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I mean Montreal is truly a multicultural
City tons of Jamaicans and Haitian and
Italians and Greeks and Vietnamese and
Korean and right and everybody gets
along Islam comes in we start seeing a
problem why because what is at the root
of the tenants of Islam is it one that
teaches that we should all get along or
is it one that says that we will all be
United peacefully under the unifying
flag of
oh yeah it's the latter one now is Islam
a proling religion or is it one that
says like in in Judaism why is it by the
way that there are only 50 million Jews
in the world I mean we really suck at
increasing our club well it's because if
you tomorrow tom decided that you wanted
to convert to Judaism canonically within
the tenants of Judaism everything will
be done to try to dissuade you from
converting let Al the fact that the
conversion process is a very long one
because the idea is that you have to be
truly pure and soul in why you're
converting and so we're going to
constantly test you to dissuade you from
coming into the the club as a as a as a
costly signal of your true wish to want
to belong now imagine if another
religion says that my fundamental goal
is to turn everyone who is not like me
like me and all you need to say is a
single sentence publicly and voila you
become part of that club therefore you
don't need to be a big marketing genius
to say which one is going to attract
more customers is it the one that
doesn't allow for many conversions or
the one that proles as its fundamental
value well Islam does does that right
and therefore there's always going to be
frictions once the two
cultures clash with each other other
that's why Samuel Huntington wrote a
very famous article in I think 1993 on
The Clash of civilizations he was
talking about the Islamic versus
non-islamic world again I don't need to
be lectured by people about the fact
that Islam has done wonderful the
Islamic architecture there was a time
when there was Islamic Renaissance where
the it's true that Europe was in the
Dark Ages and of course I mean people
are people humans are humans they are
smart and bad people in every faith and
so on but the codified tenants of Islam
do they allow to use your terms you
maximal human flourishing well nothing
could be clear and the answer is no in
that it doesn't Grant you the Dignity of
individual Freedom right and therefore
it's going to clash with a society that
is built on individual freedoms and
individual dignity now again today when
Islam in the United States is at 1 one
and a half 2% you're not going to see it
much it's not going to matter when it's
going to be 10% and 12% and 15% you're
going to be sending me an email saying
oo I think I should have listened to you
by the way to close the parenthesis on
that woman that I had sent her the clip
about three months ago Tom she sends me
an email 14 years after that original
exchange and she goes I don't know if
you remember oh I remember you're in the
parasitic mind although I didn't mention
her name I didn't I didn't violate her
identity but she probably didn't read uh
the parasitic mind because she's saying
I don't know if you remember we had a
spicy exchange 14 years ago where and
well now I've kind of come around to
seeing it well yeah because now you live
in Montreal and you're seeing the
changes of the past 14 years and
probably your kids were beaten up at
school because they were not Muslim and
so that's the regrettable part which is
we could solve this problem today with
lust Bloodshed or we'll solve it
tomorrow with more Bloodshed people will
wake up the problem is that the
autocorrection will not be
peaceful yeah so it's a uh this is an
intertwined web that I'm just now
beginning to think through but I one
question that has to be asked is to me
this is just how Global movements work
and so we think we're at the end of
history but the reality is that we're
not and that people are um conquered
colonized uh just
Savaged throughout all of history and if
you look at migratory patterns so uh
you're looking at Montreal and saying
hey I don't want to have a bunch of
people that don't share my values I have
a feeling you'd feel that about any
place that was going to want you to live
under their values instead of just
leaving you be so can be Muslim can be
whatever uh can be martians right so I
just I don't want people to overly focus
on Muslim though that is the reality
that we're talking about right now um
but that is uncomfortable for you but
this is exactly from my early read and
tell me if you think I'm getting
something wrong exactly how Israel ended
up coming to be was like hey we want to
get more and more Jews that have been
scattered all over the world come in
just first it's about numbers it's about
getting people here slowly slowly slowly
and so how do you think about that when
it's like okay at one point for some
people that you will forever be tied to
whether you agree with it or not but uh
Jews went and literally made a nation by
slowly moving into that space and now I
see it playing out across Europe I see
it playing out in Canada I am sure it's
going to start playing out in the US and
I'm like yeah I get the game like We As
Americans we did the exact same thing to
the Native Americans we came in we're
like this place looks nice and so how do
you how do you think through that
problem look uh gam AER who was was the
Prime Minister of Israel I think maybe
the fourth from maybe 1969 to 73 or
something something around that I I
might get the numbers wrong she was the
first uh female prime minister has a
couple of quotes that really capture the
the the Dilemma in in that region one
thing she said is that uh if the uh
Palestinians learn to uh love their
children as much as they hate ours or
something like that then would have
peace uh I maybe I botched it a bit and
the second one is that if we put down
our arms there would be a genocide if
they put down their arms there would be
peace it has nothing to do with a with
peace of land it has nothing to do with
contested territories let me break it
down for you I recently discussed this
on The Joe Rogan show but it's worth
repeating here for those of you who
don't watch Joe Rogan Islam has the
concept it's a it's a duality concept
the world is divided into two there is
Dar Islam and dar har Dar Islam means
the house of Islam Dar har har in Arabic
means the house of War so the entire
world is broken up into either blue or
red house of Islam or House of War what
does that mean any land that Islam
conquers and then loses is forever more
canonically under the house of Islam any
land that has not yet ever been
colonized and conquered by Islam is in
the house of War it is to be conquered
that's why the end result is that Islam
is peaceful because it seeks peace
through the unification of the entire
world under the unifying flag of Allah
okay now in the Middle East every single
society that had existed prior to Islam
has been eradicated right there we in
Egypt Coptic Christians were the
majority now they constitute 10% of
Egypt okay in Syria there was huge
Christians Lebanon used to be a
predominantly Christian country within
my lifetime and yours Lebanon went from
being predominantly Christian to now
being majority Muslim within our
lifetime not 500 years what happened to
the Iraqi Christians Persia had a
culture before Islam now it's become
Islamic so no ideology has conquered and
colonized as much as Islam has so if
you're worried about the colonization of
Zionism then by any stretch of the
imagination if you're going to be
logical then you have to be worried and
upset about the colonization of 56
countries that didn't weren't were once
not Islamic and in many cases they were
they were they they became islamized
through Brute Force that's why there is
the sword of Islam it doesn't capture
that we're going to cut bananas together
it captures that I put the sword to your
neck and when I conquer you I give you
choices three choices either convert or
die or live as a dii dii means as a not
not even second class citizen you're a
third class citizen right so for example
Jews and Christians have often been
tolerated under Islamic law so for
example you hear about the per the
golden period of Andalucia right which
is in current Spain all that that means
is that you are tolerated until you're
not right but you're always walking a
precarious W High Highwire right on any
given moment you better put on your
really fast running shoes and run really
fast because your head's going to be
detached so we lived very nicely in
Lebanon until we didn't right and that's
the history of the entire region now
Jews existed in the Middle East for
thousands of years because the before
the word Islam ever came to be so if
we're going to use historic historical
precedents it's a game that the enemies
of Judaism are going to lose but here's
what I propose how about you teach your
children that there could be people who
live next to you we can debate where we
draw the line but there is a group of
people that have thousands of years of
provenance to that Land by the way
Palestine when you said Palestinians
until recently it referred to the
indigenous Jews of that area called
Palestine Palestine as you hear it today
is a concoction from the 1960s there is
no Palestinian people they're Jordanian
they're Egyptian right there is no such
thing as Palestine other than it's a
territory that has been uh mandated by
different groups a while back by the
Ottomans more recently British mandate
and so on so imagine if we can teach the
children of our neighbors that Jews have
a right to exist we can be neighbors
let's love each other It's Perfectly
Natural for us to coexist do you think
that Israel is actually interested in
committing a gen genocide because if
they wanted to commit a genocide well
let's let's let's think it through
it would take well less than the time
that I've been on this show today for
every single Palestinian to be
eradicated given Israel's might is that
is that true is that a true statement it
is okay yet they haven't done as a
matter of fact the Palestinian
population has increased fivefold so
Jews are really at the genocidal
game because population increased
five-fold right when when when the Nazis
were trying to exterminate the Jews they
were trying to get rid of them they got
rid of 6 million so the reality is that
Palestinians are taught that the highest
values to speak earlier about our what
we're talking about what's your value
what's driving you in the morning there
is no greater goal than to
liberate all of hence free free
Palestine from the river to the Sea from
the Jordanian River to the Mediterranean
Sea free of Jews I grew up in that world
I speak to those people I mean now it's
harder for me to speak them in Arabic
because they recognize me but 25 years
ago when I wasn't as known and I could
mixed amongst the folks who speak Arabic
it was very clear Jews are a Cancer in
that region and we must get rid of them
as we have all other societies right so
there are many other religions that had
flour historically in that region
they've all magically disappeared where
are they what happened to them crack a
history book okay what do you hear
things like Christians are a Cancer as
well or is it just that their slow march
to get people to convert or leave just
so that's a great question so there is
an expression a saying in in in the
Islamic context first we come for the
Saturday people then we come for the
Sunday people the Saturday people are
the Jews the Sunday people are the
Christians so it always starts with the
Jews but it never just ends with the
Jews because again a fair World a just
world is where everybody is Islamic and
I'll tell you what I want to find though
is is there a specific animus for the
Jews because if you if there's just like
this sort of rolling thing of like okay
we're 90% Christian now but you know in
500 years we're going to be 10%
Christian and that's just we are better
at propagating things making people less
comfortable being here whatever and so
over a long enough time period we're
going to win in any region that we go to
but there's no particular animus for
Christians or Jews it's just like we'll
get rid of them but if there's specific
animus for Jews that there isn't for
Christians even though they've both been
pushed out of the region then obviously
it begs the next question which is why a
specific animus for the Jews it's it's
canonical it's in it's in the teaching
Quran that's right it well there are
there are three three quote holy books
in in in Islam there is the Quran there
is the Hadi and then there's the S the
the the biography of Muhammad okay and
now different people they could be
quranic literalists who say no no no I
only rely on the Quran there are others
who the Hadith are basically the the
deeds and the sayings of Muhammad but
the and and then there is a mechanism by
which you assign to a particular story
in the Hadith its veracity so in Arabic
sah means uh well how true it is and so
here is a story that's narrated by such
and such about how Muhammad did such and
such and by the way because Muhammad is
the Ultimate model to emulate forever
more then those stories are really
important because they become moral
teachings about how to act so if
Muhammad did Behavior x one of the
reasons why now you may think that that
behavior is reprehensible but the reason
why you can't say that that behavior is
reprehensible because how could it be
that the most perfect moral person
that's ever lived would ever do
something that is reprehensible that
that's why you get the mental G
gymnastics of trying to justify why he
did this and and not that okay so those
are the three books that you rely on and
we don't have to guess Warner who is by
training a physicist so he's trained in
the scientific method many years ago
he's he founded a center called the
center for the study of political Islam
where he applies what's called content
analysis to answer such questions does
the Quran and the Hadith have a lot of
Jew hatred in them well I don't have to
guess that I can use the scientific
method to gauge that how do you do that
so what content analysis does is it
allows you to come up with a coding
scheme to do the hermeneutics the the
the the content analysis of any text so
for example if I want to study
literature so never mind religious text
I want to study how often in classic
Cannons of Western literature do
we place greater value on female Beauty
in the protag
versus male Beauty so there is a tool I
can use called the content analysis that
would allow me to say out of these 100
classic literat literature uh novels
79% of all cases where a character is
described with regarding their beauty it
is female so it's clear it's clean so I
can go to those texts and study what
those texts say about Jews
it's not pretty Tom it's really not
pretty as a matter of fact Bill Warner
compared the amount of Jew hatred in
mine
com you know the guy with the little
mustache I do you remember him yeah For
Better or Worse remember remember him
okay there so Bill Warner does an
analysis of Jew hatred in Islamic text
versus minec oops it doesn't look too
good so you don't need to believe God's
side but you have to do something that
most people to go back to our earlier
Point find very very difficult to do
it's called think it it's very hard for
me to go
and apply my cognition I'd rather just
hear Barack Obama tell me that Islam is
peace and it teaches peace it doesn't
right I mean look have we talked on this
show about the Jew hatred that I face
growing up in Lebanon think well we
certainly did the first time I can't
remember if we did last time but the so
the Jew hatred part we will certainly
get to what I'm trying to tease out is
um so there's there is
a narrative going around about what's
happening with Israel that I think is
very difficult to tease apart so uh one
narrative is that this is really just
about this tit fortat back and forth you
killed this person we killed that person
take from if you start the clock at
October 7th this really gets uh crazy
making but if you take it back from a
just a question about whether U more
people were bombed on what side or how
people were killed uh it it really gets
deranging now the way to start the clock
for me is looking at when Israel itself
as a nation was formed that feels like
it's a very important moment of how did
it happen What what would I expect
people to have a reaction to that and
then to spend time on the question of um
what are the consequences of Israel
existing I won't even ask whether it
should exist because now I'll leak my
own bias it does exist it has existed
for a while uh and just like um so my
wife's family lived in half the family
lived in the part of turkey sorry the
part of Cyprus that got um invaded and
taken over by turkey they lost
everything in and in Turkey is what
really religion uh I will assume it is
Islam yeah okay so anyway setting that
aside for a second um they came in
divide the island in half the north is
now Turkish and the south is Greek uh I
my mother stepmother-in-law uh lost
everything again in an instant and so I
know somebody who will cry if you even
bring it up it was a very traumatic
moment obviously for the family but the
response has been it it's divided it's
done we're not going to go in and lose a
bunch of life trying to reclaim this
we're you know whatever 50 years down
the road uh so that's very much the take
I have hey it how it came to be is a
very separate question from whether it
should exist it does exist it's there I
it has a right to defend itself all that
good stuff but I can understand from a
um you guys uh Jewish people moved into
the area slowly built up the population
and now some Jewish people moved into
the area there were many Jews who lived
in that area for thousands of years
before Islam existed they are indigenous
people Fair Jews are indigenous to but I
wouldn't expect that to be any comfort
at all to the people that just like are
in Montreal right now I don't expect it
to be comforting to you if we suddenly
found out that Muslims that live there a
thousand years ago right it's like sure
but my family's here my value system
Reigns Supreme
uh and slowly but surely people are
coming in and asking me to live in their
way so let me let me contextualize this
for you in a very rich personal history
my brother-in-law is Egyptian Egyptian
Jews African Jews North African his
family is from
Alexandria that's where a lot of the
Egyptian Jews were then in the 50s it
became untenable to be Jewish in Egypt
so they escaped and left so remember
that story so kicked out of Egypt never
mind Egypt of the Pharaohs in many
thousands of years ago okay my
grandparents some of them were Syrian
Jews they were they left Syria because
it was now precarious to be Jewish in
Syria we ended up in Lebanon we're all
Lebanese we were kicked out of Lebanon
because we're Jewish
my wife's family are is Lebanese
Armenian they were kicked out of Lebanon
because they are Armenian
Christians their ancestors 1915 were
exterminated in Turkey right so just
within my family I've just given you
Egypt Syria Lebanon and turkey what's
common to all those four is the ideology
that's driving them what's also common
is that the victims of that ideology
were a minority in that bigger land so
Israel that's what happened to the Jews
when they had to flee some decided to
stay so in 1948 the Civilized World said
look there are two peoples who live here
let's divy it up we can debate about the
the details but that'll put us in Weeds
that we'll never solve the big 30,000
foot story if I'm coming from Mars is
that there are two people who have
historically lived there sometimes nice
together sometimes not so nice and
usually when it's not so nice there is a
dynamic as to who's the perpetrator and
who's the victim that's
unequivocal and then one day the
Civilized World in part precipitated by
the fact that some really bad things had
happened to Jews in the Holocaust said
you know it would be fair All Peoples of
the world have land that they call their
own it would be fair if a slice were
given to these people and to those
people the Jews said perfect let's do it
and they took a very very uh less than
generous deal the other group said
absolutely not and now the other group
doesn't include Palestinians it's the
Arab world that's why in 1948 there was
a war of annihilation which the Arabs
lost then in 19 so sorry this is going
to fractal really fast and so I want to
take one issue at a time sure okay I
want to see if I understand your
position correctly on um what it is like
to encounter a Muslim population so
Muslims take over that's part of the
ethos of the religion um and that you
didn't say this but I have a feeling
that this is part of what you're trying
to stop me from doing uh not to get
sucked into the level of the
conversation about um how Israel was
formed that's you're you're going to
miss the bigger point which is IAD have
a message to the west and my message to
the West is um Muslim is a
prizz religion it will come into an area
it will build its numbers up and it will
um being generous using their own
language they will unite us all in peace
under Allah exactly okay now that
doesn't mean as I say that that 99% of
Muslims don't go about their day merily
living peaceful good lives not caring
about any of the canonical texts that
call for Islamic Supremacy but that's to
be distinguished from what the dynamic
of the demography will result in which
is there is no place that Islam has gone
where there has been an increase of
flourishing of people who were not
Islamic you know we just have to crack
books there's a lot of data there's
1,400 years of across 56 countries okay
so
Israel the world decided it should exist
and Israel said great let's live
together let's shake
hands the other Camp said that can't be
right by the way on his deathbed
Muhammad said promise me that you will
rid Arabia of the Jews that doesn't
sound very peaceful that seems like it's
not a good idea okay so now we have this
bunch of Jews who are
uh they have the gal andpa of being able
to forge their own destiny of actually
being militarily powerful no I will
tolerate the Jew as long as you are a
good Demi and if I decide that your
daughter is really pretty and I'd like
to marry her you're going to Fork her
right Jew that's what it's called to be
a dii open it dii by the way you spell
it in English d h i m Mi I your viewers
can go and read it later okay so yes
Jews are tolerated in Islamic lands
until they're not tolerated know your
place Jew be quiet don't cause trouble
okay so in
1948 a bunch of Arab countries decided
to attack Israel and they were going to
solve the problem and in which case we
would have free free Palestine free free
Palestine would not have been we're
going to allow the Jew it was an
extermination War they lost it then 1956
came along in 1956 the president of
Egypt was Gamal ABD Naser he was a very
charismatic populist guy he was a pan
arabist meaning that he was trying to
unite the entire Arabic Nation we're all
one nation in Islam there's the concept
of the umah the umah is Islamic Nation I
could be Malaysian I could be Indonesian
I could be Albanian we're all United
under the the family of Islam it doesn't
matter where I come from okay so he and
the rest of the Arabic countries in the
region attacked Israel again so now we
have 1948 a war of extermination they
lost 1956 war of extermination they lost
1967 Another War Six Day War they lost
1973 yum kipur War they lost these are
Wars where many Arab countries
outnumbering the Israelis 100 to1 attack
to solve the problem to have free free
Palestine from The River To The Sea done
with the Jews they lose now Israel at in
one of those Wars had won the entire SI
Sinai Peninsula which would make the
land mass of Israel 50 times bigger so
if they were a colonialist who's that
are who are trying to grab land mass
they would have kept that land you
attacked us we won it it's not part of
our thing they gave it back to anoir
Sadat when in 1978 the Camp David occurs
where Egypt recognized Israel so Israel
said we're willing to give up a land
mass that is 50 times bigger than all of
current Israel which we won in a war
that you attacked us but please AF off
can we live in
peace okay and then since n since that
point there's been several intifadas
each of the intifadas is to solve the
Jewish problem right in the Hamas
Charter it says you're going to
annihilate not just the Jews in Israel
all Jews there is a Hadith that says the
world will not end until the tree speaks
out and says oh there's a Jew hiding beh
behind me that's not you can go look it
up right now does that mean that every
Muslim is walking around wishing to kill
Jews of course not do I have tons of
Muslim friends who come to my house and
don't give a about any this of
course yes but Islam as an ideology is
it one that promotes individual
flourishing coexistence no so nothing
could be clearer than that so I you know
I didn't give a damn about Israel until
October 7th I mean I have a lot of
family there but I didn't even care so
much about my Judaism but I know that
the other folks care about my Judaism so
it became really important for for me to
be Jewish post October 7th and when I
was running really fast as a kid to not
be decapitated being Jewish is number
977 of interesting things about Gad but
you're forcing me to care about my
Judaism because when I'm afraid to walk
on campus because there is a bunch of
Maniacs screaming from The River To The
Sea then I have to care about being
Jewish but if I could never hear about
being Jewish again I would be perfectly
happy so this problem will be resolved
when the Palestinians decide that the
world life is short and there is such
incredible things to do together when
they internalize that message and say
there are people over there who are not
Muslim and they have a right to exist
and I will no longer teach my children
to want to Aspire to kill them in a holy
Jihad we will have peace until then
we'll never have peace okay I want to
say your position back to you to make
sure that I understand you for giving me
the opportunity to speak for so long
damn and of course I this obviously is
one of the most uh difficult and
intractable problems of our time