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if you stack rank the things that are
going to be responsible for the
destruction of the American experiment
right number one is the fact that we let
ourselves get fat or sick or more
depressed more and fertile at an
increasing rate while bankrupt in the
country
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early in my career I consulted for Coke
to ensure sugar taxes failed and soda
was included in food stamp funding I say
Cokes policies are evil because I saw
inside the room the first step in the
Playbook was paying the NAACP plus other
civil rights groups to call opponents
racist what is going on with big food
and is it making us sick
cancer
Alzheimer's heart disease obesity
autoimmune conditions
these are all going up and they are all
foodborne illnesses
and the fact that there is not clear
communication about that from our
medical leaders and public policy
leaders I think is the biggest scandal
in America and the most dangerous
Scandal we are being brought to Our
Knees by metabolic dysfunction tied to
food eight of the ten killers of
Americans as I mentioned some of them
are directly tied to food that also
includes depression depression is
skyrocketing as Chris Palmer Howard and
some other prominent docs are pointing
out brain conditions aren't metabolic
dysfunctions I frame it that way to to
kind of set the table that what's
happening right now in America you know
where 30 percent of children children
have pre-diabetes where it's 80 of
adults are obese or overweight where 50
of adults have fatty liver disease and
20 of teens have fatty liver disease you
only saw this condition in elderly
alcoholics just a generation ago we're
destroying our human capital and
obviously our budget from something
we're being told is complicated but it's
very simple and it's taken me many many
years to come to this conclusion and as
I have through you know being inspired
by my sister and other leaders in the
metabolic Health space that we can talk
about I look back early my career and I
was raised with my sister kind of
compulsively to get all the all the
credentials you know we're working for
President Bush working for you know
prominent politicians Stanford Harvard
my sister and I both went went to
Stanford you know kind of going up the
ranks she became a doctor I was you know
advising politicians and and prominent
food and Pharma companies
um and I think a lot of people and I
certainly was like this kind of gets in
that path and uh and doesn't ask me any
questions and reflecting back early in
my career as I you know worked in
politics and then consulted for for food
and Pharma
um I I found myself helping specifically
Coca-Cola
uh keep a huge portion of their revenue
which was food stamp dollars 10 billion
dollars a year is transferred from the
government treasury to soda companies 10
billion dollars of money
um is uh goes from food stamps to to
soda uh to sugary drinks and this is a
nutrition program that 15 of the
American people depend on as their core
nutrition it's it's called Snap now you
know supplemental nutrition there's no
other country in the world that for
their key lower income nutrition program
right funnels that money to diabetes
water as I call it Sugar consumption
among children has gone up 100x in 100
years right it's not a medical mystery
why obesity childhood diabetes all these
things are skyrocketing it's because of
sugar but primarily it's because of the
new nuclear weapon to to metabolic
Health which is which is diabetes water
which is sugar water which is a
basically a new invention so we're
subsidizing that and Coke wanted to keep
it that way what is the game exactly is
it uh manipulate the way that people
think to get you to eat the most
addictive foods and so it's just a money
making scheme or is there something else
going on the biggest issue in the world
in my opinion is the devil spark and
where food is making us sick we're
getting addicted and it's making us sick
and then the medical system is profiting
it from the fact that everyone's getting
sick so taking the food companies
um in a way if you just take their
interests it kind of makes sense and and
just diving it specifically to working
for Coke they want to grow their
revenues and they want to keep food
cheap and they want to keep it addictive
so you have that strategic imperative
for their business and then it's like
how do we do that and it's very
straightforward it's how do we rig
institutions of trust so who are the
stakeholders the stakeholders or
consumers the stakeholders are lawmakers
so who do they trust they trust
um you know civil rights groups they
trust medical organizations they trust
their schools they trust their doctors
they trust researchers so you literally
just go go down the list and then it's
very simple it's like how do we rig
those institutions as much as we
possibly can when you say rig what do
you mean use them against the public
let's go into specific examples so the
Tweet was about the NAACP so prominent
civil rights organization has done
amazing things in American history but
right now prominent organizations like
the NAACP like the Hispanic Federation
like other many other prominent civil
rights groups are pay-to-play
organizations and this was as
transactional as going to McDonald's and
ordering a Big Mac
um I as a junior person had the
Strategic imperative to racialize the
debate around whether we should stop
food stamp money going to soda which was
a bipartisan issue it's not complicated
right when you call someone a racist or
a sexist right it shuts down the debate
so we call up to NAACP that you know we
the pr firms have their number there's a
lot of Partnerships and you schedule a
meeting and it's not like we're gonna
easily pay you and you're but it's like
hey your constituencies lower income
African-American children like their
Cokes here's the statistic and you know
they're trying to take that coke away
and trying to restrict Choice
um we'd love to do an honorarium a
donation you know millions of dollars in
this case and would you Marshal some of
your uh allies you know in various
States and on the federal level to say
that it's racist uh what's trying to
happen of restricting choice on food
stamps sure why isn't it why isn't that
actually true like maybe that really is
a racist thing to do and maybe we really
should be putting the brakes on it I
mean obviously I don't know that I that
isn't what I believe but I want to at
least look at that angle and figure out
how do we know that isn't true it's
important in the tweet that went viral I
used the word evil and I don't think
from being in the rooms you know with in
this case folks from the NAACP or other
institutions we can talk about I don't
think many people are like truly evil I
don't think the head of Pfizer is evil I
don't think the head of you know a
research group that's doing you know at
universities that's doing fraudulent
research is evil but the system is evil
so let's just take your question here
the NAACP has the express mission of
advocating for their Community which in
their case is African-Americans
particularly lower income and and and
and disadvantaged folks
the biggest civil rights issue in the
country the biggest social justice
history in the country is demonstrably
nutrition uh lower income American man
dies 11 years younger than an upper
income American man this is because of
one thing primarily it is because their
diet is on the lower income spectrum is
massively Ultra processed right it's
from these ingredients sugar seed oils
and highly processed grains and we can
dive into those three but those
literally didn't exist 100 years ago
these are you know biologically just
completely foreign
the fundamental argument is going to
come down to are they trying to get you
addicted are they sup is the government
subsidizing the foods that are most
addictive or does this all start with
good intentions and the government is
trying to subsidize the calories that
they think they can Mass produce for the
cheapest because when you look at you
know everybody thought we're gonna hit
some sort of population crisis this and
we're not going to be able to feed
people and it's going to be you know
cataclysmic doesn't come to pass we end
up finding ways to make food cheaper and
cheaper so it's like is the bargain hey
we've made you really cheap ingredients
corn soy I forget what the the three
hard grained corn whatever we've we've
made these calories extraordinarily
cheap and by the way right we we haven't
punished the people that eat the cheap
calories we've made them extremely
delicious now what you and I know is
bummer City that also ends up causing
all this disease and we're gonna have to
come face to face with that in a second
but first I want to like figure out
did do we think this started with good
intentions maybe does it even matter but
I think it began so I've been I become a
student of this issue and the answer is
yes it did start with good intentions
partly so this started with Nixon so
when Nixon was running for president for
re-election food prices was a huge uh
political issue so it's a big political
liability it was like one of the issues
of the campaign is fluctuating and
increasing food prices so he and and
hunger to some degree but it was really
around fluctuating food prices which
which were being traced to hunger um to
some degree so it was a big political
liability for him and also you could
argue a public policy problem at the
time so that steered This Modern
ecosystem we have today of massive uh
subsidies do you know the moment where
they decided what to subsidize yeah they
decided to subsidize things that become
shelf stable so they could they could
basically manage uh Food Supplies so
that was a shift that that was a
decision to shift from Whole Food but as
somebody that had to make shelf stable
items back in my last company uh it's
really pulling the water out of the item
it doesn't have to be I mean it is going
to be processed but it doesn't have to
be bad for you so did they we just
hadn't run the experiment people didn't
know well it's going to end up 80 of the
80 go right now and I think a lot of
what a lot of this is not in quest to to
what I'm seeing is is to highly
processed grains is to you know enrich
flour basically so if you look at any
you know go to a gas station and pick up
any processed food the first ingredient
probably second and third is some kind
of Highly processed grain and the
process or sugar quite frankly exactly
so so it's sugar acetyls and highly
processed grains it's actually
miraculous what American Ingenuity can
do with those three ingredients you you
take any food into some mixture of those
things and you know it's usually a
multiple sugars multiply highly
processed grains and multiple seed oils
canola soybean things like that so the
processing of the grain means taking the
fiber off which you know the fiber is
what number one blunts the glucose
impact
um of a whole grain right number two
it's where a lot of the nutrition is but
it it erodes it goes stale so the
processing is taking that fiber off so
that's what the 70s with these good
intentions basically did they're like we
need these things to sit on the shelf
for years
um so we're gonna we're gonna we're
gonna take that fiber off and then we're
gonna create these Franken Foods
um and add them with a lot of sugar to
make them more addictive and I know
you've talked to people in the past
who've helped weaponize and I think
weaponize is the right word our food
system you know this is this is one of
the largest Industries in the world and
they've got very smart people and then
as we've you know basically subsidized
and created more Franken foods and you
know since that time ultra processed
food has gone from well below 20 of our
diet to now close to 70 so so the the
incentives and this emphasis started
with good intentions but I but I I'd
actually frame question like taking it
today is like what is the biggest
problem in the world today the biggest
problem in the country like if you stack
rank the things that are gonna uh be
responsible for the destruction of the
American experiment right number one is
the fact that we let ourselves get fat
or sick or more depressed more and
fertile at an increasing rate while
bankrupt in the country I mean we're 20
of you know we it's and I just wanted
like everyone to like really focus on
these statistics because I think when we
talk about the growth of healthcare
spending it's like our eyes gloss over
it's so common to hear this it's like 20
of GDP growing at an increasing rate
Healthcare is the largest and fastest
growing industry in the United States
let's just step out that's awesome and
think of people it's one of those I
think part of why people their eyes
gloss over is Healthcare is tied to like
every one of my employees cares about
their health care right every one of
them on the way in wants to know what
are the options that we offer for
insurance like people really care about
this and so what I think people miss and
this this is where you really got got my
attention yeah is you're like everything
is about creating confusion right and
the goal is just to create enough
confusion whether I'm shutting you down
because I'm calling you a racist and I'm
saying this is problematic or I'm
funding a study that says no no it's not
sugar it's not the problem genetics are
the problem or what's the most recent
one um gas stoves or gas stoves not what
you're cooking on them yeah exactly so
it's like they're they're trying to
create enough confusion so that this
seems like a very complicated thing and
we're all missing the point that the
reality is even this this is where I was
like we can't do this whole interview of
me not ask the questions even though I
don't agree with them they're even in
the hardcore like fitness health
industry people are like a calories a
calorie right and that if you're saying
that one calorie is better than another
you're out of your mind so if it's like
if the people that are shredded and they
look amazing and their whole focus is
Health even they're pushing something
that I'm like at a cellular level you
are out of your mind right then it you
understand how confusion ends up taking
over this whole argument
so I I've it's been an amazing journey
the past couple months as I said I was I
was born a race in DC started my career
there I've been met with 50 members of
Congress and Senators on this issue
actually uh some of them have DM me I've
been doing a lot of work in DC and and I
think even with them very well
intentioned they have kids they see the
massive metabolic dysfunction
pre-diabetes obesity among their
children they're very worried but just
just to paint a picture sitting with
members of Congress
they don't even understand the concept
fully that they're playing the game
that's been created for them where both
parties are debating how to increase
access to the system that's creating
destruction I run a company too and and
Healthcare is very important but
everyone's concerned about access to a
system that is causing violence and my
framework on this you have to explain
that my framework on this is is this is
I think how we've been gaslighted when
you can think of any medical miracle
like what would you say a medical like
to just what comes to mind when you
think of like what's really propelled
life expectancy in the last 100 years
antibiotics great so antibiotics is a
solve for an acute situation it's
something that's going to kill you
imminently that infection you take it
for a week and you stop using it any
medical I would I would argue anyone can
think of her name that's really
propelled life expectancy for it is for
an acute situation you know complicated
childbirth emergency surgical procedures
you know giving birth a hundred years
ago for a woman was more dangerous than
having breast cancer today that's crazy
you know an appendicitis a gunshot wound
you know these medical Miracles and you
know if you have a burst appendix or you
have something that's going to MLA kill
you we have a miracle medical system
Unfortunately today what's happened is
we've taken that trust and we've asked
people to trust the medical system on
chronic conditions so now 90 of health
care costs plus are on managing chronic
conditions of people that are already
sick and what's happened the more stands
we prescribe the more heart disease goes
up the more metformin we prescribe the
more diabetes goes up the more ssris we
prescribe the more depression and
suicide goes you have to be careful with
that one so because that isn't causative
right it's not like as in per well we
don't know I suppose but it's certainly
the studies have not been done to say
that the more statins you prescribe the
more our heart disease goes up but there
certainly is a correlation that we have
not managed to reduce the incidence of
that but there's one thing before we get
lost in that that I want to say is that
the thing that I think people are
missing about health care is that it
isn't Healthcare it's sick care right
and so the whole system is designed hey
something is making you sick which is
great for business if you're in the
quote-unquote health care industry but
the uh the hypothesis I would put down
and I know that you'd put down the same
one is the thing that's making you sick
predominantly there are probably other
problems as well but the thing that's
making you sick predominantly is what
you're eating so you're eating something
that's making you sick in this really
chronic slow uh gives us lots of
symptoms to treat with law lots of
medication that you have to take every
day and that's great for business and so
now you've got insurance companies that
the only way for them because there's
regulations the only way for them to get
their bottom line to go up is to get
more sick people because they have to
pay out what all but 15 or something
that's right so they they they're hemmed
in from how they can make money oh if
more people get sick amazing so while
they're not necessarily driving the food
industry they probably aren't doing
their best to Lobby against the things
that are happening to make certain
things cheaper because those things are
making us sicker so on and so forth so
people switch it and we called it like
sickness management
and then we had preventive health care
then I think there would be a much like
people would approach us with their eyes
open to the real problem you would never
design a system you'd never come down
you know as an alien come down to earth
and see 80 of adults having obesity or
being overweight 50 diabetes or
pre-diabetes rate among adults 93 of
Americans metabolic dysfunctional it's
driving you know 90 to 95 of all health
care costs eight out of 10 leading costs
of death you'd never say let's wait for
everyone to get sick and then give them
an incremental pill one thing I'd push
on a little bit is that I think we put
nutrition and lifestyle habits in this
Niche preventative box you know when my
sister Dr Casey means was at Stanford
Medical School
um and you know a patient with a
debilitating migraines and depression
and hypertension she mentioned maybe
they should look at their diet uh the
attending surgeon said don't be a [ __ ]
and said we did not go to nutrition
school we do serious medical
interventions here which is through a
prescription pad or through a surgical
energy so that is the predominant
mindset in American medicine right
that's doctors aren't nutritionists
there's 90 of doctors uh graduate
without one nutrition class 80 of Med
schools in the United States to this day
Stanford Harvard on down don't require a
single nutrition class to do good to uh
to graduate So Scandalous this is where
it points to something other than evil
this is just moronic
well I think the system is evil I don't
think the dean of Stanford Medical
School is evil right but when Casey was
there the dean of Stanford Medical
School was a pain specialist Dr piso and
he the lifeblood of medical schools
right is is funding and research funding
and the vast majority of that comes from
Pharma so when he was Dean of Stanford
Medical School Dr Philip piso he
accepted a multi-million dollar donation
from Pfizer another leading uh opioid
companies okay and they built a new
center and then he was appointed to the
NIH panel to make in 2011 I believe to
make uh opioid guidance
and he appointed 90 of the people uh
that he brought on that panel also had
conflicts not just with their research
funding but personal Consulting payments
from opioid companies and they created
more relaxed opioid standards and today
when you hear about the opioid crisis 80
to 90 percent of people that overdose
and die from illicit opioids that
started with the legal Prescription Pad
so it's all it's all very nice but like
that's how the system works so it's like
is Philip Piezo who's still at Stanford
is he a terrible person uh I don't think
so but I do think it's a lack of moral
Clarity and frankly a lack of leadership
that they don't call this out you know I
have talked on this journey to leaders
at you know Harvard Medical School to
leaders at insurance companies to
leaders at pharmaceutical companies
they're aware of what's going on but
there's plausible deniability for
everyone in the system so I I do
actually think and and you know I'm
advised you know Everyone likes their
doctor not to attack doctors and I think
doctors by and large are doing great
work on an individual level and trapped
in a bad system but I will say this I
think anyone smart in these systems I I
think understands what's going on and
and it's not it's just going back to
what you said real quick it's not that
we need to stress I don't like this
bucket of prevention
interesting one food is the best
reversal it's the best reversal so let's
just take the ounce of prevention is
worth a pound of cure but but but but I
think we we put food in this Niche it's
very important for prevention we should
be if we if we were creating our
Healthcare System from scratch we'd be
paying you just want them to also use it
instead of drugs for curing someone I'm
asking I'm asking the medical system to
trust the science take somebody with
alzheimer's take somebody with
depression right take somebody with with
other conditions let's take those one by
one Alzheimer's is now called type 3
diabetes the book the end of Alzheimer's
a lot of research coming out of major
universities by far the most uh
efficacious way to reverse you can
actually reverse dementia is a rigorous
food and lifestyle intervention and you
know a lot of people in the medical
system throw up their hands like
nobody's going to do that no patients
are told that I've talked to I have yet
to meet a person whose parents are
dealing with Alzheimer's who's even been
mentioned that from the doctors it's not
in the standards of care you know we we
we Propel government money tens of
thousands of dollars if not more per
patient per Alzheimer's patient we could
pay those patients to exercise like
there's public policy means to promote
what is the best medicine depression 150
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months consistently 150 minutes a week
is according to peer-reviewed academic
studies is more effective than SSRI the
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let's go to another one diabetes we
spend a trillion dollars plus of
government money on Diabetes management
Intel 2018
the American Diabetes Association which
sets the standard of care for diabetes
says that if you take your drugs you can
eat whatever you want they literally
said that on their website they said you
can continue eating whatever food you
want and just just real quick back to
the stands and that form and these drugs
not I would argue actually they are I'd
agree you actually said they're positive
absolutely because what's happening is
when you're given a Statin it's like
this solves the problem right when
you're given metformin literally the
American Diabetes Association is saying
you can even eat whatever you want when
now with ozympic you have Dr Fatima
Stanford at Harvard you know on 60
Minutes saying saying that obesity is
genetic that it is quote not tied to
food or lifestyle that is crazy there is
no Universe in which that was hey what's
up there's no way on 60 Minutes
not 60 minutes there's no way and she
said uh food it it it's it's a relic of
the past to Thai food and she said it's
quote a brain disease and genetic this
issue that's only been an issue in the
past 50 years so so so think about this
this is this is the food food is not
implicated in obesity according to this
person everyone should watch Dr Fatima
Stanford who's the lead obesity doctor
at Harvard uh talking on 60 Minutes she
has paid tens of thousands of dollars a
year a year by nobo nordics the maker of
ozempic and of course this new field of
obesity medicine it stands to gain
lifetime patience so Dr Fatima Stanford
at Harvard has also said that it is
quote structural racism to not have
Government funding for ozembic so let's
go back you know we're going all over
the place here I think it's good I think
this is a complicated multifacet issue
but let's go back to the NAACP right
this is actually crazy
so the NAACP the number one issue for
African-American children right it's
it's skyrocketing rates of diabetes
obesity which is really setting their
their lives back obesity is cellular
dysregulation protecting the brain
you're over two times more likely to
commit suicide or high depression if you
have you know pre-diabetes or you know
or obesity excuse me
diabetes is cellular dysregulation and
obesity is the visual manifestation of
that that's the problem right like the
problem is that there's not great habits
and we're eating inflammatory food so
the NAACP didn't look at that they said
let's keep soda now you wouldn't even
believe this the NAACP is being paid by
ozympic to argue that it's a civil
rights issue to give those same kids
ozympic okay and here's the problem with
that here's the problem with the stand
in that form and this siloing of
conditions when patients are told the
Statin solves the problem the asymptic
solves the problem and don't change what
they're putting in their bodies it's
just so simple they're continuing
patients are going continuing to put
inflammatory food into their bodies
which leads into other you know unlucky
conditions that leads into other
comorbidities eighty percent of people
with diabetes have at least three other
chronic conditions my mom who's really
been in this huge inspiration for me
right is a perfect example of this I was
born at 12 pounds large baby clear sign
that she had metabolic dysfunction she
got high fives from the doctor oh it's a
big baby a great job gestational
diabetes everyone has that a couple
years later she had
um high cholesterol Statin it's a rite
of passage no problem a couple years
later metformin pre-diabetes it's fine
fifty percent of people sixty percent of
people your age have it's not a problem
hypertension medications oh it's fine
you know not even a not even a blip not
even these are rights of Passage
um so she has all these comorbidities
and then she's taking a hike she feels a
pain in her stomach she goes and gets a
scan has stage four pancreatic cancer
and is dead 12 days later Jesus
pancreatic cancer is a foodborne illness
every every single one of those
instances right from my birth on
was an opportunity it was a it was a
warning sign these things are connected
they're not siled conditions heart
disease is not a stand deficiency
obesity is not a Olympic deficiency so I
do think it's very causal and I think
this Ridiculousness of asking for the
peer-reviewed studies to show that we
shouldn't be eating highly processed
[ __ ] is playing on the wrong game we're
the only animal
in the in the world
that systematically obese and metabolic
dysfunctional aside from the animals
that we've domesticated and feed our
food like like we don't need studies for
this you don't have systematic rates of
diabetes and obesity among wild wolves
but dogs that we've domesticated haven't
50 cancer rate and a 50 depression uh
depression rate that's what I that's
what I would argue to you I think it's
systematically happening with the
complexity issue is that we've siled
diseases into all of these Lanes when
Casey graduated Stanford Medical School
she had to decide between 42 Specialties
um right right a doctor devotes their
entire lives you know to a couple square
inches of the body
um that's the way our system works and
we have lost our way on that and we have
really
I think it's gets to actually a
spiritual crisis
um in our country where we've completely
taken ourselves away you know from any
type of curiosity or awe about you know
our bodies what's going into them you
know extra you know exercise movement
sleep looking at the sun you know
literally like if you know looking at
the sun when Casey talked about that in
these more kind of metabolics I assume
you mean get sunlight on your skin don't
look at the sun getting some sunlight in
your eyes I mean Dr human's talking a
lot about that but you know direct
sunlight in your eyes anyway yeah this
is huge before we go on because there's
something really important so I want to
use Cali means to contradict Cali means
so as as we were going you said I really
want people to follow the science and
then you said we don't need studies to
understand this and you put out a tweet
uh which I thought was really amazing uh
heart disease obesity diabetes
depression kidney disease autoimmune
conditions stroke and allergies have all
skyrocketed at the exact time we started
spending money to treat them the medical
system deserves zero trust on chronic
disease management right and so what I
say to all that is I think this goes
back to your initial idea that confusion
is being weaponized but it is confusing
and as somebody that I've had so many
people on the show and the number of
comments that I get from people like
which is it man some people are telling
me I need to eat meat other people are
telling me I need to be vegan other
people are telling me I need to do both
some people are telling me I need
supplements some not supplements some
are saying skin cancer is a result of
getting some exposure other people like
you're gonna die of 18 different cancers
if you don't get sun on your skin it's
like what am I supposed to do
so if I were to boil the nature of the
problem from a non-political standpoint
we'll get to that because I think it's
really important and we we're certainly
going to have to face that but I think
part of what's going on here is that we
have given up on making people
responsible for their own body and man I
get it it comes from a great place
people don't want to see people suffer
but at the end of the day you cannot
just write people off and my favorite
story along these lines is from a guy
named Jim Abrams and he was the guy that
directed the movie Airplane back in the
70s uh and his son had intractable
seizures and they couldn't get him to
stop and he was having like a hundred
grand mal seizures a day like imagine
that stunting your growth your
intellectual developments on pause he
goes to the doctor trying everything
drugs everything nothing's working
nothing's working and then he was like
man I don't trust the medical
establishment I'm going to figure this
out for myself goes and looks it up
finds some ancient study from like the
50s or something something that's like
oh by the way there's this thing called
the ketogenic diet it can be used to
treat
can be used to treat uh seizures right
and so he goes to the doctor and he's
like why didn't you tell me about this
and the doctor's like oh because nobody
will stick with it and he was like
[ __ ] like you need to let me
know what my options are and then we'll
see he puts his son on a ketogenic diet
his son has not had a seizure in like 25
years so the fact that people aren't
even being given like that they're not
studying this first of all is madness
the fact that the doctors themselves I
would love to know us that how many
doctors are overweight and suffer from a
lot of these higher than the general
population because here's the thing they
don't understand because they're they're
abdicating their own responsibility to
say like I should be able to figure this
out so for instance I have a rule in my
own life I avoid supplements wherever
humanly possible I avoid drugs wherever
possible it doesn't mean I don't take
the occasional drug if I need something
let me tell you right now I will [ __ ]
take it and I'm very glad they exist but
but if I I never take a drug until I've
tried some sort of lifestyle or dietary
intervention first
and the number of things that that is
addressed in my life including the one
that I thought for sure was only going
to have a drug solution which was
anxiety and PS if you have anxiety and
you're struggling by all means try a
drug but I would say if you can avoid
being on it every day that would be way
better and for me
the the impact of diet on my anxiety was
life-changing
and so the fact that and this this is
probably this is definitely my own life
philosophy leaking out here man people
need to your life is an exact reflection
of your choices that is going to be
unpopular and people are gonna flame me
in the comments but I'm just telling you
right now if you act as if your life is
an exact reflection of your choices you
will put yourself in the driver's seat
you will make wiser choices and you will
have a shot at getting out of this but
when the pushback on people is well
nobody's going to adhere to that Diet
before we started rolling you said the
argument is people might go from Honey
Nut Cheerios to Cheerios but they're
never going to go from Honey Nut
Cheerios to chicken breast
that is a big part of the problem
because the studies are all over the
place you're going to get conflicting
information but if you just figure out
what works for you you will be fine
so many people are listening this
podcast
from Joe Joe Rogan you know on down for
whether it's a health focused or just
general focus the most popular
Independent Media in the country the
most popular books in the country the
most popular outlets in the country are
talking about people taking empowerment
on their health I think there is a
Sinister and wrong idea about the
American people that's propagated by the
medical system is that they're lazy
think about what we're being told
when you are highly obese your life
expectancy is like eight years younger
right you know my mom was desperately
trying you know to not miss the birth of
my son which he did
she didn't want to miss that she had her
her
um house was stacked with books by Dr
Mark Hyman and Robert lustig and
metabolic Health Pioneers
um people aren't trying to miss walking
their daughter down the aisle
um have a shorter more depressed life
like like this is a lie I think a
Sinister lie that doctors are
indoctrinated with from the moment med
school starts
um that they stand with the prescription
pad and the scalpel you know to clean up
the mess of this lazy American
population that is addicted to their
sugary drinks and their Big Macs and
sedentary Lifestyles
um that is just not the case so there's
a Bottoms Up and a top down and I think
everyone listen to this podcast you know
and reading these books are on a Bottoms
Up Revolution where I think they're
trying to be around longer for their
kids and looking around at kids
concerned I think there is a just an
uprising and just indignation of what's
happening to kids in this country
there's big lobbying groups for
Coca-Cola no lobbying groups the fact
that 30 of kids now are pre-diabetic so
so I just think that whole this whole
idea you know people want to be healthy
that is a premise I refuse to be
dissuaded of
um and people need the information and
the first message that I'm trying to
establish is the first part of Bottoms
Up is understanding the systems that you
operate in and Having the courage to
speak out when the American Academy of
Pediatrics the majority of their funding
comes from Pharma they receive millions
of dollars from the maker of ozempic
they received millions of dollars from
makers of diabetes drugs
right and they said that the first thing
a kid should use highly processed grains
they're arguing where did they say that
the American Academy Pediatrics gives a
pediatricians give a pamphlet out and
they say the first thing you should a
child should eat is is um little Puffs a
little that literally that's what the
recommendation from breast milk to Coke
Puffs to Puffs which is which is just
absurd obviously if you think about just
how we're biologically and evolutionary
made
um you know what to eat
um and of course the American Academy of
Pediatrics with absolute violence
happening against kids you know as we're
subsidizing tens of billions of dollars
for soda why do you call it violence
because their cells are we have violence
occurring to the cells of children
pre-diabetes is violence occurring to
their cells a child born today right a
teenager has a 45 rate of obesity or
um being overweight the 20 fatty liver
disease rate uh 40 of 18 year olds right
now qualify
as having a mental illness
whoa the American Academy of Pediatrics
which is credentialed to set the
standard of care you know for how
children are treated in the United
States a doctor will be reprimanded if
they go against the American Academy of
Pediatrics guidelines they were nowhere
to be found during the food stamp debate
with Coke in fact I was helping to
engineer payments from Coke the American
Academy of Pediatrics which accepts
processed food money at that time I saw
as Coke funneled millions of dollars to
the American Diabetes Association that's
crazy the American Diabetes Association
accepted money from Coke millions of
dollars they said that small cans of
coke you know might be a good idea might
be a good idea or doesn't hurt as much
it was on the website that that small
cans of coke might be an option for
diabetics also the the the group that
credentials and sets uh nutritionist
policy uh accepted money from Coke so
that was a huge strategy so they gladly
accepted money and now the American
Academy of Pediatrics instead of saying
you know that a child who's 12 and obese
needs to learn how to eat whole food not
eat Ultra processed food and not be
sedentary so they can live a mentally
and physically healthy life and be a
productive member of society they are
saying that child needs a shot a weekly
shot of zympic which the label your
racist which the label says that you
should take it for your entire life not
go off of it or you will have massive
metabolic dysfunction I mean you know
just just going to kind of I think where
the lack of leadership moral cowardice
is you can take this to every
institution you know I raised from a lot
of or met with a lot of venture
capitalists for my new thing right A lot
of them are investing in this sick care
system you know Alexis ohani and this
this guy that's very vocal on social
justice issues is on the board of Roe
and is is tweeting now how it's an
urgent imperative what's wrong row is a
uh Rose is the largest direct consumer
one of them they're trying they're
putting up Billboards in New York City
saying that Millennials should be
getting ozympic and they're writing blog
posts saying it's an urgent National
imperative for government funding for
ozympic for for for for 80 percent of
the population whose obese or away to
steer instead of two thousand dollars a
month of government money which is what
ozympic is instead of steering that to
better food we need to steer that to a
zippy you have leading investors now
saying that that's an urgent National
imperative you know who are also talking
about other social justice issues like
that like he's not a bad person this
Alexis still handing a guy but but but
if we're really concerned about that 12
year old a particularly an
underprivileged 12 year old
these incentives have blinded us and I
do think that's violence to kids I think
there is an absolute lack of moral
Clarity among adults
um who are paying their mortgages you
know and and buying their houses in the
Hamptons
um and um and going on their vacations
funded by a safe care system I mean this
is a this is a material part of the
economy 78 of states in the United
States the largest employer is a
hospital system or a food retailer
Walmart these are the really by some
respects the two largest Industries in
the United States so people's mortgages
you know and then then just take it to
the investing and the Consulting you
know for these industries it's it's such
a massive part of the economy we've been
we've been blinded I think
wow okay so I want to lay out what I
think is the solution so we've we've
done a reasonably good job and there's
probably more to go but in terms of the
problem so uh in fact quick synopsis of
the problem you've got
ingredients or crops that are being
subsidized by the government that make
calories cheaper and Eve and delicious
and even if it was started with good
intentions we're now at the point where
um for a certain subset of the
population it is beyond self-evident
that the root cause of most modern
ailments what you're calling eight out
of the ten top killers are what the
words you use are foodborne illnesses
which I like
um I will say food caused so it's your
your diet is causing metabolic disease
and that metabolic disease manifests in
different ways in different people but
it's eight out of the ten top killers
and so you're eating too many grains
you're eating way too much sugar you're
eating way too many highly processed
food items okay that's the problem
that's creating this metabolic
dysregulation which is killing people on
the installment plan all right solution
to me is really simple and people can
argue about the Finesse of this we
whether you should be vegan or whether
meat or carnivore or whatever honestly
on that I don't care yeah but I will say
that the really simple Baseline so that
people don't feel like oh this is all
over my head
eat whole food whenever possible avoid
anything that spikes your glucose uh get
plenty of sleep get sunlight exercise if
you do those like you're going to
minimize your disease burden you're
going to theoretically and this is one I
will say if people want to call me out
and say that the thing that I prescribe
is not going to elongate their life
enough fair enough I won't know until
the end of it we are being lied to that
this is complicated you are absolutely
right and I it's such a simple point
that you just made that I I think we can
almost gloss over that because it's just
like eat healthy sleep
it's the most profound and important
point in America we should like abolish
nutrition research in this country
and give them the list you just said and
try to make public policy around that
simple list but how do you convince
people because to your own Point follow
the science we don't need studies right
it's it's this whip saw of like people
look at the data but you've got people
funding studies to make sure that the
data is Muddy so it's like you and I
both look at certain studies and we go I
have a lot of faith in this study right
but the only thing that the thing that
makes me so arrogant in my Approach is
that I've done it in my own life and so
you can tell me whatever you want about
how I should eat and I just know I used
to be 60 pounds heavier and I'm not now
and I've maintained that for years and
years I if I go like over the holidays I
let loose I eat all the foods that are
going to kill me right it's wonderful
and I really enjoy it for a short period
of time and I put on fat during that
time and I know I have no stress about
it because I know exactly how to lose
that fat
so a lot of the folks that have come on
this show
um and you talked about kind of
complicate the issue is it is it
carnivore or is it vegan should I be
doing hit exercises should I be doing
zone two should I be
the folks that have been at this
microphone have changed my life and and
brought me on this on this path
um I just want to say that I also want
to say that there are incentives I think
among influencers and among researchers
and really among everyone to complicate
the issue
um I think we are being systematically
gas lit by the incentives on every level
uh to think that this is complicated I
take a little bit of objection to some
of the folks with all these protocols
for exercise you know there's there's
heated debate there's tweets that go
viral uh just just slamming you know um
certain exercise mindsets they're saying
you're doing too many hit exercises high
intensity interval training is bad uh
saying that you have to be doing you
know these resistant exercises you know
litigating and slamming the other side I
just have this message I I think we're
losing the plot a little bit here
if you commit to 150 minutes of getting
your heart rate up a week
that is 99 of it
um I don't think there's an epidemic of
people that are committing to 150
minutes a week who are who are not
achieving like right their health goals
or not seeing Improvement I just
personally speaking you know with my mom
dying with me being on this Mission with
a new son in the world worried about him
trying to improve my personal habits I
got very In The Weeds on all the
protocols and then I just committed that
150 minutes and then I became more
Curious and now I research and I are
eating Whole Foods right
this is the list I think it's very much
what you said but it's the Unholy
Trinity if you scan your label and don't
eat seed oils soybean canola sunflower
seed oils which were created in 1910 by
John Rockefeller as an industrial
byproduct of oil production
our body is not biologically created to
eat this is a new substance in our diet
now one of the top sources of American
fats if you cut seed oils if you've got
highly processed grains as I talked
about earlier the processing takes the
fiber off and if you cut added sugar
which is up 100x in 100 years if you
scan your label for those three things
you are 80 there because you'll be
pushed to a largely whole food diet
there's sub so again start with that but
there's some things you're talking meat
or vegetables try to have not ones that
are fresh without a bunch of pesticides
that are organic that are pasture raised
you know we can go deeper into that but
if you cut those three ingredients seed
oils highly processed grain sugar
and this is where I think it gets a
little bit like I think people is it
really that simple yet yes if we geared
not just nutrition policy if we geared
economic and health policy in America
to eliminating or reducing those three
ingredients the amount of human capital
in this country that would be unleashed
the amount of increased fertility the
amount of countries economic
productivity the decrease in depression
it it's unfathomable what would happen
and it really is that simple of
attacking and and I'm not even talking
about bands yet we subsidize hands bands
like you know I'm not even arguing yet
to to ban anything we subsidize those
ingredients over a hundred billion
dollars a year not just food stamps
which is 115 billion dollar program
seventy percent of it goes to ultra
processed foods which is basically those
three ingredients 75 70 to 75 of food
stamps also school lunches federally
subsidized school lunches one of the top
sources of nutrition for children
there's no sugar limit in those lunches
Michelle Obama tried she ended up being
co-opted by the food industry ended up
talking a lot about exercise which is
what the food company pushes people to
do
it in the world but just make sure you
work out that's why I was pushing back
on the 150 hours saying like if you're
not eating whole food already like
exercises oh no it's a stack ranked it's
a stat it's stack ranked you have to get
food right and when I say food-borne
illnesses just to be clear food is
number one but it's it's metabolic-born
illnesses so so let's just be very clear
those ingredients then what should we
put in what should we put into our
bodies I think if you cut those
ingredients you're well on your way but
think about the micronutrients think
about the fiber think about those
Omega-3s you talked about not taking
supplements if you and this is where I
think we're the spiritual element comes
in why aren't we trained in school why
aren't we talking about this amazing
like hunt for elements that help
ourselves in our food why isn't any
curiosity I think it is so fascinating
it's taken me to like you know later in
life to really but it's so interesting
right how what omega-3 versus omega-6
says how you know the for for the all of
human evolution we were you know
predominantly Omega-3s and now we're
like 20 to 1 omega-6s these inflammatory
oils found in processed foods it's
totally totally screwing over ourselves
like nobody doctors don't even know that
doctors don't even know these things but
but get on a journey once you cut those
three ingredients get on a journey of
hunting for the micronutrients the fiber
the antioxidants the Omega-3s and then
you can find those in a vegan diet or a
carnivore diet or whatever I actually
would argue you know that the big
carn