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I'm not an advocate for porn but the one
thing porn did do is show the average
man with a really beautiful woman looks
like naked a woman can put her ass on
Instagram and make more money than the
man that built the road to get to where
we're going I think that's a big issue
with society and I think that's men's
fault just be the best man you can be
because if you can become that man you
now have the opportunity to be able to
act like a gentleman and not have to do
things to manipulate other people you're
just that guy I think that there is
something very wrong with masculinity I
think that there is what I'll call
societal Decay I think something is
going wrong one I'd love to know if you
agree and if you do what precisely do
you think is the problem with modern
masculinity I think there's a lot of
things involved I think social media is
a big part of it what is it about social
media so I think in a lot of ways
if you were looking to any man that
wants to have a good life he needs to be
appreciated and so for example I have a
lot of guys that work for me in a steel
company well one thing that I'm
constantly challenged with is that guy
even though he's great at what he does
even though he's building America even
though he's doing things that makes the
world go round nobody appreciates him
for it because when he goes on Facebook
or Instagram he sees a 21 year old they
call a crypto pump or did Amazon Drop
Shipping driving a Lambo in Dubai
and I think that's a really big problem
what causes that problem though that
feels more to me like it is a
consequence of something that we need to
establish is what should a man derive
his worth from money women cars that's
not going to do it for you ever ever
it's going to be you meeting the
expectation you have for yourself of the
man so you envision this man that you're
going to become and I think most people
do that from an early age they see
something they want an avatar something
they want to do and they want to go
become that person and I believe the
formula for happiness and fulfillment is
the gap between your expectation of who
you become and your reality
and so a lot of guys are not meeting
that expectation for themselves and I
think it's harder and harder to do that
particularly in a world where we've gone
off the gold standard a man
can't just have a job and support a
family and be the man of the house
anymore and I think that's one of the
biggest issues with families now I want
to make sure that we're careful to piece
together exactly the argument here so
when I say that we have societal Decay
and it's tied to masculinity is that
are we in agreement with that 100 okay
so then as we begin to tease apart what
does that mean the first thing you went
to was men or they're not being
appreciated social media sort of blasts
that out you see all these images not of
hard-working blue collar or I'm putting
that word in your mouth but sort of
hands in the dirt doing something hard
that's no longer being celebrated
instead it's the crypto pump whatever
that and I say this a lot is that a
woman can put her ass on Instagram and
make more money than the man that built
the road to get to where we're going
I think that's a big issue with society
and I think that's men's fault I think
this whole thing is is actually the
fault of weak men okay so why is putting
your ass on Instagram a problem
because in a lot of ways
how was a man ever going to be able to
be with a woman that is showing herself
all over the Internet and still Garner
her respect if he doesn't shut it down
okay let's really answer that question
so
um garnering her respect does not feel
like there would be any problem if your
girl is I'm assuming we're talking only
fans here so your girl hasn't only fans
account she's putting her ass out there
she has been given a gift from God or
she's working on it and she's in
incredible shape and men are responding
and in many cases she's going to make
more money than the average guy which is
fine what I don't understand is well not
true yeah I would argue that it's not
fine for their Dynamic probably okay so
the base assumption that I hear you say
is that their Dynamic will not be
successful and will need to define
success in a second but their Dynamic
will not be successful she will not be
able to she won't be able to respect him
is that where you're going because she
earns more money she's in yeah I think I
think in most cases when the woman makes
more than the man and then there's a bit
of an issue okay and you see it quite a
bit I don't think I don't think that's a
crazy statement
it's interesting I don't think it's a
crazy statement but there's a follow-on
statement which is but what's the
alternative because you I I live by a
motto never ask someone to slow down so
that you can lead I agree I agree with
that completely and and here's another
thing I don't judge those women on only
fans I I think in the past I might have
put a light out there that I do actually
I don't because in my opinion there's
not enough strong men out there that
could lead a woman for all of the women
that probably make money on only fans to
find somebody they can look up to I do
think that's very important in a
relationship Dynamic that that the woman
does look up to the man in some way I do
think that's very important I think
that's very Primal as well do you think
it's important that men look up to the
women in some way I think it's important
that they love and respect them but not
there's a clear distinction for you
between there's a clear distression who
the leader is a respect equals love
right
oh
I'll take that in that you believe that
I do believe that I'd love for you to
challenge it I'd like so you don't think
if your woman doesn't respect you she
doesn't love you I don't think I love
certainly I don't love everyone
romantically that I respect no of course
not that's not what I'm saying like
respect equals love in the sense that if
a woman can't respect you she's probably
not going to love you and as she starts
and and in many situations when a woman
goes to leave if she has lost respect
for that man in some way I do believe
that yeah respect I would say is
necessary but not sufficient for a
long-term pair bond will you give me
that I'll give you anything okay so so
what do you think is though what do you
think is though uh what do I think is
the whole cocktail yeah what do you
think what do you think is a cohesion
that keeps a man and a woman together so
and this is we're now really jumping to
right where I think my disconnect is
with the
the god what word red pill is what
people are going to apply to you you
seem to sidestepping that yeah so what
what word would you put on your stance
if you had to put it under an umbrella I
believe the more strong men we build in
this world the better for men and as a
result the better for women okay so
we'll call that instead of calling it
ready it's like Jay Waller philosophy or
whatever yeah call it whatever you want
it's just men have to understand that
life is going to be difficult they're
going to have to fight their ass off to
get in a position to be able to find a
partner that looks up to them respects
them they can lead a family and feel
fulfillment and being the leader of that
family I think that's very natural for
every man to want to be the leader of
the household
yes okay this is this is a very
complicated issue
um let's take things one at a time so my
bundle of things that I think make for a
long-term relationship and this is the
one thing where I'll say as we distill
these down I think this is the place
where we're going to see where we don't
agree cool so I think that nature from
an evolutionary standpoint has ensured
that you are half of a whole and that
for you to manifest in your life all of
the success emotionally and um in the
tangible world of staying safe being fed
all of that uh procreating that you need
to come together as a unit and so now
the question becomes what is the ideal
unit and what is going to make sure that
that unit stays safe and strong so when
I look at that there is a neurological
component to pair bonding so Dr Amin has
done research on this fascinating guy if
people don't know who he is look him up
he's a a neuroscientist that's done more
brain scanning I think than anybody else
so he's been doing doing this for 20
plus years
yeah so vasopressin oxytocin and he was
saying I won't let someone date my
daughter until I scan their brain and I
see how receptive they are to those two
compounds because they're the compounds
that predict pair bonding and I thought
oh that's really interesting and I think
is a key reason why so I've been married
for 21 years and why I think our
marriage has been so successful and she
got with me when I was broke it's
hilarious that people accuse my life of
being of course people on the internet
bro so uh but she finds it funny and I
find it hilarious so uh part of our
reason I think I'm a super responder
so for me I really get something out of
pair bonding so when my wife and I got
together and by the way she's the only
woman I ever told I loved not the only
woman I've slept with but the only woman
I ever told I loved so for me it was
like one shot one kill I knew exactly
what I was looking for when I found it
that was it lock it up so and then the
rest was okay do I know how to navigate
this so that it gives me enough to be
worth the sacrifice but again I'm coming
at this from a a an evolutionary
perspective of what is most likely to
allow us to come together to be safe in
an ancestral environment where we're
getting attack left right and Center
where our kids are hyper likely to die
but this is all really a dangerous
Endeavor and so coming together and
saying are we making each other better
am I a better version of myself with her
than I would be without her is she a
better version of herself with me than
without me and
does she make me her number one and this
is where I think that's a big one yeah
where we might see a Schism between how
we look at this so I
I would never give up sex with other
women if I didn't become my wife's
number one and feel like the coolest
person in the world has picked me to be
like yo if you ever slip I've got you
you ever need to be pushed I've got you
you never ever need help I'll laugh
whatever somebody to see you celebrate
you cheer you on whatever like I got you
that is the only thing that I have ever
found that makes the other sacrifices
which is not just sex but that's a big
one especially for guys
has made that worth it can I ask you a
question on the I got you thing please
the support the cheering you on that
that's awesome stuff right
what about when you're down do you call
your wife or do you call
your guy friends my wife 100 yeah do you
feel like you have a Brotherhood where
you could call people outside of your
wife yes but I understand the position
it's
a genuine question whatever is true is
true I have no beef whatsoever
um no I would say that is that is
outside I have had that so my previous
business was with two other guys and it
was always very clear to me that the
Brotherhood was far more important than
the money and all that right so I know
what it is and I love it but
that that to me is a very important part
of what I think is broken I think that
men are not
being held to a exacting standard I
think that's a big part of the problem
here can you expand on exacting standard
I can but I don't want to deviate too
much from you so that's sort of my that
that's my rough nest of things where a
relationship can be can be worth all the
sacrifices you will make for it and turn
you into something better than you would
be on your own but the price it demands
is that you be the other person's number
one and you make them your number one
um what is your basket of goods that you
think make that relationship worthwhile
or not
well actually everything you just said
I'm completely in line with now I
wouldn't take my problems let's say to
my wife
because
I believe there's a really important
part of the male and female Dynamic
where you're you get to be the hero you
get to be the one saving the day you get
to be the one solving all the problems
especially in a world full of men that
are very feminized not to say that you
are but I believe that men are more
feminized now than they've ever been and
in the counter opposite direction with
the female like let's say feminism
women are going in the direction of more
masculinity men are being more feminine
and women are like where are the men and
it's been my experience for women I've
either dated or seen or even even at
home Hey listen I really like the fact
that you take the lead you take the mask
and roll and allow me to be feminine in
fact I would even go as far as to say is
that the smartest strongest young women
today are the ones that actually are
okay with hearing the noise from the
world and choose to be feminine and like
and enjoy it maybe you want to become a
mother which is something that's growing
more and more unpopular are getting
pushed back against an unrealistic time
frame that they have
so I do like the idea of being the hero
and not bringing problems home or to
someone that would have to worry because
I'm supposed to be the one solving those
problems
this said
as a father or as somebody that's
putting information on the internet all
I want to do is a few things I want to
educate people on or my children let's
just say my children on how the world
Works give them the tools it takes to
navigate through that world and put
themselves in a position where they have
choice
outside of that
I don't want anything for anyone else
but choice and that's from you know
guests that you've had on let's say
let's say uh Destiny you had Destiny on
right I got no issue with that guy if
that guy's happy and he's truly at peace
with himself even if he hated me bro I
got nothing but love for him because all
I want to see people have in their life
is is choice and happiness and only you
can decide that
so
um I think there's a way to make that
happen you obviously think there's a way
to make that happening Destiny thinks so
wait there's a way to make that happen
I'm almost certain that those three ways
are all complete well not completely
different but different in some regards
but I don't think that's what solves for
correct I think what solves correct is
if you're happy and you're fulfilled in
that relationship that's it do you think
that there is anything
pre-ordained about what's going to make
people happy and fulfilled
yeah I think appreciation for a man is
one thing I think men want to be
appreciated I really do I think it's
their job to go earn that appreciation
and I think women want to feel protected
and loved and cared for fully and they
want to know that they have a position
with that man where he is going to take
care of them forever or he is going to
put all of his efforts into taking care
and he gets fulfillment from it I get a
lot of fulfillment from taking care of
my family
I love it my little girls are spoiled
for anything they want you know and that
I've heard you say you would not simp
for your daughter's though I won't now
I'm glad you said that so when they
become 14 if they hear the wrong tweet
or they want to start coming at me with
the heat I'll quickly remind them who
pays the [ __ ] bills I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna send for them it's just not
that time yet right now I want to love
them I want to know they have a father
at home I want them they see me a lot I
was just telling you before the show I I
imagine that I spent more hours with my
kids than the average man because I'll
come home for a week at a time two weeks
at a time and stay with them all day I
see them quite a bit I I very much enjoy
it and um when the time comes you know
the teenage years if they want to get
fresh with me they will quickly find out
that
um my dad's not gonna play that's it no
I I in fact I kind of look forward to
kind of setting that frame with them I
think it's going to be important
okay I want to talk about that so even
your energy changes when you talk about
that like you imagine them 14 coming
with the heat uh your energy changed so
yeah that moment
I think is a very important moment I
think it's also very misunderstood and
can create
can create problems for sure in a
marriage could potentially create
problems with the kids whatever so
why is that I'm sorry which which thing
the the change in energy so I'll give
you an example
um my my path was going from weak to
strong and I got into business and I was
weak and Through The Crucible of a
Brotherhood and the free market yeah I
had to get hard
now I spent a lot of years in a very uh
intense I'll be generous a very intense
environment and it was exactly what I
needed and it hardened me and made me
far more capable than I ever was before
and it was incredible and I would never
take it back but
as soon as I then branched out and
started a company on my own I was like
okay I'm not doing that because it
breaks almost everyone that it touches
and I used to think about it like the
inner city and the inner city breaks the
vast majority of people that it touches
but you get a few people that have to
get so tough to overcome that that they
overshoot and they do just unbelievably
amazing things right but the vast
majority of people get destroyed by it I
feel that way about construction I can
imagine I really do yeah so getting
tough very important I'm sure we will
explore that more however in the tougher
I got the harder it was for my wife and
the only way she knew how to articulate
the problem was I want my husband back
and that was very disorienting for me
because I was proud of who I'd become
but she now I ultimately figure out what
she was trying to communicate and I'll
explain it in a second but that was very
weird the more proud I became of myself
the harder time she had in our marriage
and I was like well that's weird and so
she just kept saying I want my husband
back I want my husband back I want my
husband back and I'm like what do you
mean like I am your husband this is me
so are you saying you want something
other than who I Have Become
so anyway I finally realized what she's
looking for is for me to broadcast and
receive love meaning I can to use your
language I can hold a frame but I don't
have to be I don't have to shift into an
aggressive mode now I do and it feels
good and I love it but ultimately
communication isn't what you intend it's
what's heard and so and also is how you
make people feel yeah so how do you
navigate that moment where you go from
because the the yeah maybe I gave you
the wrong impression I think when I talk
about my girls my I get a little fired
up you know it means something to me
please so that's I think this this thing
is that the transition of energy
is exactly what makes
you uniquely interesting right you're
part of the for people that don't know
you're part of the um Andrew Tate small
group of people but you have a very
different vibe yeah uh but if you think
of that sort of energy as a spectrum and
you've got Andrew Tate at least publicly
is only ever on aggression in your face
I want to be a sensational and
inflammatory as humanly possible and
guilty or innocent like
he he creates a frame that is not
surprising at all that he brings a lot
of animosity in his Direction
you are able to move between there are
times where I'm going to be intense and
there are times where I'm going to be
jovial and sweet and a Gentleman you've
got a whole thing yeah I'm sure we'll
talk about it about what being a
gentleman means and all that
but that moment of Shifting your energy
I want to better understand what what
that means why like when you think about
your daughter's coming to you at 14
do you really want to bring the smoke or
is it like oh it won't be smoke at all I
think I think I think I might have shown
you energy from Passion anytime I get
passionate if you'd ask me a business
question and I'd have been talking about
my guys I would have said the same thing
but I wouldn't handle the situation any
different with my we're not much
different with my daughter than I would
an employee I'd move any table out of
the way I'd sit with her or him need a
knee and say Hey listen I see this this
and this and here's where I think that
this is going to either hurt you or
hinder your situation here's why I love
you with all my heart I'm not a yeller I
don't yell at my people I certainly
won't yell at my children would never
yell at a woman so what I'm saying is is
that yes I'll get fired up on the
subject but if it came down to me and
you talking about something that was
really really critical or me and my
daughter or me and an employee or me and
Andrew I would be very much just present
in that moment with them because I feel
like if you start yelling at someone
they can no longer hear you and so one
thing I like to do is like just sit
there need knee and be in their space
and just be present in the moment and
just tell them how I'm feeling I won't
get much higher than this in fact I'll
probably be a little lower than this I
don't I don't think people can hear you
when you yell at them
or when you get over overly aggressive
so I might have made that mistake
earlier in my 20s but generally now I'm
not raising my voice no not at all
what's the role of aggression I and I
asked that in the context of I really
want to know what is
young men listening to this they need a
Target to aim at they need to know what
the ideal man looks like
does aggression play a role in that
only when it needs to
I believe the definition of a man is
someone that can slit a throat and hold
a baby in the same day
I really do
I think that you have to have the entire
Spectrum in all areas and I only find it
necessary to be aggressive when you're
protecting
other than that I think that you can
love people through things and have
conversations I've fired people
that I told them I love them but they
got to go because I'd already set them
down and say hey look man I brought you
here I believe in you I really want you
to make me right but you're doing this
this and this and you can't do this on
job site
maybe a substance or maybe it's
something that's a safety issue so
please prove me right man because I
believe in you pull them in a month
later hey man I love you but this isn't
going to work we all work for this
company and I have to protect the other
families you have to go hug them let
them go that's it and so I don't I don't
see the I don't see a particular need to
get overly aggressive with anyone in any
situation even a physical altercation
I'm not a yeller I'll just throw the
first jab cross like because and I don't
even want to you know but there are
times for aggression but this outward
projection of aggression I'm never gonna
be good at I'm never gonna be good at
being Andrew Tate ever
we align on very very many things and we
have a lot of the same beliefs and he is
absolutely wonderful in person and you'd
be shocked
but I'll never be able to be him the way
he is online you know in any way and I I
could not even attempt to try you know
it's just not in me
um he has something that I don't in that
way like as far as being an orator or
being a person that that talks in
certain ways I'll never be able to do
that and don't wish to because I think
that my place and our group and what
we're trying to accomplish together
which is to help young men all over the
world there's a place for me in that and
it's not being Andrew it's being Justin
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you want to see young men or old men for
that matter strive towards I want young
men to
take accountability I want them to
understand the world
look at what it will take to create the
competencies to give them Choice it's no
different from before I want young men
to have choice
I say if I were to have a son and he
were to be gay
I would be completely cool with that my
my concern is okay if this is how you
feel that's fine I love you with all my
heart need any conversation right
however you're going to deal with this
this and this let me show you how to how
I think you can best handle it and then
put yourself in a position to have
choice or you can live your life on your
own terms and that's all I want for any
young man straight gay liberal
Republican anything like I love people
truly I have it in me it's not it's
going to come off of me I can't help it
in fact I would even go as far to say as
like my first year and a half online I
was just putting these positions where I
couldn't show a side of me that was
actually in there it's always these
arguing
the part that really loves people the
part that's not really judging anybody
the part that wants to understand and
help that part I don't I don't really
have much hate or aggression in my heart
really I only fight when I have to I
only defend and get aggressive when it's
somebody else and for the most part
people's words don't hurt me I had a
clip that went viral wasn't even my clip
it was a clip that went viral on a
dating show 25 million and I was just
getting hate because it was uh it was a
Christian lady and somebody asked me
about it on one of my podcasts and they
gave me a layup to [ __ ] on her and I
just refused to do it because I like a
lot of things that lady says and I think
if I were to meet that woman outside of
that context we would get along just
fine and for that reason I just don't
see the need to hate on anybody I want
to create a situation in my life and on
my platforms where
I'm enough for myself and anybody that
wants to follow me can anybody that
doesn't that's okay and I want people to
live their life that way because I feel
like there's a big push in the world to
either guilt or shame men into doing
things that Society wants and I don't
think that's the right way to go at all
what the choice Society want I believe
Society wants men to be weak I think
they want to be fat I think they want to
be submissive to their wives and in the
community in the way that maybe they
don't want to go and I think that's why
Andrew is so popular
I think there's a world full of there's
no there's no superheroes anymore man
I was sitting at Andrew's house the
other day
and this kid sent me a poster of me and
Andrew on the wall
and I flipped over and I showed Andrew I
said you know this used to be Rambo
and he goes I know it's [ __ ] crazy
so
I believe that young men are dis
disenfranchised with the direction that
Society is trying to take them
particularly in the West
and I think that they're fighting
against it and maybe even over maybe the
red pill space is over correcting I'm
not crazy about being called a red
pillar I'm really not bro I know I get
it I'm really [ __ ] not
um but I do believe that there's times
where the red pill space when the
world's dragging people in this
direction and the red spill and the red
pill is taking them to an extreme
hopefully my hope my genuine hope is
that they fall in the middle
and they can be a gentleman or they can
be a father and they don't hate women I
certainly don't hate women
at all and that's one thing that I think
the red pill space will probably like
try to promote maybe there's a little
peacocking there's things that are wrong
in the space but I think on the average
all they're doing is counteracting what
Society is making them in their and
they're hopefully falling in the middle
if they have a brain you know I mean
like you can't you know I heard Destiny
say on y'all show that if you were to
measure most red pill content followers
brains that it would be small I don't
think that's true I just think those
young men want to answer and they need
somebody strong to look up to and when
they look up now you know their
superheroes are homosexual or feminine
or whatever and and they don't buy it
and uh why why doesn't that work or why
is that bad
for young men yep I think that they're
disenfranchised with being suppressed as
males
in that they want to grow up and they
want to do these great things and they
want to be strong and they want to be
capable and the same thing with Jordan
Peterson Jordan Peterson created the
same movement in a much different way
and I just think that young men are
tired of of being asked to not be men
okay so that's hard to argue with man
um I can give you the please for it it
is not one that I necessarily agree with
but so before I do that what I I really
want to understand
um every every time somebody puts forth
a like this is how I think things should
be or whatever they put a hypothesis so
your hypothesis is that men are they're
not given a vision of what they could be
so I think that they have a true nature
is what I think they have a true nature
and it's getting suppressed they're when
they want to be something else okay so
men have a nature what is that nature
that nature is to conquer
to get as much build up as much as they
can become the greatest man build up
what
everything in their life they want to I
think truly men want to be an abundance
of resources they want to have abundance
of choice with women they want to have
children they want to have people that
look up to them they want to feel
appreciated all of these things and I
think those things are by and largely
getting suppressed okay particularly
even even in the school system
in what way does this school system
suppress that I don't feel like
curriculums are made for little boys
I think they're made
for mostly little I think girls do
better in school than boys and I think
that boys don't want to sit still I
think they want to go outside I think
they want to explore I think they want
to build things and so when a little boy
sits in a classroom and he's told to be
quiet or to sit still for hours on end
he's not going to be successful even me
myself I failed sixth grade I was
labeled a 504 student I got put on
Ritalin I didn't read all that well and
so that made me feel like I was failing
from the jump
well jokes on them like I substantially
make money more money than all of my
teachers put together every year it's
just I think that the world particularly
little boys have had enough of being
suppressed and let down and so that's
why guys like Peterson and Tate do so
well
okay very interesting I want to I want
to really
uh do I disagree with anything that
you've said not yet we may disagree in
the particulars but I do want to make
sure that we we answer the question
if so one thing I disagree with I don't
think there is a problem at all if the
superhero that's presented to kids is
gay that doesn't matter to me in the
slightest I think I think that people
are tired of getting things pushed in
their face I don't personally this is
why I think there is there's something
that marries these two ideas of The
Little Mermaid being black race swapped
and give being given gay superheroes
I'm going to articulate what it feels
like from this side of the table but let
me know wrong so because I love both
groups got none against any any ethnic
group or homosexual people in fact
I have a super good reason why I like
gay guys but go ahead give it to me bro
Imagine This
you're in a room
there's five guys in the room
one of those guys is gay and there's
there's one girl that's pretty and
everybody wants a girl
he's going to be the best dressed
sharpest
he's probably going to be in the best
shape and he's going to take one with
him so it's me against three other bombs
trying to think I love a gay guy reason
number two I love a gay guy is that if
you get on his team he is the best Ally
on the planet
as a wingman
so
I got none below for him enjoy your
month homie yeah and I've had a bunch of
close friends that are gay really good
to me too I had a banker that was my
banker for 10 years at Chase Bank really
helped me through some hard times helped
me move money all kinds of things and
like we would go eat lunch and dinner
and he'd hit on me I'm like bro shut up
and it was like this joke I'm like I'm
gonna kick your ass he goes oh please
like it's like it's just like guys don't
really care and I don't think people
care about race and and and gender or
excuse me the sexual preferment
preference as much as the world says and
I think that's the issue is that it gets
pushed in people's face anyway when
nobody really cares anymore
okay so uh the social engineering thing
will set aside at least on that part but
I do want to get a better understanding
of okay uh you said Society wants men
weak
um why would they want to make them weak
effeminate do you think so they'll
comply so they'll comply okay you want
to take over a country right
who are you gonna attack you're gonna
attack the fighting age males are you
going to attack the women the children
and the old people and get them thinking
that way and then create pressures on
the men and just let it
blow up from the inside out don't you
think that's what's happening to America
right now no what do you think is
happening
so I have a very bad feeling that this
is what happens when nobody's being
chased by a lion I think Jordan Peterson
so this is something I'm thinking
through now so everyone forgive me if
six months from now I have a totally
different take I watched Jordan Peterson
go on his dad Arc and I was really
excited about it was amazing and I think
he helped a lot of people I know a lot
of people hate him I think he did
unimaginably good things for a lot of
young men and when he came back from his
illness he was like super religious I
did not understand the hard right turn I
was like what is going on and
looking back on when he was the
internet's Dad it was he was really
ahead of his time and he was saying
things that people hadn't said before
and so you had guys coming out of the
woodwork saying basically thank you for
holding me to a standard which was what
I was saying in the beginning I think
this is really a problem of nobody's
being held to an exacting standard and
the reason they're not being held to an
exacting standard is there is no
immediate consequence to not being held
to an exacting standard because nobody's
being chased by a lion so you're even uh
you can't make ends meet like people can
survive in Chicago homeless what like
you can survive a winter in Chicago
because you get governmental support and
all that now that all of these things
when you isolate them sound awesome I
would never want somebody who ends up
being homeless not taken care of and yet
as we get to the point where Thomas
Jefferson had a quote every General
every generation must pay for freedom in
Blood and we don't do that anymore and
so we've now hit if Eric Weinstein is
right there was a 70-year
window of prosperity that was amazing
but it's become deranged because I don't
think intentionally with when nobody has
World War famine Great Depression like
none of that stuff is hammering people
that all of a sudden we have to and now
I'll bring it back to Jordan Peterson
you've got young people who their final
stage of development is a Messianic
complex so you want to really go matter
in the world man I really get that but
what happens when God is dead that's not
an effective way it's not an effective
organizing principle in society anymore
because on mass we just don't believe in
it it's a it's folklore it's a fairy
tale it's it's not anything real
Nietzsche called this back whenever he
was alive I forget what years and that's
really playing out now so you have a
world where things are easy and so this
is this is your idea of you want to give
people a choice and I get the way you
mean it so I'm going to use the same
word but I I don't want to pretend I
don't understand what you're talking
about but I think choice is the problem
I think that there are so few things
that people have to do to stay alive
that all of a sudden it's like oh I'm
not in a battle here for the the lives
of our children and so I don't have to
be back to back with my wife where she
also has a sword in her hand and I have
a sword in mind and look I'm going to
kill as many people as I can kill
because that's my job but hey you better
be ready if the [ __ ] hits the fan and
you're the last line of defense you
better be swinging that sword and so
that's my vision of how men and women
have worked historically and yes huge
division of labor all of that we can go
down that rabbit hole for now just
that's how I think about it they're back
to back bringing what they each bring to
the table to ensure the survival into
the Next Generation
so you have a world where you have
everybody passing through the need to
have their Messianic moment where they
can help save the world but because
there aren't those immediate impending
Dooms we start latching on to things
which are hugely important but they
don't have that kind of immediacy and so
now it becomes
oh God you start going on like literal
Crusades make whatever change you have
to make spend trillions of dollars
depopulate the Earth for
um the climate the climate is a problem
the climate must be addressed but when
it becomes your Messianic moment then I
think the solutions become pathologized
and are no longer in the realm when you
want to make sure that gay people are
celebrated and venerated as well as
anybody else but that's your Messianic
moment then now all of a sudden it
pushes out so far that it were to the
point where we're not even protecting
kids we're saying that okay same thing
yeah
so people are having enough of this I'm
not even worried about people having
enough what I'm saying is is it
pathological or not because if it isn't
pathological and it is real progress
then people need to reorient and so
agree every movement needs a North star
I think there is only one right North
Star I think it is absolute and I think
it should apply to everybody and that is
does this action increase human
flourishing and decrease human suffering
at the widest possible scale if yes do
it if no don't do it now you get into
complexities about okay how do we wait
future lives versus contemporary lives
anyway we will rapidly get way too far
off so this is what I think is the
problem yeah everyone needs their
Messiah moment like we need it we need
to matter we need to feel like we have
contributed meaning that's what I meant
by appreciation 100 which we'll get to
that because I've got a whole thing
about appreciation the number of times
I've tried to get my wife to understand
all you have to do you can manipulate me
to the ends of the Earth I will do
anything you want just [ __ ]
appreciate me just make me feel
appreciative yes anyway we'll get to
that but that ties into what you're
talking about brother a hundred percent
so
but right now my the the thing I think
is is a problem I do not think there's a
master plan I think we've made
everything so good he's just [ __ ] yeah
we've made things so good that now all
of a sudden things are breaking down
because we have these evolutionary
drives to fight to matter to be Messiahs
I don't mean that literally but that
that impulse to really save people to
really contribute to really help but
there's there's no one to fight anymore
there's so anyway it just there's
pathology on both sides it's what I
really want people to understand so what
do you think you think it's just because
we're in this whole Good Times strong
man strong men weak times
yes it's a very simple way it's probably
overly simplistic but it certainly gets
people in the right direction
but more important to me is okay then
what do we do about it so that's where I
really want to understand like the ideal
you've laid out what you want men to
strive towards what young men should be
doing
um but as we actually then put that in a
modern context what does it look like
what is your North Star off camera you
and I were talking in fact you brought
it up earlier that if you're striving
for money and things it won't work it
won't work but you should do it and so
how do you get people to understand that
I have a lot of money and yet I'm still
pursuing more money and unabashedly so
but I I understand what money is
and so how do you
help as as the more nuanced of the uh
tribe the uh I wouldn't say Elder
Statesman of the the red pill here I
wouldn't say that uh I would so whether
you're the most nuanced totally
different question but as the more
nuanced
um how do we bring this into the real
world how do we how do we give young men
a map out of a world where I think they
have too many choices because they're
not truly under threat and they're
making the Easy Choice at every turn
right and in conjunction with things
like chemical exposure which I do think
microplastics play a bigger role in all
this and I want to imagine yeah man uh
in in that sort of whole thing how do we
help them find a path cool so we have to
start with the fact that it's going to
be hard it's going to be difficult you
have to accept that right from there
there are things that were obviously
constantly promoting that they avoid
Drugs porn
you know chasing women as much as as
much attention as as let's say me and
Andrew and Tristan get for chasing women
I I cannot tell you how much I
disencourage young men to chase women I
often say give up your 20s becoming the
best man you can possibly be women will
see that they'll jump in front of you I
don't believe in game I've never taken a
game course I've never taught anybody
how to pick up a girl in fact I would
not even say I have a very good game I
think I got really good signals
but that's all predecessors from the
work I did to become the best man I can
be signals of what signals so Instagram
oh he has a good lifestyle he travels
muscles he's done well for himself other
men respect him I think those are good
signals that's how you would be a good
mate that I would be a good mate and I
think that's very Primal if you look in
the animal kingdom there's many many
animals that do dances or create certain
or have colors and all these other
things why did Indians have feathers so
so the women knew who could hunt who
couldn't What tent to get in right a
very non-apologetically feel that way I
do think that's very real and I think
it's very Primal uh do I think it'll
make you happy I absolutely do not
what makes a young man happy or what has
always made me happy is working on the
man that I'm going to become I often
talk about this thing I have called The
Rocking Chair test where I have this
relationship with the older version of
myself where he can no longer go out and
live and work and he's just sitting on a
rocking chair smoking a scar drinking
coffee and he's looking back and I keep
this this thing in my phone a folder
where I speak to him and I tell him hey
I'm scared of this I'm doing I'm doing
uh four mobile home parks right now I'm
in due diligence hey I'm a little bit
scared what if they're lying to me on
the plumbing or what if what if I have
to do a mode ad system and I'm
constantly talking to him because my
goal is to make the older version of me
happy while I'm trying to become the man
that I envisioned to be in my life and
to do that you have to take care of
things like Fitness money style
understanding how to network
understanding how to create connection
with another human these are all the
things that we're teaching people how to
do you're never going to go online and
find that Andrew take course how to text
girls you're never going to hear me
talking about how to text girls text
girls like this do this or most
importantly how to manipulate girls one
thing that I cannot stand seeing is
people teaching young men how to neck
women oh you're kind of okay you're
slain just be the best man you can be
because if you can become that man you
now have the opportunity to be able to
act like a gentleman and not have to do
things to manipulate other people you're
just that guy and I think that we're
trying to build young men that are that
guy even if it's not a tate status even
if it's not a fresher Myron status or a
destiny status maybe they're just a
person that lives in a small town has
respect for people in the community
makes a couple hundred grand a year
which is a lot right and and they live a
full fulfilled life where they can have
all the things that they wanted and they
worked hard to get it so they really
appreciate it I don't believe in giving
people compliments on something they
didn't work hard for if it's just
something natural because it won't mean
anything to you and so I feel the same
way for young men if they have to work
for it they understand life's going to
be hard they go through the struggles
just like you went through the struggles
in your business to build your
businesses it wouldn't be a suite if you
didn't have the pain and so I think what
we need to do is tell young men that is
going to be paying it's going to hurt
you're going to get hit in the face
you're going to get broken you might go
bankrupt but if you just keep fighting
you're going to be really proud of the
man you become
and I don't think there's anything other
than that that a young man needs to know
okay so what what are the areas that you
want to see that manifest in their life
so their physical body yeah I think is
number one even more than money
particularly when you're young and your
body is developing I think your physical
body is a big thing
um being able to communicate with other
people and not getting overly aggressive
you know I think that's really really
important
um understanding finances is a really
really big thing that I think most
people are undereducated and in
particular in the schools if they can
just understand how money Works they
could have a better relationship with it
not be scared of it be able to look at
it be able to actually use it as a tool
because that's all money is right is a
tool an opportunity for freedom and then
understanding female nature I think is
very important and there's a big divider
for me between understanding female
nature and learning game
because I in no way
ever want to make a young man think he
needs to learn how to get women he needs
to be that guy and absorb the attention
and then from there he has the proper
masculine frame to retain the woman and
have her respect him and that's it okay
so what does absorb the attention mean
yeah so if you're doing everything right
let's say you're doing Fitness money
style you're obviously respected in your
space or your industry you're a person
that Garners respect I believe that
women see that and they're like that's a
good horse to bet on
and then you're going to get attention
from women and then you have abundance
of choice of women notice I didn't say
sleep with a bunch of women a lot of
people in red pill space they'll be like
oh sleep with this many girls blah blah
I do think that having sex with a woman
changes the dynamic and that young men
should experience different
Dynamics with women after they've slept
with them but I don't have the set
number in my mind I just would like to
see them have that experience I think
that they'll need that in the future of
course why why I do think that when you
sleep with a young woman that
you're going to get a different response
out of some women than others some women
will never talk to you again they'll be
on a yacht tomorrow say Miami right some
girls that means something too and I
think a young man needs to see that
because ideally if I were to help him
make his decision he would put much more
of a time and energy investment in the
young woman that wants to have a family
and wants to not sleep with a bunch of
people I don't think that promiscuity uh
for women is a good thing at all I don't
I don't think it's I don't think it's
good for them and is it a double
standard yeah I do think it's a double
standard is it fair no sir I don't I
don't think it's is it a double standard
brought to you by Evolution or is it a
double standard broadcast I think it's
Society I think it's by Evolution 100 I
think that so you I believe that men are
wired to try to sleep with as many women
as possible and if they do that they
will have more what offspring yes so is
there what's your North Star is it
fulfillment his choice my North Star is
always going to be that's it choice
choice look who am I to tell nobody
tells good who am I to tell a young man
what to do with his life uh I can sell
him nobody exactly so hey here's how the
world works
here's what it's going to take for you
to put yourself in a position of choice
and then once you get the choice I think
you should be a good person I think you
should be kind to people I think you
should always tell the truth and be
honest and be able to communicate with
them okay I can't tell you I can't tell
you whether to have two wives or 50
girlfriends or one wife or to live in a
monastery
yes but you give a lot of advice and I
think the reason you give advice is you
know that some steps make sense and
other steps don't and but if I really
have a hard time believing you actually
optimize that you actually want people
to optimize for choice so
clarifying question we'll know so if
somebody's life had more choices but
they ended up in screaming Agony uh
would you still say that they were
better off because they have more
cho