys did end up teaming
up a trump for a Unity party what role
would you play What role would RFK play
I am not in talks with with Trump I just
want to make that clear um so it would
be you know I could en Envision a
situation in which Bobby goes and he
does an incredible job with you know for
example
HHS um and
uh Human Health Services it's it's
overseas a massive portfolio of of
budgets over trillion dollar budget it
it really has far reach so I think that
Bobby in a role like that would be
excellent I fully support it I have High
Hopes um and you know just in my
personal life I'd love to see the state
of science Go
uncensored and
uncorrupted um I don't want my child to
be subject to this
anymore and this being the censorship
the human
ation yeah and the misstating of of
what's actually happening like there's
you know there's all of these great
researchers who want to do the science
but they can't there's all of these
clinicians that want to speak the truth
but they
can't they they actually can't they will
lose their
licenses if they speak outside of the
central
scientific Paradigm and how do we stop
that um there's I mean it's so simple
you government stops colluding with big
Pharma it's really
simple and it doesn't cost any money
that's the best part it's both good for
the economy saves money and allows
people to access the information they
need to to live healthy
lives we've covered a lot of ground what
message would you want to leave to the
American people whether you are staying
in the race or going out I imagine they
is a simple idea you want people to hold
on to what is it Go independent join the
51% of Americans that
have released themselves freed
themselves from the gridlock of this
two- party thinking you will find
yourself happier you will find
yourself um more honest with with just
your needs and your wants and and the
things you're seeing you invite back
critical
thinking and guess what you're going to
make a lot more
friends it's just a happier state to be
in and you can vote for whoever you
want and you can believe what you are
experiencing through your own lived
experience um so invite back critical
thinking go independent I love it m
where can people follow you and uh see
what you end up
deciding follow us on X you know thank
goodness for X it's allowed us to at
least speak freely with the people that
have found us and uh follow our podcast
Bobby has a great podcast I've got one
called back to the people where you know
long form discussions like these are so
important and allow yourself to listen
to everyone no matter what their
political I mean anyone who interests
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