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I think this 2024 election is a complete
misdirection in the sense that I promise
everyone listening to this that if Biden
has another term it's not the end of
America we've been hearing this every
four years if this democrat's elected
it's the end of America I also don't
think if Trump is elected it's going to
be the end of America but I think people
need to think more long term Washington
can only solve cause problems it cannot
provide Solutions and I think there is
I don't know that I would have advice
per se but I think social media is
organically doing the Lion Share of
delegitimizing corporate media and
government and that is something I am
extremely um grateful for and
enthusiastic about that makes a lot of
sense is is it just a function of an
alternative or do you think they're
actually proposing ideas that are
useful well I I what do you mean I'm
sorry in the alternative media is there
anything coming out that you think is
actually useful or is it just that there
is an outlet that Twitter exists or X
now I don't know if they're proposing
other than like Bitcoin which I'm very
big fan of I don't know they're
proposing Outlets per se so much of
understanding of you don't have to
accept the system as a given and you
also this idea that this vote every four
years is determinative of everything
that happens in your life is completely
fallacious and you know this mechanism
certainly that the Republican party is
going to be means of your salvation or
Trump personally is really uh I think
people have dropped a lot even though a
lot of people on the right will say they
infinitely pursue prefer Trump to Biden
they are not going to think okay if we
get him in you know everything's a wrap
they they they they understand that the
swamp's not getting drained in four
years agreed but if people perception is
reality so people believe that their
vote matters and that the election is
being influenced they probably wouldn't
use that word they probably use
something stronger but being influenced
by all the political lawfare that that's
Trump has been targeted unfairly I mean
there are huge number of people believe
that yes and so I one of the things on
my bingo card is uh enough people go uh
he's a felon I can't elect him right all
they needed was the mug shot right now
loses and people go he didn't get the
VES I'm not even arguing that but he
didn't get the VES because these people
wrongfully targeted him with uh
political laware we're a Banana Republic
this is all a farce and some level of
violence maybe just 2020 sort of Street
Riot level uh but maybe more there is
some level of
reaction I love all of that up to the
violence so yes what is this is the
first time in our lifetimes where
whoever wins the election I think the
other team will not regard it as
legitimate I think if Hillary won in
2016 the Republicans would be like all
right we knew Trump wasn't going to win
like they pulled out all the stops like
we we we sh we swung for the fences we
didn't get it they'd be understanding I
hate her you know but this is how
politics work this kind of like what do
we expect uh
in 2020 I think if Trump got in the if
Trump got in again uh I don't I think
the Democrats would think he's
illegitimate in the sense of like in
2016 but not in the same way that he
stole it right like this guy doesn't
have a right to be president it's kind
of more their mindset this year I think
if Biden wins they will say it was
stolen and all this lawfare and if Trump
wins I think it'll be like this is
completely Beyond The Pale he's a felon
these people don't believe in the same
country we do like we can't sit down and
have a discussion anymore so we are
reaching a kind of political breaking
point which I am very in favor of and I
am very hopeful
about okay talk to me about a national
divorce why are you hopeful I don't
think I don't I wasn't referring to
National divorce my comment just now uh
I'm just you referring I'm just
referring to this idea of a
mass disbelief in the legitimacy of
Elections and government because it's
really said we can't sit down and talk
to each other anymore right meaning the
point being that if you think this
system is
unsalvageable then you come to my way of
thinking that there's no point in
sitting down and talking because these
talks aren't being done in good faith uh
my opponents don't value my life at all
or they see see the world in ways that
are so fundamentally opposed to my own
that there's really no point in talking
because even best intentions we're going
to be talking past each other and once
you have enough of a population who
thinks this prohibition is a good
example if you have enough people who
are like this is just [ __ ] and we have
to talk about it this just makes no
sense and I'm not for it then people
just ignore uh enough of the population
ignores the law and does what they
decide is the right thing to do and then
it gets harder and harder to maintain
the sort of for my view illegitimate
nation state H okay uh so let me see if
I understand that uh in practice so you
like that we are having uh contention
between the two sides that they both
view this moment is just so
catastrophically ridiculous that this
whole thing is rigged they'll use maybe
different words but it's it's
illegitimate this process is completely
broken and now by default they're all
either at your position or closer to
your position and you guys now can at
least have a discussion about okay how
do we respond to this and the way that
we respond to this is it will just be
completely organic from the ground up
people will start saying uh this law
being imposed upon me is completely
asinine and I feel that way because if
I'm a republican I'm just any in the
Democrats in office I'm just be like
nope I'm not gonna do that so I don't
know if this one s cities is another
example yeah perfect I was going to say
the border so uh you've got the governor
of Texas saying I don't care that you
want to let people in I'm going to lay
razor wire and and everybody can just
deal with it uh and you think that
there'll be so many of those little
things that it it weakens the power of
the state as we recognize it today yes I
wouldn't say um completely organic I'd
say largely organic but other than that
yes everything you just said yes okay
what part won't be organic because I
think there's going to be astroturfing
and there's going to be people uh
manipulating and not using this word in
negative sense uh sentiment influencers
uh pushing people to become you know
more radicalized unless like let's sit
down and figure this out okay in your
sort of playing out the war game of all
of this is there a positive feedback
loop that you grow concerned about that
could push beyond what you're
comfortable with or because I think
violence sings its own song and once
things start getting violent this idea
that it's just going to end nicely
almost never happens it certainly does
not happen in in the short term it's
going to be you know a lot of bad things
almost always so I'm very concerned uh
this
this you know this whole talk of January
6 being an Insurrection it's talk about
the boy cries wolf like if you think
this is as bad as you know the right can
get like you need to study your history
because if they popped off it would not
be a symmetrical to 2020 if you had a
bunch of right-wingers who have guns who
really want to take matters into their
own hands it's not going to be pretty
you know for the people at
CBS and they should be very careful of
edging people toward that
goal but you don't see anything in the
setup to
2024 that leads to that response I see
lot my point is this is what I'm talking
about kind of like sticking the landing
like I am glad that there is this
growing contempt uh for the state and
its legitimacy I'm concerned though that
it's like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa like
let's not like things have their own
momentum uh and that's when things can
get out of hand in a very bad way who
would be our gorbachov in this
moment would be our the the lynchpin guy
that if they break One Way Or Break the
other way
then it determines it would have to be
the President right or to me it's I put
Trump at the center of all this whether
he wins or loses it will come down to
how he responds if he loses and he's
like hey look this was law fair horrific
they never should have done it however
everybody this don't break into violence
there's a better way to handle this I
brought Michael Mouse on my uh
alternate uh C cabinet to talk about a
way forward for you guys so that you
don't have to be under the Yoke of this
illegitimate government but at the same
time I want to be just expressly
committed to a nonviolent Rebellion
against this farce whatever or if he
wins being a uniter and having the
moment like at the end of the Civil War
where instead of um telling his people
to go home and become Rebels and be um
do Guerilla Warfare tactics I think it
was Lee uh said look we lost we lost
fair and square everybody pack up go
home go back to your normal life and had
he in that moment encouraged them and
said this is illegitimate the nor should
never be recognized go home and be
Guerilla Fighters it would have been a
very different post Civil War reunion
but they did have Guerilla Fighters they
have the
clan yes do you think that LE
um request that they all go home and and
peacefully reassimilate had an impact or
it did but it was a finite impact right
and and I don't I think I
I if my political opponents here's the
thing with regarding Trump which I think
I would guess literally like 70% of
people would agree with what I'm about
to say I think he did it he paid her off
and it's ridiculous to think of putting
someone in jail for this and and if this
was anyone else other than Trump no one
would be advocating for this person at
his age to be put in prison that would
not be a thing um so I don't see how he
can say someone who's known for like uh
um kind of speaking his truth and you
know can say to his
people yeah they try to put me or they
succeed in putting me in jail but you
should validate them I don't see how
that that I don't even if he said those
words it's going to be on deaf ears or
they're going to think okay he's being
he has a gun to his head so he's being
forced to say these things which would
not be
inaccurate okay then help me understand
why you don't think this escalates to
something deeply
problematic to escalates the violence
just I am very concerned about that I'm
not that's that I very concerned that's
my
concern period yeah no and we should do
this I don't really have a um
I think one of the costs of when you
have an elite population who have spent
Century manipulating and lying to the
populace at a certain point people just
tune them out so I don't know what
happens then I think the other the the
the counter to that is I think people
on both sides broadly speaking the right
and the left are very heavily law by
fting you know even the people who were
causing carage during 2020 were still a
small part of the population and they
were allowed to do this because the
police were were happy to stand down so
I think if violence broke out it
wouldn't necessarily be allowed to play
out as much because it didn't serve a
political purpose um but I think I don't
think the right is as close to popping
off as I fear in my you know worst
moments what makes you think that in
your more sober moments it's not really
kind of um it's not kind of in this in
these bubbling under conversations you
know what I mean they don't really it's
no one's organizing militias no one's
kind of mustering all this other stuff
that it's not really so for that to
happen it it would really look
differently it wouldn't be just this
kind of overnight people are burning
down cities it would be much more
targeted and and I don't see that being
uh uh happening and if it is I think
they're being infiltrated by the feds
but and not with without without cause
right uh if Trump is sentenced to jail
time which I think is going to H I think
he's going to jail don't you I honestly
haven't looked closely enough at this I
don't know I I think there's every
incentive for them to put so they want
him to that is I think the judge was
going to say go to jail and then I don't
know how I'm not a attorney but I think
you have an immediate appeal and it's
going to go to the Supreme Court very
quickly um and I think you know even the
lefties on the Supreme Court are you
know there was all this talk about this
happened about kicking off the ballot
and I said I bet you this gets
overturned by the Supreme Court and I
bet it's gonna be 90 and all these
conservatives like oh my God you're
crazy even the Dei hire even the Dei
hire she's still a judge with a great
reputation who knows the law it was 90
you can't just kick someone off a ballot
so I think if it gets the Supreme Court
which it inevitably will I think they'll
be
extremely reticent to send a president
to prison
um especially during a campaign season
they don't like that they they don't
like upsetting the
appart yeah um Do You Feel Like We are
in and you might not necessarily uh be
bothered by this but do you feel like
we're in Banana Republic territory where
it's just like political law fair not
yet but it's getting
there I mean well when the president's
wife starts running for president that's
Banana Republic territory um so that's
kind of it's it's very kind of
incestuous situations that Brazil with
Christina kersner who and Eva Peron and
all this other [ __ ] uh in Argentina
um I think we got a ways to go I think
here's another example why we're not in
Banana Republic territory eminent domain
the no that's not eminent domain what
I'm talking about asset forfeiture I'm
sorry eminent domain something
completely different yeah eminent we can
take that take the house yes holy crap I
need another Dr wow I really didn't
understand holy [ __ ] eminent okay
eminent domain is the idea that if I
want to build a highway I can take Tom's
house and put a highway through it
separate issue asset forfeiture is Tom's
a drug dealer I think I'm a cop I can
take all his property and then it's
presumptively guilty and you have to
fight back and and prove your innocence
to get it back so it's completely
asymmetrical to you know normal jurist
prudence and as a result of this cops
take more than all other robberies
combined but state after State now is
limiting this so that is a sign that
we're not in a Banana Republic territory
because Banana Republic is basically the
cops decide whereever the laws at a
given moment and you have no kind of
priority property rights or rights in
your property your own person uh uh to
be safe from the police but you don't
think that voting had any influence on
that it did have some I'm just saying
the ability of any individual to impact
it's it's the vote has less impact than
that person who has the politician's ear
so that vote you as a voter will have
much less impact than me as a real
estate realtor being like hey or me as a
donor being like you know what they took
one of my Mansions do you want to get
reelected that's how power really works
interesting so that's really interesting
and seems self-evidently true to be
hugely
impactful uh I don't know if I'm fully
on your team that the public when they
get loud enough it doesn't matter but it
does matter but I'm saying that one you
voting is not going to matter although
if you want to do it more power to you
so but if you matter then you then your
your voice will
matter if you matter your voice will
matter that's very well said it's
indisputable now why then because that's
a freakishly corrupt system it's not
corrupt it's human
nature why are those two mutually
exclusive because the idea that everyone
should have an opinion on everything and
that opinion should be validated is
ridiculous okay so this is I have to
keep uh hold in my mind your frame of
reference uh so you did you feel very
comfortable I think of was Socrates that
basically said democracy makes no sense
because these people are not educated
enough to have an opinion uh no cuz I
don't like that word education in there
because it's easier to train a smart dog
than a dumb one and the educated people
are often the most malevolent um it was
Bonin who was fighting Marx because this
they were the two strains of Communism
in the 1860s and you know Marx had his
totalitarian version and bakunin had his
Anarchist version and bakun is like your
idea of Scientific Socialism which was
what Marxism was presented as is God
help you if you're not a scientist so
very quickly the elite becomes self
validating and anyone who's not part of
this educated master class is by defin
it's funny how um you see these
conservatives being like oh you should
have taken IQ test you know to to be
able to vote it's like who do you think
is going to be administering these tests
and one of the questions will be like
are you if you're not vaccinated you
automatically have a low IQ so they're
just going to have the people in power
are going to have the test run to
maintain their power they're not
interested in having everyone have a say
it makes no why would
they well let me answer that question uh
this is what I was getting at with the
how does a corrupt system yield these
positive results if you can think longer
term then you would because you want a
system that works for you you want a
system that works for your kids and
ideally you want a system that makes you
feel like you have integrity that I'm
voting for something that uh follows my
value system but but Tom have you ever
you've had you you ran an enormous
company I'm sure you have to deal with
lawyers all the time right how does the
law work there's a judge or a tribunal
yep and your lawyer's job is to give the
judge the rationalization for why they
should vote for you right so when I'm a
realtor and I call a politician it's not
like you know what they're really
screwing me man like you got know it's
like no what you're doing is really
hurting blah blah blah they give him an
excuse so he maintain and what he could
say the public so he maintains the sense
of I'm fighting for the good guys I'm
moral person even though it's being
geared toward helping that Realtor
whoever that person is who's calling him
that moment listen I believe in real
politique you have to deal with the
world the way that it actually is and if
you're in the middle of a power game
then you have to play to win yes uh but
at the same time I do believe in being a
person of integrity and I've been put in
enough situations where I could have
made a far easier choice and maybe
nobody would have even known about it
but I would know about it and so I did
I've made decisions that have cost me
tens of millions if not hundreds of
millions of dollars a politician might
not be able to afford that because at a
certain point I'm going to get voted out
going to be a percentage so sure and yes
to the voted out part that's a whole
different thing um and look I am not a
saint remember I look at myself and say
bro it's way too easy for you to end up
being the Nazi guard and not the person
hiding an Frank in their closet you call
yourself bro uh I do yes very much so in
fact uh I distrust myself very um my
emotions will lead me astray so I'm
constantly trying to be very wary of the
things that I will want to do what my
initial impulses will be and on and on
but I think the moments where I seem the
craziest to you are the moments where um
you lose sight of I think that people
can be swayed by ideas and so I'm in the
idea business I'm about trying to get
the best idea out into the world now I
may be completely delusional because of
the asymmetry that you so cruy
introduced me to that uh people can
break someone's mind far easier than
they can build them up but I when I look
at okay how close are we getting to a
Banana Republic I really want people to
go and look I don't have kids but I
still want the world to be better for
the next generation of kids that just
seems like that that is my value system
and I want to live in accordance with my
values so by putting that idea out there
by living according by showing people
you can have a set of values and live
according to them it will make you feel
good about yourself when you're by
yourself and that's the whole [ __ ]
point of life and now like hey what is
the honorable thing here to pursue and I
feel like if nobody talks in that
language if nobody puts forth the idea
of you ought to live an honorable life
you ought to have a goal that is about
not only your well-being you should take
yourself into consideration 100% but
also the well-being of others if nobody
talks about it then people don't have
the the idea to bring into their life
you keep use I don't think anything you
said is crazy first of all you keep
using this word people as if humanity is
homogeneous in terms of their psychology
or their morality that's absolutely
insane that's uh I will I will Define
what I mean by that because of course
I'm uh giving you the Punchy answer I'm
say one sentence because you
demonstrated to the contrary when you
were talking to those inner city kids
and you gave them good ideas and 98% of
them you were Whistling Dixie and 2% of
so that's what I'm talking about okay
perfect that's what I heard and now what
I want to say is it it is univ
I nothing is universal somebody's
mentally ill they're broken right I got
it yeah he implied it we all heard I'm
just gonna move on Mr mes