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the best basis for determining whether a
certain argument is
true is to watch it challenged and
defended inflation is theft it is a tax
on the poor it's a tax on the working
class Trump and Biden did they created a
billionaire a day for 500 Days and
shifted $4.3 trillion dollar from the
American middle class are you going to
be on that debate stage you can't just
say the Democratic party and the
Republican Party get to choose you can't
do that because those are private clubs
it's it's a contribution that is
unlawful you look at president V I worry
I think all of us you know it's like
watching your 5-year-old play on a
jungle gym for the first time you're
you're like oh my God I hope you know he
doesn't fall Trump in four years he came
in and said he was going to balance the
budget he spent $8 trillion which is
more than every president from George
Washington to George W bush 283 years of
History
RFK Jr welcome to the show very good to
meet you thank you so much for having me
Tom it is wonderful as I was telling you
before we started rolling uh I've now
spent about 30 hours researching you
looking for The Smoking Gun where you
come across crazy uh and I haven't found
it so I'm really eager to sit down and
hear the vision for America but I want
to start with you so let me ask what
your your uncle JFK famously said that
the trait that made him um that was his
best trait wasn't courage it was
actually curiosity because it allowed
him to think from his opponent's
standpoint what do you think is your
best
trait yeah my uncle was actually met his
wife uh Jackie who was in Jackie bouier
um and she was a
reporter and she did a kind of a um man
in the street interviews but she would
interview people people in Washington DC
and her
first conversation with him she asked
him what his his his best quality was
and she expected him to say
courage because he you know he was the
only US president who he was just a he
was a congressman at that point but he
was the you know he'd been a war hero
and he was the only US president to get
the purple heart he had a lot of other
commendations um he had written a book
uh polit prizewinning book called
profiles and courage so he clearly
thought courage was a was the quality
that allowed all the other virtues to
function but he he surprised her when he
gave her that answer that he thought his
his greatest asset his greatest virtue
was curiosity and um you know if you
really if you if you study his life you
understand why that is he he um he
understood that if we're going to have
peace which was the critical outcome for
his presidency he told his best friend
Ben Bradley when Ben Bradley asked him
you know what do you want on your
gravestone he said he kept the peace
that um the the primary job of President
of the United States was to keep the
country out of
War he said that he didn't want African
kids when they Hur the United States of
America to think of a man with with a
gun and a uniform he wanted them think
of Peace score volunteer he wanted to
think them to think of the alliance for
Progress usaid these programs he created
to to endr run the oligarchies and the
military dictatorships and give money
funnel money directly to the poor and
Aid in ways that uh would uh would
Foster the growth of a middle class
which he thought was critical
to Dem Ry um so you know
hopefully uh I uh I have some of that
quality I you know I
um I I think it was important for him to
be able
to put
himself in in the shoes of his
adversaries and he thought that was
critical to to to the path to peace and
I think that quality is as critical now
as
ever I mean if you ask me kind
of what my um what the quality that's
kind of got me where I am
today I think I have I have
a I like to think that I have a rational
mind and that I have a lot of
Detachment um that I I I'm not um I'm
not
susceptible to Passion or Prejudice that
I try
to look at problems and understand kind
of The Logical the most logical way of
looking at them and then um and then
once um and then be will always willing
to change your mind about things if if
if the
data tells you otherwise but then I also
have kind of an imperviousness
to to pressure if I believe something is
right I'll stick with it and I'm not
going to change my
mind um based upon kind of social
punishment you know defamations or that
are applied to me or marginalization or
any of those but I will change my mind
always if um if somebody confronts me
with with facts that are that that are
contrary to my worldview do you think
that logical approach is the thing that
is going to make you effective at being
a president in this moment because the
other two candidates are all about
appealing to the
emotion I think that my sort of capacity
to not get Swept Away by emotions or by
ambition um
is uh you know I I think it's a quality
that has made me suitable for this
time because um I think we need somebody
right now I one of the big problems that
we have this a systemic problem is this
divisiveness and the
polarization and we've always had
polarization in our country but it's
aggravated by two things one one is the
stratification of our
society so we were the biggest middle
class country in the world and we had
the best social Mobility when I was a
kid it was if you were poor in America
you were more likely to make it into the
next Echelon or the the upper
classes and any other Western Country
any country in the world America was an
extremely mobile Society if you started
out poor you can make it anywhere today
we are the least mobile of any Western
democracy so if you're born poor in this
country you're more likely to stay stay
poor than somebody in Poland or France
or Ukraine or
wherever and
also um the we're seeing the D the
destruction of the middle class when I
was a
boy America had a middle class and
that's why our democracy worked right we
had this the middle class was the
greatest economic engine ever the
American middle class the greatest
economic engine ever devised and it had
given us all this wealth we owned when
my uncle was President half the wealth
on the face of the Earth and you had you
know all the Americans were in houses
and we had this just explosion middle
class and that stabilized the
country when you see the middle
class when a country loses its middle
class and it's and it's you have these
big gaps in in wealth gaps where you
have an oligarchy above which is what we
have now
and widespread spread poverty below
that's a
configuration that is too
unstable to S sustainably support a
democracy because you end up getting two
political parties and one of those
parties is representing the interest of
the upper class keeping their wealth and
getting
richer and that's not a good vessel for
populism so they're not telling people
that that's what they're up to but
they're using other techniques of
propaganda of lying of fixing votes or
whatever to make sure that people vote
or or division of say pointing out scape
codes um and uh and are you talking
about the right or the left right now it
doesn't matter if you're if you're in a
stratified
Society whether it's a communist or you
know whatever it is where there's
widespread property below and where
there's um where there's great wealth
above MH one of the parties its function
is going to be protecting the assets and
the perquisites and the Privileges of
the upper
class and then you'll have another party
or a lot of parties that are trying to
you know that are representing poor
people but the the the usually the upper
class gets the military and a lot of the
institutions on its side the Press
Etc and it can manipulate a lot of
levers and it has to kind of be honest
about what its objective is so you get
people widespread feeling that people
have been fooled and you get these
divisions and and that's happening in
our country right now so the the
polarization is partially a function of
the Str the economic
stratification but it's Amplified today
by social media because the algorithms
you know what the these algorithms which
are self-learning algorithms and and you
know the the uh uh the the engineers who
design those algorithms really don't
even understand a many case how they
work
anymore because they're learning
themselves and what they learned is the
objective of the algorithm is to keep
eyeballs on the site for as long as
possible because that's how revenues are
generated by that social
media it turns out that people like to
read things that they already believe in
so if you so if you're a Republican and
Democrat you're living next door to each
other and you ask the same question of
Google you you may get two different
answers because the algorithm is
steering to
you information that fortifies your
worldview your existing worldview it's
manipulating you to be sure I'm totally
on board with that the thing though that
I want to Anchor this back on is this
this started from me asking if you
having a rational mind is going to be
thing that that steers us from that so
you've painted a really good picture of
the division how it happens the you
didn't say gen coefficient but that idea
uh as the rich get richer uh and there's
a bigger divide between the Hales and
the Have Nots you're just you're headed
towards violence quite frankly a
historical perspective but what I what I
want to know is um how are you going to
deploy a
dispassionate um evidence-based
methodology to solve in those problems
when first you have to win the election
against people who are going to be able
to speak to the emotional side of people
well yeah I don't want to I don't want
to you know paint a picture of
myself as um as kind of a bloodless
technocrat you know I I feel like my
whole life has been about
um um empathy and uh you know and trying
to
understand people so but I think it's
important for particularly I what I
really was was saying is that's kind of
how I ended up where I am now I became
kind of a social critic of of
um of you know of a a bureaucracy that
is um that's corrupt and that you know
is twisting science and it's twisting
facts and distorting
facts and that I feel like I have a
clear view of what you know I I have a
rational mind so I'm I'm looking at
truth and I'm seeing how it's being
deliberately and systematically
distorted
by um by powerful entities whether it's
the press and that our country really is
not is no longer living up to its ideals
I mean we've been
promoting um regime change abroad and
undemocratic forces and suppressing
democracy and Bo Broad and the same
thing at the same time has been
happening here at
home we've really lost a lot of the
indish uh traditional indish of
democracy sure we have elections
still uh but Russia has elections Iran
has elections China has elections and
you know you look at our country and say
are we really a democracy
anymore or are we really an oligarchy or
even a plutocracy or corporate
kleptocracy
where you know the wealth and
corporations
are really have the power to dictate
policy and that you know regular
Americans have almost no say in the
political
process and uh you know and then
also we have a government now that's
doing things that the American you know
Constitution that are aboring to our
constitution uh it's doing censorship
it's doing surveillance it's doing uh um
you know it's doing uh sort of
compliance exercises that are very very
anti-democratic and I feel like um I
have for some one reason or another that
I have clarity about that and I'm
not it sounds kind of vain to say that I
have a rational mind and you know other
people are irrational and I'm not trying
to say that but I I think I have
I I I feel like I have a really Clear
Vision about what this country is
supposed to look like and what the
values that you know I was was raised
with and that we've departed from those
that vision and those values all right
that is very much what I want to map out
in this conversation um but I really do
want to get into this idea uh one I
would just say uh as somebody who is a
potential somebody who is a voter and
could potentially vote for you I don't I
I love that you're open-minded I love
that you don't overstep and get super
aggressive but if you believe that part
of what makes you worthy of this role is
that you can think through these
problems better than somebody else uh
make as bold of a claim as you want and
then just demonstrate to me that you can
back it up and so one of the things that
drives me mad uh as somebody on the
outside looking at your Canada toy and I
I am in search of the best ideas that's
it I just want to know what's true I
want to know what's effective
and when people are trying to dismiss
you because they they um think that
you're wrong but instead of debating the
ideas they just dismiss you that seems
it makes me distrust them in in a simple
sentence uh I want to see you be able to
debate these ideas the with the people
that are the recognized experts so that
every time I see you get into a debate
on a topic I can tell that there's
layers and layers and layers of um data
points assumptions that your conclusion
is built on I don't know if your
conclusions are right and that's why I
want to see you Collide With People um
but people won't collide with you so one
why is that and since we're filming this
before the presidential debate are you
going to be on that debate
stage well of course I'd like to be on
the debate stage um you know the the
debate commission if the traditional
commission that's been used for the past
30 years was running the debate I
believe I'd be on the debate stage um
but the both the Biden and Trump
campaign have said that they're not
going to use the debate the presidential
debating
commission and they made a side deal
with
CNN and we think the side deal is
illegal and we've we've asked the FEC to
uh take action and we've also filed our
law own lawsuit against
it I'm under FEC rules and and this you
know gets
into the weeds that you know it's not a
particularly great story but under Fe
FEC
rules if you if you don't have neutral
pre-existing criteria for dep for for
determining who will be on the debate
stage and you just choose the two people
that you want to debate and exclude
everybody else is an illegal campaign
contribution and it's the same thing
essentially that got Michael Cohen
locked in jail it's it's a contribution
that is
unlawful so the the FEC rules
specifically say you
cannot U make a
debating who you're you cannot base who
is going to participate in the
debate based upon party affiliation you
can't just say the Democratic party and
the Republican part get to choose you
can't do that because those are private
clubs they're not they're not in our
constitution they're not there just
private businesses and so that's an
illegal contribution and you you also
can't the the person who's staging the
debate if it's a network can't collude
with the with the two political parties
to exclude adversaries and that
apparently according to the Washington
Post is exactly what happen
at President Biden's team got on the
phone with CNN and said you got to have
rules that keep Kennedy off the
stage so now even if if um CNN relented
and said okay you can get on the stage
there's no guarantee that either
president Trump or President Biden would
show up for the debate so I don't have
any control over it I mean I you know I
think it's good for our
country if they include me I think it
will be good for CNN and it's
advertising revenues too because I think
more people will tune
in but I uh you know I I I can't say
whether that's going to happen or
whether it's not going to happen what do
you think about the general idea in
culture right now of um somebody is
undebatable that they're just so far off
the mark that we should completely
ignore their ideas do you think that
from U protecting our democracy
standpoint from moving science forward
standpoint from handling something like
covid better standpoint is that a wise
way to move
forward well I would say that I mean I
think that all ideas should be heard
there may be ideas that are you know so
crazy and so
obviously um
baseless that and
indefensible that uh you know there may
be some red line at some point where you
say you know that is just too
marginalized and and you know Bas us an
oce but generally speaking I'm you know
I I
think democracy functions and our
country is strong because of the free
flow of
information and that as you just pointed
out you don't really you know you don't
have any basis the best basis for
determining whether a certain argument
is
true is to watch it challeng alled and
defended and so I think that's the you
know the healthy way to um and and the
Democratic way to make a determination I
mean I don't think
I I people put me in that category that
you just describe they say my
ideas are so insane that the public
shouldn't even hear
them and um but then if you ask them
which of my ideas are so insane
they can't really name them except
they'll say things that they think I
believe that I never said because
there's so many distortions about what I
have said and what I haven't
said and um so uh but I I don't think
there's anything I say that you know
most 99% of Americans would say that
sounds pretty common
sense um you know but I I'm there's a
lot of pejoratives lied to me that I'm
antia not true I'm anti-science that I'm
racist and I'm anti-semitic and all of
these are you know inventions of people
who want to silence me and if you
actually ask them I'm a conspiracy
theorist what actual what is the
conspiracy that I said I actually said
that you think is a conspiracy that that
one's starting to become a compliment at
this point like the number the number of
conspiracies but people saying that
you're outright lying uh that's one that
I I've heard a lot when you start going
into and and I am not qualified to
debate on the um vaccines but as you
start to wait into those Waters to see
what people say about you it's just that
like it's very rare I'm lying but then
you know nobody really asked the next
question about what what show me the
statement that he
made that is actually untrue because you
know they had these we we found out they
have had these debates
quietly at Facebook
Etc and they had to make up a new
because they they realized like
Instagram took me down for
misinformation for
lying and um and you know I had almost a
million
followers and they said it was because I
was promoting misinformation and lies
and then when we asked them can you show
one post that I've made that is actually
faction
incorrect they are unable to do it
because everything I posted was
either um site it was cited or sourc to
either a peer-reviewed publication or a
government
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a lot and what my PSA to the world would
be to hear that and say okay uh this
conversation even the way that it's
playing out now is just going to be
another round of bites the only way for
the American people to figure out what's
going on is to have these ideal ideas
battled out in a long form public debate
let's find out how much you really know
about this uh so that the general public
can get elected but the part that this
becomes a PSA from my perspective is we
are being treated like we are too dumb
to understand the information and
therefore um misinformation
disinformation and Mal information which
definitionally is it is true but we're
worried that it might cause a problem so
we still don't want it to get out to you
that that to me is so outrageous so what
I would love to see people do is say
once an idea hits a certain level of
cultural awareness it's time to be
debated even if the experts are like oh
this is junk this is throwaway um I
think that
they I'll say within my world they have
a moral obligation to do it I get that's
going to be very controversial and I
don't want to lose people just on that
but it for the public good somebody
needs to step up and spend the time
debating that and that if we don't do
that then we get these conversations
where one media Outlet just throws out
their quips you throw out yours and then
we we never find out like if what side
can withstand
scrutiny yeah I I agree with everything
he said and what I've said is I'll
debate anybody on any these issues I'm
you know I'm uh I just I think that's
absolutely critical that we have those
kind of debates and that again I think
it
it you know the idea of protecting the
public from dangerous ideas is not
something that is should be permissible
in a democracy and you know there's a
lot of stuff that I would characterize
as kind of borderline conspiracy
theories
um uh stuff about you know I I have no
idea whether UFOs exist right I don't
have any
idea I just don't have any information
on them but I don't think automatically
that we shouldn't be hearing about that
right or you know or whether
9911 was some there was something screwy
about that I think we should be talking
about it and even on the election you
know issues
um it's for boat to say that you know
the election was fixed well you know in
in 2001 almost every Democrat believed
that the election was
fixed that you know Gore was won the
presidency and that he was excluded in
2004 i w wrote
a prizewinning an award-winning article
for Rolling Stone saying that that
election that there had been six
counties that have been stolen in
Colorado and I gave chapter and verse
about why I believe that and you know
and a lot of people believed it then and
I still believe it
today I'm at
2016 uh people believe that that Bernie
Sanders got you know that the election
was fixed against them and in
2020 Hillary
Clinton publicly says that that election
was stolen from her so you know we have
I mean the the thing we should fix the
electoral system in this country so
nobody believes that at all we put a man
on the moon we have ATMs on
every block and you know and every city
in this country and they never make
mistakes we have an entire they never
give you too much money right we can
make a machine that can count you know
Las Vegas proves that you know there the
the slot machines never pay you too much
and then you can have a paper
ballot so that um so that if people have
doubts about the machines because
machines can get
hacked you ought to be able to do a hand
count if even a very very low threshold
so that we should be able to solve those
problems but I don't think that you know
we should be
making I believe that Biden won the
election and um but I don't believe that
we should be vilifying and making parias
and marginalizing and ridiculing the
people on the other side who say he
didn't they're not attacking
democracy um we ought to be able to to
their questions Point by point and you
know um and that those debates need to
take place in a democracy and hopefully
they need to take place in a way that's
congenial and respectful and not you
know filled with hatred and fit all and
poison you know we ought to be able to
just have a a you know we ought to have
a debate that's what democ that's what
gives democracy its
power is that you know the the policy
um that ultimately know Prevail in a
democracy are annealed first in the in a
furnace of debate and the idea is that
our our
um you know that they can Triumph in
that market place of ideas and they're
the ones that rise the top and become
policies and that's the big advantage
that um that democracy has on
totalitarian systems totalitarian system
is a much more efficient system in you
know you don't have a whole you got one
guy at the tops and do and you know from
being a business guy right that you
wouldn't want it to you could not have
made all the tons of money that you've
made if if if everything was done by a
by committee you know you um and so
totalitarian systems are much more
efficient they're much more streamlined
they're much quicker to
react and the framers of the
Constitution knew that but they thought
democracy over the long run would have
an advantage because the debates would
give us it's a
Marketplace the same reason China you
know China does great at home because it
can select this business you know it
selects winners and losers so it can
dominate its own Market but I'm not
scared of competing with China elsewhere
in the world because we have free market
system you know or at least we did in
the past
and that's going to eliminate the
efficiencies over long term much much
you know much more efficiently like the
government couldn't have created
Facebook the government couldn't have
alone created you know these other you
know billion dollar
companies you need people who are you
need a Marketplace and we need that
Marketplace for ideas too if our
democracy is going to continue to
function and I you know I'll debate
anybody on any statement I
made and you know we did this when I was
on Joe
Rogan he had Peter hotz who's this you
know what I would call a kind of a a
corrupt uh scientist who's in you know
an Insider in the we call him bi Utes
he's an Insider in the pharmaceutical
industry and he was sitting on the
sideline saying I was lying about all
these things and Joe Rogan said we
debate him and I said I'll debate him
anytime
anywhere and they Joe Rogan I think
offered him
$100,000 and and David Sachs oh the
total got up high I think it was 2.6
million in the end or something like
that bananas and he still passed and he
wouldn't do it so that tells you
something it tells you something that he
that he doesn't um feel confident enough
in his ideas that he can defend
them and you know I I can be wrong about
stuff but I mean I hope right and I and
I've I've
uh I've I have lots of a track record of
doing
this that if somebody calls me out
because I got something
wrong that my reaction to that is to go
back and fix it and say yeah I got that
wrong and here's the right thanks for
pointing that out
in this book the real Anthony
fouchy I say in the beginning there's
2200 footnotes in there and there's a
lot of factual
assertions and I invite people and and I
you know we put a um uh you know the
what do you call the QR code next to
each one so you can look up my source
while you're
reading and um that's really smart yeah
so that people can check me immediately
so and I invite people in the first page
of this book I say if you find an error
in this book please tell us about it
because we ended
up with like 30 editions to that book
and anytime there's a new edition I can
correct an error that's what you do with
errors when you're wrong you acknowledge
it you correct it and then you keep
going but uh you know so I think that is
the way that we're that it's supposed to
operate and that's the way I operate I'm
not going
to stand on a a fact that is that is
wrong that I've been shown that it's
wrong yeah here's an idea that I think
ends up leading people to weird places
is uh they are not recognizing the
utility of Truth and so truth is hard to
identify there's no question about that
but once you understand that your brain
is a prediction engine the beliefs that
you hold about what is true will allow
you to accurately predict the outcome of
your behaviors if your beliefs are close
to ground truth then you'll get the
outcome you expect and if you don't then
something about your belief system is
broken if you update it now you can get
closer to what you were trying to get
and once people understand the utility
of that if they can separate their ego
away from being right and moving it over
to being effective so hey I don't value
myself for um being right I value myself
for identifying the right answer and
putting that into my my thought process
so that I can be more effective in
something so this brings up the whole
idea of value system which I think is
incredibly important now I can't
remember if it and I I by the way I
can't improve on that explanation about
why we should be seeking truth yeah it
is literally just getting to effectively
the scientific method like you're just
trying to figure out I I expect to get
this result I'm going to try a thing did
I get the result no you validate it
exactly and uh
um and you know you if you believe in
empiricism if you believe in the
scientific me method if you believe in
objective
truths then you know life should be just
a search for existential truths that's
why we're here that's what God wants us
to be doing you know to to be looking
for truth and and um and uh uh you know
that right
now the the role of the government in so
many instances is to confuse people
about it and distort the truth and to um
in order to make way
for power and and corporate profits and
and to advance the Amile interests of
these you know the corporations that
they regulate and you have uh time and
again when I say when I talk about about
debating people and getting to the
truth he people say to me well is there
really any truth right and they ask that
question and you're like that's how
confused people are is that they don't
even believe that there's objective
truth anymore that you I will give them
that the truth is so hard to ascertain
that there there is a real thing so I
don't know if you know Ben Shapiro of
course you've been on his show so Ben
Shapiro has the very famous and very
funny statement that uh facts don't care
about your feelings but the reality is
your feelings don't care about fact and
most people are Guided by their feelings
and so if something feels right then
they just believe that it is true and so
they don't have any mechanism by which
they check it to see is this belief
helping me or not helping me and that's
where I think this breaks down because
so many again going back to values which
I really want to hear you speak on uh
people have built a value system that
says Be Right be better be faster be
stronger not be the learner don't worry
about being right worry about having the
right answer answer that you should be
driving towards goals that are honorable
and so now if we're trying to get goals
that are honorable that sort of sneaks
in the idea of well we should do that
efficiently and so now how do we
efficiently achieve goals that are
honorable which I imagine your platform
is going to be chalk full of them but to
set the stage for that I can't remember
if it was your dad or your uncle but one
of them said that uh physical courage is
amazing but there's nothing more
difficult or more important than moral
courage so uh your dad was assassinated
for his political beliefs your uncle was
assassinated for his political beliefs
your character has been assassinated
over and over uh since declaring that
you're running for president you've had
your house broken into I mean just like
on and on the list goes um what is
writing in your value system that makes
you keep marching forward
I mean I you know I think my my dad um
and his parents you know raised us in
this you know with
these um ideas of of
um you know part of it was just the
Catholicism that you know that uh you
know we read the lives of the Saints and
you know they that the
highest uh calling was uh was you know
people who you know the martyrs who
stood up for what they believed in and
died and that's you know en died for
that belief so and then you know my
father after my uncle's death
particularly became very enthralled with
the Greeks with um uh Edith Hamilton he
you know wrote the kind of the seminal
book on uh Greek mythology and he read
aalis he read uh Plato he he read you
know uh um all of
the uh the plays and the the poems of
Angel greed the stories and those are
all about this kind of the elevation of
the American of of the human character
through heroism through you know anying
for something that you believe in I told
I've told told this story on the Lex
Freeman's show that my dad um gave me a
a book a couple of weeks before he died
which was a a book by
C and it was the it's called the plague
and you know my dad had G gave me books
all the time and and poems and asked me
to read them when he gave me this book
he he told me that he wanted me to read
it with this kind of special
intensity and um and then after he died
I didn't read it um before he died but
after he died it became a important for
me to read it so I did and I've read it
a number of times to try to unlock you
know whatever it was that he was telling
those was the last thing that he sort of
request that he made of me oh it had you
know was imbued with kind of special
importance in my mind and the book is
about a a doctor in a plag gidden city
in North Africa it's like Algeria
Tunisia it never says and um and it
doesn't say what the disease is but the
the city is under quarantine nobody can
go in and
out and the plague has a very high
infection fatality rates a lot of people
are dying um there and it's the story
told through the perspective of a do of
a
doctor who is kind of terrified he's
sitting in his his
room and he knows that if he goes out
and treats people that there's probably
almost nothing he can do because nobody
knows how to treat the disease it's
highly contagious so the contact that he
has from treating people is likely to
infect him and he's likely to
die and you know he he's thinking if I
just sit this out
here I may be able to make it through
and then I can do good things with the
rest of my
life um but in the end he goes out and
he does his
duty and even consoling people and
comforting them in their you know in
their their last hours um
he he gets meaning in his life from that
and kamu was an existentialist and he
was kind of a legy of the um of the of
the
stoic tradition and the stoics were and
my father really embraced stoicism and
their hero was uh Copus he was the
iconic hero of stoicism and he's
you know Copus was a hero who was cursed
by the gods to push a boulder up a hill
he pushed up all all day long get to the
top of the
hill his D his his objective was to push
it over the other side but he never
quite makes it to the top when he gets
close to the summit it always rolls back
on him and it mangles him on the way
down and then he has a limp down the
hill all night long he gets to the
bottom and then he starts a new day
pushing it up again and the view of of
most people who hear that story he is a
a cursed man who must be miserable
because it's a miserable miserable
Eternal task to do this
forever but in the view of the snics
Copus was a happy man because he knew
what his duty was and he was performing
it and he was putting his shoulder to
the
stone and um you know I I think I picked
up a lot of that from my father that you
know the world is uh is supposed to be
about struggle that pain is the touched
on to spiritual
growth um that pain that hard work that
self-discipline is the is the objective
ultimately it's our path to truth to God
to you know to
Enlightenment and you know then I also
just had the example
that anybody everybody that I admire in
my life all the heroes that I had from
the past whether it was um you know it
was Charles Darwin
or Alexander the Great or St Francis
vesi or um St Augustine all of
them went through a period a Dark Night
of the Soul when the whole world turned
against them and they lost all their
friends they lost their respect to their
communities um they lost uh all of the
conventional
you know um uh acuts of
success um and and in the material
world and they had to be alone for a
period of time and you know the um uh
it's called The Dark Night of the
soul and when you know but that is
that's kind of
the um that is the the payment for a for
a meaningful life so it you know the
fact that I had a lot of
family um turn against me and Friends
turn against me and you know all and the
press and the media and all of these you
know great political contacts that I've
made through 40 years of life where I
could pick up the phone and call any
Congressman or even the president of the
United States and all of that
disappeared or any CEO in this
country and all of that went away um but
I don't
feel that I need to spend a lot of time
grieving or Mourning that because that's
just part of my path you know that is
you know I'm supposed to push this Stone
up this hill and I feel like I know what
I'm supposed to do I have a real Clarity
and
certainty that what I'm doing now is
what I'm supposed to be doing and that I
that was not getting very much
validation in the
beginning but I I get it that validation
from the places I needed from my wife
from my children and then from Little
voices that are talking all the time you
know it may be just a somebody a friend
that I haven't seen in 20 years who
calls me up and says you know I I love
what you're doing and I somebody you
know the other day said and me who
somebody I've SE haven't seen in in 40
years a person who was a friend of my um
of
my the the wife of a friend of my mom's
um who he was I was the coach the US SK
team and she sent me a picture of
herself I haven't seen this woman in 40
years sitting at a table with a Kennedy
sign on it right and um and then people
who come up and say you know I was I I'd
withdrawn from politics and you're
giving me hope young people come up to
me every day and say you know I had no
hope and now I got hope so now I'm
getting that kind of validation but um
uh um I think for a long time I was
cting almost no validation but it was I
felt but I had the internal Clarity that
I knew what I was doing was important
what exactly are you doing obviously
running for president but I mean when
you get the job what exactly do you want
to accomplish to feel like I got the
boulder up and over the
hill um you know I think I I will go
into office with a clear idea of what my
agenda is than any president
for
um you know probably since Richard Nixon
or uh you know my uncle I think they
probably probably glinton went in with
the with an idea a really clear idea but
I have a very clear idea of what I want
to do I know how to unravel the
corporate corruption the agencies so you
know how do I dismantle this corrupt
merger of state and corporate power and
make government start telling the truth
to people you know in my first day in
office I'm going to issue an executive
order saying any government official who
lies for any reason the American public
will immediately lose their job right
and just say if you're Lon you're
unemployed and or if we can't sue you
because or fire you because of civil
service you're going to get a posting
and Anchorage right and and just be
ruthless about a fishing
that making our country a moral a moral
entity again right and and and
dismantling the war
machine getting us out of Ukraine
getting
um uh and and and solve that you know
and and making peace there and making
and trying to then you know there's so
many issues now that are critical in
foreign
policy um we we need to deal with with
the rise of AI the threat that that that
makes sure that
AI makes the world more democratic that
it makes us more efficient that it makes
us healthier that it gives people
control of their government and not the
opposite you know that it makes us
sicker and gives government you know
allows government to make slaves of us
all it can go either way right I think
this is a great one to hear how your
logical mind is going to approach that
so well I I I can't tell you the details
about how I'm going to approach that I
can tell you that
I um that I that I know what the end
point has to be and that I understand
the huge Perils of AI and the huge
promise of it I also understand the
compl
it that you can't over regulate it in
this country because we can't afford to
drive it away so I want this country to
be the The Hub of AI I want us to be the
Hub of blockchain you know we have an
Administration right now that is making
war on
blockchain in the last two years there's
been 1,200 cryptocurrencies registered
in
Switzerland the capitalization of those
is $360
billion and all the entrepreneurs are
being driven to you know Geneva and to
Singapore and to China and to
Iran and you know and to um and to Dubai
and cutter and those we want those
entrepreneurs here in this country that
the only way out of the $34 trillion
debt you we cannot cut our way out of
that debt I'm going to make the cuts in
the military I'm going to make the cuts
in chronic disease but you cannot $34
trillion right
now we are uh we spend more last year we
spent $1.3 trillion servicing the debt
so that's the cost of paying the
interest on the debt it's more than our
total military budget including the
department of energy and you know
Veterans Affairs and uh and you know the
national security
agencies um and it's it's about eight 8%
of our
GDP so and it's accelerating it's gone
from you know the debt the additional
debt has gone from 2% to 8% of our
GDP within five years 50 cents out of
every dollar we we collect in taxes is
going to go to servicing the debt in 10
years 100% this is existential literally
and we're past the point where we can
cut our way out of
it what we need to do is we need to grow
our way out of it we need to grow our
economy me so that the debt gets
proportionately smaller and so they you
know we we need to do cuts enough to to
balance a budget but then we need to
take that money and invest it in things
that are going to grow our
economy you know if we for example every
every million dollars we
spend on on on
weapons creates two jobs
every million dollars that we spend on
Child Care creates 22 new jobs so where
every decision I make as
president is going to be if I'm going to
spend money how many jobs are GNA we
going to create how much wealth is it
going to create for our country that's
the only thing I'm focusing on how do we
rebuild the American middle class and
the the but we we can't just do it
through cutting and reinvesting we need
new Industries and we need industries
that are going to
explode the same way that Silicon Valley
exploded and got us out of that
jam and though the two most obvious
Industries for doing that are Ai and
blockchain so you know I know I can't
tell you how I'm going to do it I can
tell you I'm going to bring the smartest
people in the world together not big not
the big shots who are going to try to
you know manipulate it so they own
it um but people from every strata who
can come in and meet with me and talk
with me and figure out a way and and
also we need to be talking to president
X and China we need to be talking to I'm
an in in um in Iran we need to be
talking to Putin we you know we we need
to be talking to Israel and all these
other places
about how do we um how do we regulate
this is globally um because it's going
to happen and uh and we can no longer
afford to be you know at war with other
nations all the time we need to figure
out there there are greater threats now
to all of
humanity than one nation against another
there's there's existential threats to
humanity and you know AI is one of them
nuclear proliferation is another
bioweapons proliferation particularly
when it's married to AI is really
terrifying and the barriers for entry
are getting lower and lower every year
so you're going to be able to make you
know lethal bioweapons in your garage
that can wipe out a big part of humanity
um so all right you laid a lot of ideas
on the table I want to start um putting
like a real fine point on some of these
so uh the fact if I'm tracking your
logic well please tell me if I get
anything wrong but um you understand
that the debt is absolutely untenable
we're going to be spending basically
every tax Dollar in the not too distant
future is going to go just to servicing
the debt if interest rates go up get
worse it's 10
years if we stay on the current track
but if interest rates rise it's a lot
faster than that so you know and and and
the interest rates are going to R you
know yesterday two days ago the
Saudis um got off of the Petra dollar
yeah okay and you see the rise of bricks
and that that's going to drive a rise in
interest rates ultimately that we have
no control over so if people
start walking away from the US dollar as
a global Reserve currency as a global
Safe
Haven as a global trade currency if that
happens um that this will be accelerated
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code yeah so uh longtime listeners of my
show will know that my thoughts are
that's just a question of when it's not
if yeah it has happened every single
time an Empire has arisen throughout all
of human history um R alio does a
tremendous breakdown in this so that's
not a question of if it's a question of
when uh so so tracking that um I think
that's super smart you know that we're
going to have to innovate our way out of
this um the question is I know and it I
think would be
um it would be strange to expect you to
know exactly who you're going to put in
place and how you're going to pull it
off but do you have a hypothesis about
what it is that creates the environment
in which innovation can flourish because
the first thing you've said today that
made me nervous uh is that with
government spending you're going to ask
how many jobs do I create which then I
just hear government gets bigger bigger
bigger bigger bigger uh which is
certainly not the song I'm sing no
that's not what I'm saying I'm not
saying I'm going to
do I'm going to increase government
spending but I'm going to say every
dollar that the government spends is
about you know has to be about
um
um uh creating jobs and creating wealth
and um creating private jobs or yeah
private jobs but creating opportunity an
ecosystem that you know that is going to
make return the middle class and
reindustrialize our country what's the
most effective historical system that we
can look to that did that that you think
has a shot in some similar form to well
I mean you know the most the the
historic system was to have a base
currency that you couldn't you know
print fiat currency but fiat currency
had to be developed in order to pay for
Wars and you know there there's good
reasons to to do you know to to uh
there's some good reasons that you want
a limited fiat currency but like you say
every Empire this is the end of it right
the overextension of the military
abroad you know there's a historian
called um Paul Kennedy who's an iconic
historian at Yale and he's written This
brilliant analysis of uh it's called the
rise and fall of the great Empire
it looks at all the great Empires over
the past 500 years the Spanish Empire
the British Empire you know all of
them and every one of them died because
of the overextension of the military
broad the printing of the money to pay
for that and um and then just being
crushed with the with the debt of that
and uh and that's exactly what we're
doing here right now and we've got to
wind back we've got to realize that
we're no longer live in a multi a
unipolar
world we have to recognize a
reality that we we live in a multi-polar
world and there's going to be and that
going to we're going to be
one among many and that doesn't mean
that we're going to diminish our country
it it actually is a huge
opportunity for us to reestablish
America as a moral Authority and as a
leader in the world people want American
leadership they don't want bullying they
and they know the difference and you
know we but we need
to our military budget right
now is based it's not about self-defense
it's not about defending the Homeland
it's about dominating the globe we have
800 bases abroad the Russians have one
and a half the Chinese have
W and those these
expenditures are about domination about
creating a hedgman and this the illusion
that we are the only Power in the world
and you know and it's not working
anymore people are when we apply
sanctions people laugh at us you know
the Russians because of our sanctions
have the strongest economy that they've
ever had they're immune to sanctions now
Putin's more popular than he was when we
started attacking when we attack a
country they get stronger the and it's
it's been catastrophic for our country
um and uh and when we stop doing that
and we we scale back our
military and start projecting economic
power abroad rather than military power
I don't think we should withdraw from
the world I think we should re-engage as
an economic power and we and that plays
to our
strength because we can you know right
now we've spend 8 trillion dollar over
the past 20 years since 20 since uh 911
we've spent 8 trillion dollar on regime
change Wars right and every country that
we've made war in is worse off than we
found it we say we're extending
democracy that hasn't happened like I
give you example of
Iraq we spent $3.6 trillion doll in Iraq
today Iraq is worse off than we founded
we killed more Iraq he and Saddam
Hussein Iraq is not even a country
anymore it's just an incoherent battle
between Sunni and Shia death squads Iraq
is now under the it's in a a proxy
posture to Iran which is exactly the
foreign policy outcome that we've been
trying to avoid for 20
years um we created Isis we drove 4
million immigrants up into Europe and we
destabilize every democracy in Europe
bricks or brexit is a direct result of
you know a straight line of the Iraq War
and the and the Syrian spill over War so
that's what we got for that money 8
trillion during that same
period um China spent 8 trillion we we
spent $8 trillion bombing Bridges ports
schools airports
roads China spent 8 trillion doll
building them and it made friends across
the globe we made enemies it
strengthened its currency which is now
they're moving you on to a you know a
global trade currency
and people are welcoming it and um and
they're now China is now the principal
creditor in almost every nation and
Latin America and every nation in
Africa and you know we're hated all
around the world and people don't want
us as a partner because we're a bully on
the
playground and but I'm not scared and
China doesn't want a war with us Hot War
they spend a third a quarter to a third
on their military that we spent
they don't want a war with us they they
want competition they want domination
but they want it on economic Landscapes
and I'm not scared of that and I think
that plays to America's strength because
we can out compete them in all of these
sectors if we project economic power
abroad rather than military power and
this one my uncle did and he did it very
successfully when what does the plan
look like what what does the plan look
like well the plan is to cut during my
first four years in office to cut the
military in half and that
that's that cuts it back in real dollars
to what we call the Eisenhower minimum
which was the the the budget in
proportion you know in in $
2023 the same amount being spent as we
were spending during the height of the
Cold War okay there the height of the
Cold War why do we need to be spending
more than
that so um and and you know then we were
promised in
'92 that it was going to be cut from 600
billion to the military budget to 200
billion and we were going to get a peace
dividend and of course that never showed
up instead we raised it to now you know
what it is it's not in real dollar it's
n $950 billion stra military budget but
when you add in the NSA and the
doe it's about $ 1.3 trillion dollars
and so I I'm I'm going to cut the
straight military budget from 950 to
about um uh
500 during my first four years and then
continue to look for cuts thereafter and
we're going to end up with a stronger
more effective military we're going to
end up with more targeted
military and one that's much more
efficient around the world but we don't
need to be the policeman of the globe
and we've got to relinquish that job and
we got to let other country we got to
stop overthrowing democracies we got to
stop murdering public officials we got
to start allowing other countries to
govern themselves without our coercion
and we are it's going to strengthen Us
in every way around the globe we're
going to be a stronger country we're
going to restore our our status as the
moral Authority around the
world and we're going to be a lot richer
now the the real strength of a
country um comes from you know from a
healthy population from a robust economy
from you know strong economy at home
that's how you that's how you uh that's
where the real National strength comes
from and we and we're holled out now you
know a strong middle
class and a sense of mission and purpose
that's you know we're and we're we're
sick we're the sickest country in the
world we have the highest chronic
disease burn in the world we have have
you know we have addiction crisis we
have suicide we have mental illness
crisis we have a whole population that's
obese it is depressed that is alienated
uh we got a generation of kids coming up
60% of them have chronic
disease they're plagued by you know and
and none of them are going to get in the
house and you know you watch the
demoralization that happens then when
you know it's immoral what we're
doing spend we're borrowing money to pay
the interest on the
debt that is a sin that is a moral issue
the fact I want you to explain the fact
that our children are going to live
worse than we did that is why is that
tie to the debt most people are not
going to understand that what people
will not understand how that's tied to
the debt so uh that people don't
understand how debt is stealing from
your children that doesn't compute for
them walk people through how because
inflation is a
way when you just print money and then
you know our money our our
money most Nations that did what we did
which is just to print money as much as
they wanted to over spend can you
explain to people what money printing
actually is you don't need to give them
the mechanism but I most people do not
understand I'm I'm going to call it
theft it be super curious It's theft of
course it's theft it's and it's theft
from anybody who
has
um anybody who has a fixed income
anybody who has uh sort of fixed uh it
depends on a
salary or social security or
whatever that money is being inflation
is theft it is a tax on the poor it's a
tax on the working class and that money
is is sent upwards and that's why we
have this new oligarchy billionaire
and the worst part is when they did it
you know they the coua grage the
American middle class was during the
covid lockdowns that Trump and Biden did
they created a billionaire a day for 500
Days and shifted $4.3 trillion dollar
from the American middle class to this
new kleptocracy that we have right and
uh and you know uh it's theft so
normally if you if a if a
if you had a base currency which is what
our currency used to be it used to be
gold okay and for every dollar that you
you spent it was redeemable you could go
redeem that in coin either get four
quarters that were actual real silver or
you could get gold or whatever from Fort
Knox and the country legally kept a
reserve that was equivalent to the money
that was being printed so the money was
represented each dollar represented a
real asset that had a True Value which
was the gold at Fort KNX a finite Supply
there was no way there was a finite
Supply so that's that so uh so we
changed
that you know we in a number of time I
mean we we uh in we created the FED in
1913 and then uh we created and then the
Breton Woods
conference in 1972 we completely
detached our money from the gold Supply
so the Nations that borrowed American
dollars could no longer redeem them in
Gold they just could redeem them in
treasury bombs or more
dollars and um and that was really the
start of the crisis because if you're a
government and you want to make war
there's lots of pressure on our
government to make war all the time
because you know the the people who are
donating to the political
parties are the biggest owners are like
Black Rock cine Vanguard and they own
the military contractors they own the
big engineering firms that get to
rebuild these countries afterward like
Beckel or
whatever they own north of gramman and
you know locki Martin and Boeing and all
the other big military contractors so
they're pressuring Congress to keep us
in a conate of
War but the only way and under under the
old system when was when you didn't have
fiat
currency um the politicians would have
to go to the public and
say uh we want to make war on Sadam
Hussein it's going to cost $3.6
trillion we want Congress to approve it
and you know we're going to tell you
this is what it costs and we're going to
have to that means that a lot of you are
not going to be able to pay your
mortgage you're going to have to you
know make big sacrifices you're not
going to be able to send your kids to as
great a school this is money that's
actually being taken from you in taxes
up front and guess what there would be
no Wars because nobody would approve it
yeah but now that we have these wars
because they don't ever have to do that
they they don't even have to go to
Congress to get the wars approved now um
they just start start a
war they send the money over they get
the press all on their side and you know
they invent a super villain and we have
these comic contest and it's us to the
rescue and it's you know
and and they spend all the money and
they just print new money to pay for it
well that money then because they're
printing money the money that you own
there's it's not finite anymore as you
pointed out it's
endless and every dollar they print
diminishes the dollar that are in your
pocket right
now most countries could not do what
we've been doing
which is to print this vast amount of
money and then also have trade deficits
where there's much more money going out
much more
Goods coming into this country we're
using that that money to buy goods from
other countries because we don't produce
anything anymore and we were a trade
surplus until the Vietnam War the
Vietnam War in order to pay for the
Vietnam War Nixon created the Brad and
woods conference and detached the dollar
from gold
because that is you know that was the
only way they could pay for that
war and uh and so since then
because we are the global Reserve
currency and we are you know regarded as
a safe investment what happened is that
the money leaving our country and other
countries
essentially financed our debt so
Japan um would buy US Dollars and keep
those in its Central Bank and China was
buy buying US dollars they were
essentially loaning us the money and
then uh and buying treasury bonds and it
preserved us from having runaway
inflation which we would have had years
ago with the illusion that the dollar
actually continued to have value the
same value because so many people wanted
it but now those countries are done
they're starting China is starting to
sell off its
dollars um we're no long we are quickly
losing our status as a gr Global Reserve
currency that's not going to happen
overnight it's going to happen over a
long period of
time but we're now going to have to
start to pay the prop Piper and
inflation is uh you know um is already
you know President Biden says that
essentially that it doesn't exist
but you know I spent a lot of time
talking to Americans and they it's the
biggest thing on their mind and they're
watching you know the $4 milk the $4
bread the $6 gasoline and most of all
they're watching that houses are no
longer affordable the housing costs have
gone I think from
$223,000 average two years ago to about
$455,000 today and um inflation or and
the interest rates have gone from three
to up to 7% and that means that houses
four or five times the price of what it
was two years ago and two years ago
people were having trouble affording
them and that's part of the problem you
know inflation's part of the reason for
that but it's inflation demoralizes an
entire Society it crushes the soul
because you can't make money you get a
raise and it's just an illusion and you
realize it three months later oh that
raise just a
disappeared and people can never you
know people are are are struggling
they're pedaling as hard as they can and
they're going
backwards and when that happens people
stop believing in
themselves they start Stop Believing in
their government they stop believing in
their Community they get angry and they
get violent and and worst of all they
don't know why they aren't going to be
able to attract it to exactly what's
happening okay so one of the things I'm
trying to do as I listen to you is map
out the base assumptions that drive your
world so it's an idea that I came to my
business partner and I would
occasionally get an arguments and I
would think man he's a and he
would think man he's a and I
thought hold on we're both smart
well-intentioned people so what is it
that causes us to think the other person
is just out of their mind and what I
realized was we just had different base
assumptions about how the world worked
so I watched an interview with you and
Dave Smith it was a the clearest example
of two smart well-intentioned people
that have different base assumptions and
so they end up yelling at each other in
a respectful way you guys navigated as
well I think we did pretty well very
well but but it was it was very heated
uh because you guys aren't talking about
the the just base Assumption of you know
what's at the core of this so what I
want people to be able to hear and all
the things that we just laid out are the
base assumptions that are driving your
thinking so one base assumption I hear
is that uh we have have to get a new
middle class going so we're we're going
to do whatever it takes there um to
overcome the inflation we have to
innovate so because I should have said
debt to overcome the debt uh which if we
just keep printing to overcome the debt
we get inflation so to deal with that we
have to innovate to innovate we have to
start relaxing some of the you may
didn't say relax regulations I'll say
that but you did say we have to be
thoughtful as we regulate these new
technologies like Ai and blockchain so I
think we have to I think there's a war
on blockchain right now I agree and that
we it's not just deregulating it's a
complete 180 degree pivot we need to
embrace
blockchain we need to make it
transactional we may need to make you
know Force the banks to take it um we
need to you know we need to encourage
people Americans to use it and to
understand that it's their hedge against
inflation it's their ticket to a future
and uh and so I would say not only to
deregulate but you know completely pivot
and and uh instead of you know hostility
toward it we need to we need to be
encouraging so that's interesting so
what what is the so I have a base
assumption uh that spills into a moral
value which is I believe that people
ought to have the right to an inflation
resistant uh store of wealth maybe
currency's better but as a word but I'll
just stick with store of wealth for now
so as you have already eloquently
covered the US dollar is not that
because the US dollar literally Fiat
means by decree so by decree we can just
make as much of that as we want and
again as you've already said as we print
more what you're holding becomes worth
less whereas take gold or take Bitcoin
gold does technically inflate at about
2% a year so I'll use Bitcoin yes I'm a
fan of Bitcoin but I don't say it for
that reason I say it because it it just
has an an absolutely limited Supply
there's no way to make more so you have
a completely finite Supply in Bitcoin
which means if you can save in Bitcoin
without the government being absurd
which they are currently being absurd
and man right now do I hope I'm speaking
to the Future president so I can really
loby heart here uh but that if if we
have I believe we ought to have the
right to to be able to save in that or
another uh store of wealth that cannot
be inflated and that that right shall
not be infringed because the deranging
effect of somebody being able to reach
into my bank account and literally dial
down how much it's worth is insane like
that's a level of offensive that it it
just it breaks my relationship
government fat currency is immoral it's
theft and it's and it is tyrannical it's
antidemocratic
it is oligarchical it it is has every
and it's it's warmongering it has like
it is uh you can make the case that it
is evil uh you know so so how do you
deal with it because you're going to
come into a regulatory environment
that's gonna fight yeah I I think we
need to have off ramps which I think you
know um Bitcoin particularly I think is
important off ramp so
that Americans can get a um access to
currency that is not going to devalue
with inflation I think everybody like
you said has that right and then I think
we need to encourage it to make it more
transactional there's there's you know
I've heard a million ideas that are
exciting about how to do this I want to
have 100 people looking at those ideas
and say Here's the
pitfalls one of those ideas is to issue
new um a class of treasury notes um that
you know not all of them but a class
that has is maybe 1% based currency and
maybe you increase that every year so
the next year it's 2% the next year it's
3% my uncle tried to do this when he was
president he because he saw the evils of
fat currency that perils the dangers of
it and just before he died he issued
silver certificates and gold
certificates and this was a new you know
class of dollar that was redeemable in
gold or silver so that Americans would
have that choice to be able to transact
in a base currency to be able to save a
base currency that could not
be as you say so eloquently with that no
government official can reach into their
bank account and and dial back the value
of their currency a very good way to put
it that's exactly what's happening now
would you as president be comfortable
with people
um using Bitcoin to pay their taxes yeah
I would encourage that you know it has
to
be it's very complex because it at some
point during their
lifespan they uh cryptocurrencies act as
Commodities and other parts they act as
Securities and so there's no um there's
no system now that can adequately
regulate them they have and all a sudden
there's a problem with for example
Bitcoin um I think we should be able to
um people should be able to transact in
Bitcoin without paying a capital gains
tax you know if it increases in value
yes please there's a problem as there
are with all there's a technical problem
and because right now Bitcoin so much
Bitcoin is owned
by you know big investment house like
black rock or
billionaires and that would be a huge
will um uh
windfall for those entities and that you
know itself would be somewhat
undemocratic so maybe there's a way to
do it where you say you know in smaller
transactions uh that it's
not um it's not tax
but the large but but keep the tax on
the the capital gains tax on the larger
accretions of Bitcoin I'm not sure
exactly how to do it but I I think we
have to figure out something like that
so that just from a political
palatability you you can't pass a a law
that is going to you know be a a
trillion dollar gift to to billionaires
so you know we have to figure out a way
around that but I think there are ways
to do it and are you comfortable with
the if if people really did switch over
massive amounts of their net worth
you're never going to get everybody but
a massive number of people switching
their entire net worth over to something
that the government doesn't
control yeah and I think in some ways
it's the only way to save the dollar if
we have you know we integrate
Bitcoin um into it uh so I I don't think
I think we need you know you don't want
the the dollar to collapse overnight but
I think the dollar is going to
collapse and I think the way the pathway
out for the dollar and also for
individuals For the Working Poor in this
country the middle class is to be able
to um create some wealth for themselves
with Bitcoin I mean and there's all
kinds of you know
David uh or or Bill Amman um has this uh
scheme for giving uh every child born in
this country
$10,000 um or you know the equivalent of
around at it's $20,000 a birth if they
graduate from high school they get that
money and then you know they can spend
it over time and maybe you do something
like that with um with uh uh that you
integrate you know crypto Bitcoin or
some kind of then talk talk to me about
education because if you do that it it
will be pointless people will piss that
money away unless we actually start
teaching people things that I think that
we should be teaching them in high
school like you graduating from today's
high school is not going to prepare you
to do anything intelligent with that
money yeah if on the other hand you
actually teach them what money is that
it's your stored energy over time right
that uh that this is a thing that can be
invested getting them to understand
investing principles like well I I think
listen I'm not end say um uh amman's
um proposal it's an interesting proposal
because it does exactly that what it
does is it puts that money in the hands
of people when they're young but they
can't actually actually cash in till
there till much later in life and I
think there may be you know guard rails
about I think at one point his plan was
like it was your retirement plan yeah
retirement plan but it maybe the
retirement plan but what
it puts you in charge of of making
decisions to grow that money which I
love I just want people to actually be
educated it incentivizes people to
actually you know develop their
financial intelligence
and understand where you invest it and
it gets people talking about it and it
gets them and I think that's good for
our country because our country you know
is based upon this model that everybody
here unlike any other country in the
world everybody was an entrepreneur
everybody was a
capitalist and the more that we
encourage that they they did they have a
system like this in Australia that the
people who are proposing this like acman
are using as a model that's worked very
very well there these are all ideas that
I think are exciting I don't know enough
about them I haven't heard the criticism
on the other side so I need to do a lot
of that but I want to do those kind of
Innovations you know that the the
Innovations with you were one of the
things that really excites me so one
just going to throw it out there for you
to ignore but would it be cool if you
invited the public in Via camera just to
hear some of these arguments and some of
these debates would be extraordinary for
us to all go along with you and get that
education but okay so uh the fact that
you want to do blockchain I find utterly
fascinating talk to me about how
blockchain could help with transparency
of budgets I thought this was
genius well I you know I think um I
don't know whether we put the whole
Budget on black chain blockchain I I
that's why I would I would
love to have a a a budget my objective
is to have a budget that's completely
transparent and I think we can use a
um a uh combination of blockchain and AI
to do that to make it so that it's easy
to comprehend that so you use AI to do
like a
pre-digestion well for I'll give you an
example the um the Pentagon budget just
came out a couple of days ago and it was
uh and it failed its audit for the 20th
time in 20 years right so it cannot be
audited this is what they've concluded
it cannot be
audited they lost $4
trillion and that is material that they
don't know if they have it or they
don't and there's all these instances of
them buying buying things because that
they think they have an inventory but
they can't locate it so they buy the
same product the same thing over and
over and nobody knows where anything is
so you would use AI
crawlers to go through you know their um
uh uh their supply
Depots and identify everything and
figure out where everything goes I mean
this what right and then on it makes you
more efficient and
then to put everything up on blockchain
or in some form where everybody every
American can read every item that's
spent and if somebody spends $116,000 on
a toilet
seat we know right away and if if people
are doing Monkey Business you know
clearly there's you know what's
happening to Ukraine right now there's
no auditing you send 50 billion over to
the most corrupt country in the world
again every year it wins that prize the
most corrupt country in the
world and we're sending you know another
60 billion over there and with no idea
how they're spending it so you
know we're just burning money and and
the America I think we can identify the
inefficiencies we can identify this
stuff that we should not
be I I'll give you an example the GAO
and the and the and the which the
general accounting office and the CBO
the Congressional budget office do these
reports on waste every year and they
identify like the most
egregious um programs in government the
the stuff you know like Anthony fouy was
studying you know how fast you can kill
a beetle a beagle with you know with
some kind of a parasite like you know
putting a this really terrible stuff
that we the government shouldn't be
doing right and um and that everybody
would be outraged if they knew the
government money was being spent on it
so the GAO does a study every year and
that study identifies the most ways with
programs in government and the studies
are about this thick and then that study
is put on the shelf and nobody ever
looks at it yet so what I would do is
take all of those studies and get AI
to identify um you know the the stuff
that we don't need and they and and put
it up on blockchain so every American
can look at it and understand you know
the ideology of
it and then I would I I'll take the
worst of those
programs put them all in a single
Bill and then send that bill to congress
with an up or down vote
right so you're taking the 400 worst
programs in
government and you're show giving them
to Congress and say you vote on the
whole thing we get rid of every single
one of these things that's what we did
with the base closure commission you
know and it worked it was the only way
they could close all the
bases because each Bas is is um you know
is Goring somebody's Ox every time they
there's somebody out there who wants
that
base and you they needed to put them all
in one bill and and have an up or down
vote and you know and that's the only
way to win it but we can do that with
wasteful
programs oh and I think using Ai and
blockchain to identify the crazy stuff
you know helps you get there yeah okay
so a lot of people think that it is
impossible for you to win this election
that you are a spoiler what are your
best kill shots for Trump and Biden
you mean how do I win yeah at a policy
level what do you have to convince the
American people of to open their eyes
and see that should just we're done
there it is vote for me well I have I
mean what what I need to convince people
of is that I can
win because if I can win if they think I
can win that I will win because they all
the polls show that they want to vote
for me but they're not voting for me out
of fear because they think if they vote
for me
Trump Biden's going to get elected and
the Republic's going to be over or
Trump's going to get elected but if you
you know in terms of
favorability um I I beat both of them in
every
poll um in terms of you know the people
who the number of Americans who want to
vote who want to vote for me and so they
all like you so much they what is it
that they don't believe that you can't
get enough other people they don't
believe that I can get enough supp to
win based on what polls so they're
seeing a poll that says well no I mean
if you if you look at a regular poll
that's a three-way raise between me
buying at
Trump I'm going to get around 15 or 16%
you know the the high one's 27% the low
ones
10% um and you know one thing that I
only need to get to 34% to win it's a
third three-way
race um but
you know people think oh he can't get
there so therefore voting for him is
throwing away my vote so I have to vote
for Trump or Biden to keep the other guy
in and they're voting out of fear
whereas I need them to vote out of Hope
now here's kind of the good news is that
in a head-to-head race and this is every
poll that's been done on this issue but
the biggest poll is this augy
poll which is the the most accurate poll
that's been done this entire race
because it's 26,000 people it's 10 times
the the the typical poll usual polls
like Quinn Pak gab harbard Harris New
York Times SI are usually about a, to
2200 people soby did a poll 50 states
26,000 so more than 10 times the typical
poll and it has a margin of error of
almost zero and and what they they asked
the question that is rarely
asked in a head-to-head race me against
Biden who wins well I win in a landslide
I win 39 states he wins 11 W and I had
tohe race me against Trump who wins I
win but much narrower only by about
three or four electoral votes but I
still win Biden can't win no matter
whether I'm in the race or not if I stay
in the
race I'm Biden loses if I get out of the
race he loses worse he loses two extra
States main
Virginia so you know berer Biden is the
spoiler because the definition of the
spoiler is somebody who cannot win and
and is disrupting the expectations of
somebody who can well I can win he can't
so I'm not a spoiler he's the spoiler
well so it's interesting from the time
that you came on my radar until now uh
my sense of the playing field has
changed pretty dramatically so talk to
me about there's there's two wild cards
on the table as far as I'm concerned uh
what happens with Trump's conviction do
swing voters say no I just can't I can't
do it or does that actually help him and
then Biden is from a cognitive decline
standpoint is just getting MD so hard
there's no Universe in which that isn't
having an impact and of course
everybody's starting to prognosticate
that they're going to pull a Switcheroo
and swap him out with somebody yeah um
if you can comment on those two things
I'd love to hear it I you know my
feeling
and I had this feeling prior to Trump's
conviction that if he gets convicted
it's going to help
him and you know he was uh
behind uh
DeSantis very early
on and as soon as they filed the
lawsuits against him he pulled he was 15
points behind sand as soon as they filed
the lawsuit he pulled
ahead the Democrats are stupid the DNC
is a very stupid group of people
and they they make very very big
strategic blunders and they you know one
of their strategic
blunders was to keep was to bet all of
their chips on President Biden and not
just have a primary where they chose the
best candidate to beat Donald Trump you
know instead they they um they chose a
candidate who has all of these very very
clear cognitive deficits and you know
Americans you look at president B I wor
you know every time I I see him on TV I
think all of us you know it's like
watching your 5-year-old play on a
jungle gym for the first time you're
you're like oh my God I hope you know he
doesn't fall or
something but the the bad part of it
is if you look at this this man and you
know we're right closer now to nuclear
exchange than at any time since
1962 and you know the the Russians today
fired I think two or three missiles off
the shore of
Cuba and and they're they're talking
about nuclear war and the Russians have
2 200 more weapons than we do they have
better
defensive weapons than we do um
the latest Pentagon report show that if
in a nuclear exchange that we would
lose 90 million Americans within the
first 24 hours and 90 million over 6
months after nuclear exchange you know
so it's just and you don't have anybody
in the White House who seems to be
thinking this through it's like a bunch
of it's Tony blinkin who was on stage in
Kiev the other night playing a guitar at
a concert while 500,000 kids are dying
you know down the
street and he's in a rock concert in the
end he stands up like the hero and says
we will never abandon Ukraine
right these are there no there no adults
in the room and you and then you say
President Biden is the guy who has the
football he has to make the call they
wake him up at 3:00 in the morning you
have six minutes to make the call six
minutes to decide whether to retaliate
to send the missiles up and during that
six minutes he's being pushed by six
Secret Service men through a hallway at
at as fast as he can go you know through
one of the the tunnels below the White
House which I've been
in and they're pushing him to the
bunker so you know is this he is to make
a call that's going to affect all of our
children all of humanity and you know
don't you want somebody who's on the
ball and who's thinking this through and
who's uh you know just not cognitively
impaired to do that do you think he's
such a liability to the DNC that replace
him I don't know I I don't make those
kind of predictions because I have no
idea what they're what they're doing now
it seems irrational and crazy to
me every step they've
made it seems crazy to me well I know
you hate making these kind of
predictions I'll make one attempt to get
you on my team here so we started with a
quote from your very famous Uncle uh who
was trying to explain the importance of
being able to think from your opponent's
standpoint yeah and so look when you
predict the future you're going to be
wrong when you live by the crystal ball
you end up eating glass like I totally
understand that you end up being you end
up eating glass yeah okay I like so yeah
uh so that I understand but what and and
I'll go first so that if we end up
looking ridiculous fair enough um I
think Biden has from and I'm obviously
of a certain generation I get my
information in a certain way so I just
see the memes uh the meme energy has
shifted and seeing the mainstream media
shift I one of two pathes before us
either they are so cynical that they
want him to get
reelected and they want him to get
reelected so that he's just a face and
that they whoever they are are
controlling everything or they're like
woo we're we're now losing the meme
battle um even the people that were with
us before are now mocking us uh we're
going to have to swap out and that that
has been going around enough that as
long as they swap him out with somebody
that is an already known entity I think
then they um they would have a shot they
they'd have a better shot for sure from
where I'm sitting because I can't like
the the one thing I'll just say I cannot
vote for somebody that has that level of
cognitive decline were you gonna vote
for him if he uh if he didn't have that
level of cognitive
decline I would then investigate his
policies because he has cognitive
decline I Ruled him out okay so uh I
would have been open to it yes so I was
um I my big hot button thing there's two
my the thing that comes the closest to
my single uh issue voter is the debt and
how we treat that uh but both Trump and
Biden are Reckless with printing money
reck they just they both Trump in four
years he came in said he was going to
balance the budget and then in four
years he ran up 8 trillion he spent $8
trillion which is more than every
president from George Washington to
George W bush 283 years of
History President Biden is now going to
beat him if he stays on track he's
running up a trillion dollars every 90
days adding a trillion dollars and
neither of them are gonna are gonna deal
with it you know it's really it's so
selfish and it's so shortsighted and so
insane and yet you know president B
just uh you know he's bring money and
you know trying to to use it to get you
know to buy the election essentially you
know giving these new programs that are
wonderful to you know forgive all
student debt you know I think student
debts crisis and I have a plan for
dealing with it but just forgiving it
all is just a way of adding the debt
that is is going to land on those kids
um and uh you know in our country it's
not it's not patriotism it's something
else I'm also terrified by his border
policy how would you approach
that I would shut the border I would I
would close it down immediately and you
know I've been down there and met with
all the law enforcement people the board
of Patrol local law enforcement and I
know exactly what I'm going to do um how
much can you tell us well I I there
there's obvious things you can do
there's infrastructure things there's
personel there's policy infrastructure
is you need to complete the TW there's
27 gaps in the wall you don't need a
wall all all the way from Brownsville
Texas 2200 miles to San Diego uh you do
need a wall in the urban areas where
immigrants can disapp appear immediately
so you need to there's 27 holes in that
wall and we need to patch them all and
then there's also a lot of other
infrastructure that the Biden
Administration took down the
longdistance cameras the Night Lights
the sensors why do you think he took
those down I think I think and this is
the most innocuous interpretation of why
he took it down because there's a lot of
sinister and nefarious interpretations
but I think it was political
pettiness I think he just you know he
campaigns against Trump's wall and so he
wanted a complete 180 that's what I
think but I don't know and uh even
that the tragedy that's happening at
that border every day is uh so
Monumental and momentous you know
they've L probably 9 million people
across and they're you know it's not
humanitarian for them it's it's
humanitarian crisis and a humanitarian
Cris for everybody but particularly for
Working Poor in our country who are
getting destroyed by it you know the
social safety net is getting
crushed in New York City um on randle's
island the playing field the kids kids
weren't allowed to play during covid and
there was a lot of scholarship
trajectory kids in high school who lost
their lot lives and um and you know
their expectations about life and about
being able to play college sports
and now they can't play sports because
there's encampments for these migrants
on the playing fields that's what
they're using them for so it's just you
know it's mindblowing and every every
fact you add to
it I watch 300 people come across
between 2 a. and 4:00 am. in
Yuba and the border of Patrol nine
border of Patrol uh men have committed
suicide in the last year because they're
so demoralized because they're not
allowed to do their jobs they're instead
of borring people from entry they're
processing them they fingerprint them if
they don't have a criminal record they
bring them to the Yuma Airport they put
them on any on a plane to any
destination that they want and if they
don't have the
money because the cartels have stolen
their
money then the border of Patrol buys
them a ticket and gets reimbursed from
FEMA and we're paying for this we're
paying tens of thousands of dollars for
every migrant that comes across we're
paying people to invade our country
country and um and then they go to New
York or whatever City and they you know
and they're taking advantage of by
predatory employer they have a they have
Asylum date seven years in the
future maybe they'll show up maybe they
won't but it's 7 years so and
they and you have predatory employers
who are you know paying them six or 10
bucks an hour and they're competing that
employer is competing against human
Union shops for jobs so that means the
union workers who could to actually be
part of the middle class are not getting
the
work and um it just it's infuriating
what they've done it's infuriating and
you know I could give you a lot more
details but I it just it makes me steam
when I think about it what they need to
do is fix that infrastructure including
the fences that were taken down and the
access roads um you need to
begin enforcing the migrant Mig migrant
protection act which is the act that
requires immigrants from other countries
who come to
Mexico try to come through Mexico with
an asylum claim that they remain in
Mexico till their Asylum claim is
adjudicated and that was the law that
you know the Biden Administration
changed and then the Catch and Release
um policy should be changed to catch and
return and then you need Personnel
changes finally you need we need 300
Court judges on the border adjudicating
case right there
immediately and we need about 3,000 more
uh border patrol because there's been a
big attrition because they're so
demoralized so uh you know I'll do that
on all that
stuff beginning on day one I'm going to
do something else which I I I don't
think any Republican or Democrat can do
I'm going to order the state department
and the uh um
and the post office to begin issuing
passport um passport cards to any
American who can't afford one for free a
passport card is a
federally uh you know issued government
photo ID it doesn't have your medical
records it's got nothing else just a
photo ID like a driver's license this is
absolutely critical and the reason is
there are tens of millions of Americans
who don't have driver's license so they
have no government it should photo ID
and they're mainly Democrats they're
elderly people who have lost their
license you know who no longer drive
there are students who don't yet have a
license and tend to vote V Democratic
and
their and their minorities in cities who
don't need a
license if you don't have driver's Li
and so the Democrats you know and this
is why the Democrats don't want a
requirement of photo ID at the voting
booth because if you require that
there's a lot of Democrats who don't
have that ID and they're not going to
get it they're not going to go pay 60
bucks and wait in DMV at the nightmare
you know of DMV for the whole day when
just to vote they not going to do it and
um and if you don't have a government
issued photo
ID you are a second class citizen you
can't open a bank account you can't
visit your kids school you can't check
into a hotel you can't take an airplane
and a lot of other stuff um so I'm G to
make sure everybody has a photo ID and
what will this do number
one our team has met with the the most
important civil rights leaders people
like Andrew Young and uh Reverend Al
sharp and and they've said if I do this
that they will withdraw their objection
to to the requirement to show ID at the
voting booth so that diffuses the
tension into one of the most um uh you
know
volle uh debates between Republicans
Democrats number two people now are
going to have a better life because they
have an
ID and number three there's a there's
laws in this country that make it
criminal offense for an
employer to hire an undocumented
alien there's a loop oh the employer
only has to check a box that says I saw
their social security
card social security cards don't have a
photo on them they're easily fabricated
and on some work sites in New York
they're passed hand to hand and the
employer says I saw it checks the box
and then he pays them in cash right oh
he know he's he's escaped liability what
I'm going to say is you
cannot get hire somebody in this country
it's a criminal offense and you're going
to go to jail if you hire somebody
without seeing their gmin photo
ID and that will shut down most of the
Border 90% of it overnight by killing
the incentive because nobody's coming
here if they know you cannot get a job
in the United States if you don't have a
gmin photo idea and there's no way to
get that yeah so if I had to make a bet
as to what's going on it could be a
little bit of political um pettiness on
the Biden administration's part but I
have a feeling this is more about
pathological compassion so what do you
say to the people that are going to be
horrified that I mean these people are
seeking a better life and that's what
America is about and that's what's
written on the Statue of Liberty and uh
why are you effectively caging them up
in South uh technically North and South
America but um why do that first of
all um I I mean first of all no Nation
can survive if it doesn't close its
borders if we we we need an orderly
immigr ation policy that is
compassionate that you know that leads
with compassion and we do that in this
country people who have Asylum claims
automatically get in if they can show
that they have an authentic Asylum claim
so we lead with
compassion you need to be able to
control the border right now the border
is being controlled by the caloa drug
cartel and that cartel is adverti the
night the first night I went there I
watched 300 people come across the
first 110 they were coming up in buses
there were 55 people in a bus these
brand new buses that were owned by the
caloa
cartel they pull up 55 people get off
each bus and they're all night long
they're coming in the first two buses
had um had were
exclusively um young men from West
Africa of military age and they I didn't
actually get to talk to them
because they were being proud when I got
there but I W I saw them all and then
the second two buses were mainly people
from uh from Asia they were from
Kazakhstan tajikstan I talked to every
one of them
aeran um Nepal Tibet Bangladesh mainly
from China the whole night there were
only two immigrants who came all over
with Asylum claims and one was from
Columbia one is Ru they're only Latin
Americans the other ones were coming
across because they were answering
advertisement on Tik Tok and YouTube
that the cartels are doing all over the
world saying we can get you into America
for
$110,000 and what's the agenda why do
they want to do that because they're
making $10,000 a body that's it just
we'll get you they're making billions of
dollars billions
Lord and and so they come and and they
tell them exactly how to do it everybody
who came across knew exactly what was
going to happen to them there was no
fear there was no surprise they knew
exactly every step of the
way and and by by the way they had been
you know I talked to them and a large
part of them have been robbed Peruvian
family their entire um life savings have
been stolen from the
cartels uh I spent a day at a rape
center there that specialized in
children who've been raped immediately
before they come across the border
there's you know 880,000 kids have
disappeared there's a rape tree whoa
whoa 880,000 kids of dis something like
that now it maybe 40,000 CU I'm not
remember bring this number but it's
between 40 and 80,000 people that have
kids who have
disappeared people can Google this and
check on me you know I'm not going to
swear on that number but it's a huge
huge number right there's a rape tree
they call the rape Tree on the other
side of the border that you can see from
where from my vantage where I was and
it's where the cartels extract the the
final payment so women children get
raped there and they border patrol
seeson all the time they can't do
anything about it because it's on the
Mexican side and then I spent a day at a
rape center that that just treats
children who have been
raped and it was and it's in Yuma the
people of Yuma are the most incredible
Americans that I you know they are
taking this Onslaught and they're
they're handling it with total
compassion um the the U the head of the
hospital told me that his wife was
coming in for a uh for a uh uh you know
to to to end the preg to you know to
have the baby right to induce
pregnancy and that um the there there I
think there are 13 or 23 beds I forget
it was in the Maternity Ward and every
one of them was
occupied by
migrants and that they did not have room
anywhere in it in that hospital for the
women the local women who had induced um
you know for induced pregnant to induce
births Etc so they have to turn their
own people away to treat these migrants
and they're doing it and he said last
year this is a small Regional
hospital he said last year um they got
they been I think it was $9 million it
may have been 20 I'm bad on bad on the
numbers right now but um on the
unreimbursed expenses to pay for the the
migrants what's crushing this town the
Border towns are just get to crush and
now every town in our country is a
Border Town this is happening all over
our country and it's terrible it's not
humanitarian the people who coming
across are being terribly mistreated and
then you know they can't legally work
here so for seven years what are they
going to do it's not a good solution
what we need is high you know high high
walls at the border and then wide Gates
so that people who come through the
legal
process can come in that that they have
a faster path to citizenship that you
know there's there's 10 million jobs in
small
businesses that were they're looking for
people coming from abroad and we need
those workers here if we're going to
keep Social Security solving for a
couple more years if we're going to have
taxes paid Etc
we need to enrich um you know our
population with people who come in
Legally but you know coming across the
border you know and and letting the the
the drug cartels run US border policy is
not a good solution nobody thinks that's
a good idea all right you are running on
the idea of uniting the country against
two people who do not seem to share that
aim certainly not in their
rhetoric um you've got the thing that
freaks me out the most I never said what
my second thing was uh that's my big
issue which is authoritarian Rule and
seeing all the lawfare against Trump
love him or hate him I just think this
is
absolutely um not what I think of when I
think of American values um so if you
were elected would you pardon Trump for
the convictions would you pardon um
Hunter Biden if he gets
convicted I um I would I first of all I
wouldn't you know I I wouldn't make that
decision now um I agree with you that I
think that the Democratic and I don't
you know in terms of Hunter Biden I
don't I haven't seen any evidence that
that was politically motivated
prosecution I think it was the
Democratic prosecutors so I don't know
you know why what the justification for
um for for pardoning him is is if if
there was a determination that you know
Trump's prosecution was political I
personally I think Trump's prosecution
will probably get
overturned um in the higher courts
because of a couple I just saw the jury
instructions from the judge and
they seemed to me that um that they were
not uh that it wasn't they weren't
constitutional but I don't know I don't
know I didn't watch the case carefully I
just read a couple of those jury
instructions and they didn't see
right um but I wouldn't say you know at
this point whether I was going to Pardon
anybody right now except for people I
know I'm going to Pardon which is Julian
Assange and Edward Snowden and you
know uh probably Ross alrick too um
people who are clearly politically
prosecuted people who were
whistleblowers and should be you know
with with Snowden and and Assange we
should be building monuments to them not
putting him in prison why is that what
why is that well Snowden revealed that
told us for the first time the reason he
they don't like him is he told us that
NSA was listening to every one of our
phone calls and storing all the
information and that every text message
that we write every email that you write
is being is being taken by
NSA and stored in the data data center
for for you know retrieve people
sometime in the future oh it's
completely unconstitutional it's against
all of our values it's against statutes
that say that you know the intelligence
agency cannot spy on the American people
they were violating it Edward Snowden
told that to the world to us to American
people his you know fellow
countrymen and Congress and convene and
pass laws to regulate it so clearly what
he did was a service to our country it's
something we would want people in the
military to do to tell us that you know
that that these in these bureaucracies
have turned against us and are now
spying on us um and then Assange just
did what every newspaper editor in the
GU he's a he's an editor of a paper and
and you know the he got uh he got uh uh
information Insight information
including you know mercenary groups that
were that that had murdered civilians in
in Iraq um and and uh and he revealed
that that we weren't being told about
you know us paid
contractors murdering people and that
the Pentagon was keeping it
quiet and he he got a hold of that
information and published it he didn't
break a law he did what every newspaper
editor in the country is supposed to be
doing and it's weird to
me that all the editors in the country
from The Washington Post the New York
Times and everybody else is not you know
sitting in front of the White House
demanding that he be released because
they're in Jeopardy you know so um you
know those people that they stand up for
freedom of speech they stood up for our
constitution they made they knew they
were going to make sacrifices
they've suffered terribly from that they
made the same sacrifice to give us our
rights that the you know that the
Patriots made in the in the American
Revolution they put their houses at you
know their their
livelihoods their freedom at risk their
salaries their wealth they put it all at
risk and their
lives in order to um to give us these
freedoms and Assan and Snowden did the
same thing so we should be honoring them
we should not be punishing them what do
you think has happened to the sense of
what American values are that lead
people to now so quickly abandon the
Constitution whether it's um during
covid whether it's crushing down the
First Amendment which has been rampant
you obviously have been censored to
death uh people that just have you on
their podcast will get censored it's
crazy but that seems to be an out it
seems to be coming forth from something
in the people far more than the
government I think the government Echoes
the people yeah I think a couple of
things happen one
is one is something very basic and I
actually spoke about this last night I
was at the Nixon
library and the Nixon Library is
launching a big uh program on um on uh
resuming Civics classes in our country
which to me you know when I you're
you're much younger than I was
but when kids were growing up in the 50s
and 60s and even 70s in this country we
every child in our country had to take
at least three Civics classes oh and
that taught us our rights taught us to
stand up for them and uh and and taught
us that you know that people died to
give us those rights and we had to be
willing to die to preserve them and we
all learned that and they stopped
teaching Civics in the late 70s early
80s I think you have a generation and
you know we were
taught and you know we had we it's our
job to fight that somebody may take try
to take these rights away from us and
that we had to fight them we had to
battle them we had to fight them to the
gates of hell and then we had to fight
them till hell freeze is over and then
we had to fight them on the ice you know
and never stop fighting to keep them and
that's how I was raised right and so uh
but we have a gener couple generations
of kids that didn't get that those
lessons when they were young and then we
had
the the
Press which has been utterly compromised
and it's been compromised for a couple
of reasons one is the the the um the
Revival of operation Mockingbird which
is now very very well documented you
know there's a couple of CIA historians
um dick Russell and David talbin but a
couple of
others who've done exposes recently on
you know how much of the press is now
controlled by the CIA and the NSA and
the intelligence establishment and you
know Common journals like Daily Beast um
Rolling Stone which used to be a
counterculture journal and is
now you know the guy the editor-in chief
there Noah schackman is right out of the
intelligence community and if you look
you know they're
all you know Pro Ukraine Pro vaccine Pro
all the things of the intelligence Unity
Pro us expansion abroad all of the you
know you can kind of look and see how
where they stand on the issue so on
slate Daily Coast um National Geographic
uh the Scientific American you know all
of these um are now you know uh
become kind of um apparent bullhorns for
the in intelligence agencies you have
that and then uh something all and then
Washington Post and New York Times of
course but there's something more going
going on which is just this you know
this merger this corrupt merger of state
and corporate power which has uh which
has also subsumed the Press oh you know
what we saw during
covid where journalism really became
degraded that you know that the
journalism has always play played a
critical role in democracy it's the
fourth estate it's there's three
branches of government but the fourth is
supposed to be the guardian of democracy
is the Free Press and that the Press
in Lou brandis's words judge you know
Justice Louie brandise is supposed to
maintain a Fier skepticism toward
government pronouncements and government
Authority that is the role of the
president democracy and during covid we
saw the opposite instead of speaking
truth to
power they became stenographers for
government propaganda they became active
propagandists um marginalizing vilifying
gaslighting denters you know destroying
rep ation of anybody who you know
burning Heretics could not be
interviewed they had to be burned at the
stake and made examples of and you saw
these incredibly important scientists
being you know being uh fired losing
their
jobs um being ridiculed by the Press uh
and then of course any Doctor Who did
not um who departed from the government
orthodoxies their reput ation was
destroyed
their licenses were yanked that to this
day the mainstream media will not report
about vaccine injuries so you have all
of these you know children dying on
playing fields and nobody even ask the
question you know why are
they why are children suddenly dying of
Strokes 10y olds you know and and
myocarditis and all of these other
disease that we never saw before and
children and and then professional
athletes dying all over the world and
you never see the question answered and
then you know all the the rise of all
these autoimmune diseases and um turbo
Cancers and all these other things that
the Press be talking about but they the
Press now sees its
job as being as manipulating the
American public they their
job is not to tell you the truth but to
tell you what's good for you what they
think is good for you right and it's
good for you to
believe all of the propaganda about Co
and mass work that there scientific
basis for them that social distancing
absolutely
works that the vaccines will prevent
transmission if you take the vaccine
you'll never get sick it's what they all
were saying and and you know how many
times did you
hear Anderson Cooper and Jake Tapper and
all these other ones saying we need to
shame the people who don't do this we
need to you know they're bad people
they're evil
people and you know the chirons at the
bottom that were just saying death
counts every day you know to keep
everybody in a state of fear and
compliance and instead of somebody
imagine if somebody like had gotten up
and said wait a minute you know let's
start asking people questions and they
never did they still want today
they're still you know
glorifying um you know PE we had the
worst covid death rate in the world and
we in our country we had 16% of the
covid deaths we only have 4.2% of the
world's
population oh why are people getting
awards for this we literally whatever we
did was the worst of
anybody and uh and so why are we giving
awards to the people who were mad mining
this you know now they're getting called
in front of Congress but the Press still
won't cover it right you know the
Republican press is covering it
conservative press but the liberal
Democratic media will not cover when
these people are making stunning
emissions yeah we had no science for
social distance we had none for Mass you
know fouchy getting up there and saying
I I
never you know I never gave any thought
to whether children would be harmed from
by missing school and by wearing masks
all the time never ask the question you
know can can a kid learn to speak when
he can't see anybody else speak what's
it going to do to his social
interactions nobody ask these questions
and know the Brown University study
showed that young kids during covid
there was a 22 drop in IQ
points and um and CDC has now had
to
rewrite its childhood mil
Stones so that you know for the last 40
years since CDC developed them a child
should be able to walk at 12 months now
it's 18 months a child should have have
I
think um thir 50 words in 18 months and
now it's two years so all the Milestones
have been pushed back because they did
so much damage to our
kids and they're trying to normalize it
you know and that's their answer a
Public Health crisis to make people
think it it didn't
happen and you know diabetes now when I
was a
kid uh a typical pediatrician would see
one case of diabetes in his lifetime now
he one out of every three kids who walks
through his office door is pre-diabetic
or diabetic and you want to know I mean
diabetes with mitochondrial dysfunction
which is
diabetes I think you know a lot about is
uh is now
costing us more than the military budget
and nobody's asking why you know autism
in my generation today right now one in
10,000 men have it and in my kids
generation it's one in every 34 one in
every 22
boys nobody's saying why is this
happening we have a public health
establishment that this is so much worse
than Co you look at the cause to our
society I mean Co was killing people
in their last year of life according to
CDC the average person who died from
covid had 3.8 chronic disease they were
they were at De
door they were in the last final years
of their life the chronic disease is
getting people in their first years of
life and then they have 75 years of cost
and you know
suffering in front of them and uh and
you know nobody nobody even ask these
questions and there's no journalist who
will ask the obvious
question oh you tell
us it has nothing to do with this
exposure with processed foods with
vaccines whatever then what does it
what's causing it and isn't it your job
to know you have a $42 billion budget at
NIH how many Studies have you done on
this let's see them there's no there's
no journalists out there that read
science they're they're scientifically
illiterate it yeah that's what I I can't
track is if you going back to what we
were saying earlier if you're really
trying to get to the truth then they're
a pretty obvious set of questions I
don't expect people to know the truth at
first I expect them to hunt it down uh
and there's certainly a lot of questions
I mean look we were told that Haiti and
Nigeria and these very poor countries
Haiti is the poorest country in the
hemisphere we're going to be wiped out
by Co cuz they couldn't afford the
vaccine so Haiti ended up having a
1.3% vaccination
rate and the death rate from covid in
Haiti was 14 people per million
population the death rate among black
people in America was more than 3,000
per million population so 200 times what
Haiti and same with Nigeria Nigeria had
a 1.4% vaccination
rate a death rate of 14 people per
million population
so what now there may be good reasons
for that right correlation causation
yeah you don't know but but and you know
it's a younger population and and Co was
affecting the old so there's a lot of
reasons that could explain it but we
should know that right somebody should
be asking that question and saying why
did they do when they didn't have
anything why' they do so much better
than we did and nobody's asking that cuz
nobody really wants to know the answers
yeah that that look that there's a whole
another episode we could do just
something that I've got to get you out
of here but I want to ask one final
question which is your family has paid
an inordinate price for what I'll round
to American values your uncle obviously
was killed your father was killed when
you were what 12 I mean I was 14 when my
dad was Ked worse uh was that price
worth it to move this country
forward yeah I mean
I feel
like my you know look both my my father
and my all my uncles joined the military
during World War II to go I I lost an
uncle I lost two of my uncles in World
War II you know who made a decision a
calculation to to stand up for their
country we have soldiers you know our
military everybody who you see in
uniform has made the decision that our
country is worth dying for so you know
whether you're in uniform or not we all
should believe that we all should
believe and you know when I was
in in um during the first year of the
pandemic in August I went to speak at a
at a big rally huge rally 1.3 million
people in Berlin was people from all
over Europe it was like Woodstock there
people every color of the rain rainbow
and it was a joyful crowd and there were
people were saying they're taking away
our rights and we don't like it and that
was the whole point and while I was
there um I wasn't wearing a mask and you
know in art the big crowd there was
almost nobody wearing a
mask maybe nobody and um I got asked by
an NBC film
crew who were all masks I they're the
only people wearing masks out there and
said you're not wearing a mask aren't
you scared of dying and I said there's
there's um there's there's things that
are a lot scarier to me than dying and
they said like what I said like losing
my constitutional rights and like living
like a slave and having my kids grow up
in America where they don't have the
Bill of Rights know and you know we saw
this assault on the Bill of Rights
during
Co like unprecedented we saw it first
they you know the Govern got involved in
censoring political speech and it
started out with the co countermeasures
but then it moved to Ukraine and all
these other
issues and I I can say this because I
have the lawsuit Biden versus Kennedy
which is now you know the court of
appeals but I want in the court of
appeals and and then Biden ver or M
versus Biden which was case that we
helped you know draft that was that was
brought by the Louisiana Missouri
attorney generals and we've got all the
the the discovery from those cases we
have the Twitter files that show that
the White House was conspiring to was
coercing the social media sites to
censor political opponents this never
happened in our country
before once they figured out that they
could get away with censoring speech and
they went after everything else they
they went have the second plank of the
of the first amendment is uh freedom of
worship they closed every Church in our
country for a year with no with no
scientific citation they just said close
them there's no there's no notice and
comment rule making no hearing no
environmental impact statement No not
just shut them down and then they went
after uh so they went after freedom of
assembly which is also in the First
Amendment they mandated all these social
distancing regulations which we're now
we know we completely scient iFly basis
Anthony FY said I don't know it just
came from somewhere I don't know where
it came from and then they went
after private property the Fifth
Amendment they shut down 3.3 million
businesses no due process no just
compensation they they closed down jury
trials the seventh amendment guarantees
the right of a jury trial in any case or
controversy exceeding $25 and they gave
immunity to any company that was
involved in countermeasures no matter
how a rious your injury no matter how
negligent their conduct no matter how
Reckless their contract you can't sue
them and then they abandon the fourth
amendment guarantees against um
warrantless searches and seizures with
all this track and trade surveillance
where you had to give your medical
records to leave your
home oh they they they literally plowed
down the entire Bill of Rights and one
year you know that we've we'd held for
290 years in our country and gone in one
year
and uh you know that uh was shocking to
me that nobody complained about it
that's what scared me and that all the
liberals who I grew up with who read
George Orwell and read Robert heand and
read Aldis hugley and read kastler and
you know all of these other people who
were warning us about you know the
dystopian totalitarian future and uh and
it all begin ends with controlling
speech and then after that yeah
everything disappears and nobody speaks
up everybody's silent about it to this
day you talk to a liberal about free
speech and they'll say yeah but you know
it was an
emergency no there's no provision for
that no there's no there's no pandemic
exception in the Constitution and that
framers knew all about epidemics
they they were plagued by epidemics
During the Revolution and and the 10
years between the end of the Revolution
the Civil Right and the and the uh
ratification of the Bill of Rights there
were there were catastrophic epidemics
in every city and during the revolution
there were two very serious epidemics
that one of them decimated the malaria
epidemic that decimated the armies of
Virginia and then uh later on in the war
or at pretty early in the war
a smallpox epidemic that decimated the
army of New England at the very time
when we had Benedict Arnold who was our
greatest General had captured Montreal
and but he could not hold the city
because his men were all down with small
box otherwise Canada today would be part
of the United States and the framers all
knew that and yet they did not put an
epidemic exception in the Constitution
yeah they wrote it for Hard
Times yeah if uh those who not
understand history are doomed to repeat
it and if you don't have the reverence
for the documents that gave birth to
this country you're not going to think
that they're worth dying for and we're
living in a time right now where I think
people are sort of peak scared and when
you're scared you just want safety and
you put all those elements together and
people just are fine with it the thing
that freaked me out is that people
didn't speak up that was the scary part
crazy they're still not speaking up yeah
true but you you are you're out there
it's exciting to see you on the trail I
really hope you end up on the debate
stage with Trump and Biden I think that
that will be important for the country
uh I will be mortified if they try to
keep you out I think it's ridiculous uh
thank you for coming today where can
people learn more follow along with the
campaign Kennedy 24.com there it is all
right everybody regardless of what you
think get out and vote it is absolutely
critical demand that the best arguments
be laid out and you're given a chance to
hear them and make a decision for
yourself ultimately that's what will
save the democracy all right everybody
till next time be legendary take care if
you like this conversation check out
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we're going to get to here in a minute
uh but given the Trump verdict we both
felt that it made sense to come in and
and tie that up in the longer interview
we talk about uh Trump we talk about
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