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The following is a conversation with
Yay, the legendary artist, producer, and
designer formerly known as Kanye West on
this the Lex Freedman podcast.
Based off of our connection and just you
being a friend, I need to show you
my two tech companies and get your
perspective on it. Cuz now I have
friends that can give perspective. Like
when I would work on albums, I had other
friends that worked on albums and they
would give me their perspectives on it.
You want to do this? We are doing it.
This is part of it. This is part of it.
Absolutely. All right. Beautiful. Oh,
well, I wanted to finish. The thing is,
okay, you're going to ask me different
questions, but I'm about growing and
building and bringing the idea to life.
So, when I see you, I say, "Oh, this guy
understands how to hire engineers."
Where I'm coming from, coming from
Hollywood, coming from press, coming
from media. all of the guys, you know,
that so many of the guys that have been
like voices and faces and talking heads
or whatever, have not understood how to
engineer product. And that's the reason
why I was able to jump past everyone in
the entertainment field and become um,
you know, whatever the net worth is, 11
billion. I'm going to stop putting the
whole black thing on my worth. like
let's just see where I am on the scale
of life because that's a copout for me
to say richest black guy of all time
because that's feeding into the same,
you know, trauma economy that Black
Lives Matter feeds into. That's why I
love and respect engineers. That's the
only thing that we really need to teach
in school is engineering. We don't need
to teach history. We don't need to teach
anything that is subjective. It needs to
only be engineering taught in school and
everything else needs to be recess.
Nothing that all any force subjective
information is just to weaken and
indoctrinate
our species. And that's what schools do
now. As an engineer, I love hearing you
say that, but to push back, history is
not the interpretation of history might
be subjective, but history has some
facts and they're useful to give a
grounding to the way you do engineering.
I don't 100% believe in anything any
concept of the future or any concept of
history because history was just written
by the victors. Yeah, that's so if I see
stuff happen on the day that later that
day is reported wrong. So, how wrong is
something reported a thousand years ago?
And why would we argue about something
that's not in the now? Because that's
the only thing that everyone can agree
upon is that it is now right now. Yeah.
You try not to make the mistakes of the
past. That's the usefulness of history.
The limited usefulness of history. The
biggest mistake from the past that we
keep making is looking at the past too
much. Giving too much value to the past.
Too much value to the past. We are now.
We are now. We are here. We are one
species. We are one race. We're here.
And it's time. And the leadership is
changing because you have Elon as a
leader. Yay. As a leader. And we are the
top leaders. We're more influential than
the presidents. So you're a human being
with engineering challenges before you
with a stunt player with parlor.
What's the hardest thing in front of you
on the engineering front? That's the
first sentence that any of our species
needs to hear when they're born. You are
a human being with engineering
challenges and I consider consider
challenges to be opportunities in front
of you. Literally like let me see a
piece. I need to write that down. That's
the beginning of our new species
constitution.
I'm gonna do the p paper like this wide.
I'll put it in wide screen. This this
for Rididley. Um uh you
are
no let me like you are
a
being
with
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opportunities.
or challenges opportunities.
I'm sorry I don't spell as good as John
Legend.
Opportunities
and
before you.
I like the before because it can mean
actually can mean forward or before you.
This right here, I've always said I'm
the top five writer in human existence,
but this like this right here is pushing
me to like number four or number three.
It's a good because who would you say is
the top? It's top writer in human
existence. We know who it is. That's
subjective. Who's that? It's factual
though. It's like, okay, who's the top
person in tech history? It's not
subjective.
Wow. There's a non-subjective
answer to both of those. Both of those
people have influenced
30%
of our existence. So the influence is a
is the main metric of greatness. Okay.
One person 30% of our language was the
English language was written by them.
The other person 30% of the products we
used was led by them. So of our language
written by Mo Shakespeare and then the
product product. Look look look Steve
Jobs. Yeah.
You put Steve above like Elons's of the
world because Steve is a designer, not
he's a designer and engineer, but he's a
designer. He's a visionary in the design
space. Well, I would lean to him because
I'm not an engineer, right? So, I'm more
like then you're an engineer. If if
Steve is an engineer, you're an engineer
essentially. He's a cultural engineer.
Like the people who run the emotions of
the world and run the world off of
people's emotions right now are uh
social engineers. And social engineering
is so important like like um city
design. There's a fancier word for that.
Um, but I was uh I was in Oxner last
night to see Anthony Jesselik. Mhm. And
I got to find out what his opening joke
was because I'm doing interviews and I'm
thinking I'm funny and I like that he
said he just kept on saying 20 year
annivers
and his opening joke was so high level.
I realized that I wasn't funny. I
realized that this dude is a
professional at what he does and so many
things are subjective. I always talk
about this. It's like, you know, people
are arguing like is Emily Ratikowski the
hottest, you know, person and I'm like
that's such a subjective thing, but like
if you go and shoot three-pointers with
Steph Curry, it's not subjective, right?
Or if you go and compare bank accounts
with Elon, it's not subjective. And
another thing that's not subjective,
porn.
What about it? Dick size. It's not
subjective. You can measure.
But porn is more about uh more than just
dick size and greatness is more than the
size of the bank account, right? So
there's a subject. Greatness is
subjective though, right? So you do do
you care about the stuff that's
objective or subjective more?
Because greatness to me is what matters.
The bank account comes and goes.
The impact on our society, like you
said, social engineering, the impact on
the collective intelligence of our
species, that what's permeates
throughout the rest of time. I like what
you said. The impact
I'm taking notes. How did you would you
say the impact collective intelligence
of our species? The impact on the
collective
and
when Yay is writing down the words that
came out of my dumb mouth, I have made
it in life.
There's a lot of people that have kind
of like sit through sat through I wanted
to wear a different color hoodie cuz I
was just tired of seeing this hoodie in
all the interviews and
there's a lot of kids that are with me.
They see what I'm saying. Yeah. And they
had to sit through all of the muck of
all the previous interviews to get to
this. Every interview has been just an
emotional,
it's just like been an argument up to
this point. This is the first of
this is the next frontier of where our
species is going to head. It starts
here. It starts with you, Lex. So, this
is the first time I heard you say the
word engineering at least so many times,
which I love hearing. So this is where
you're at. You're like that newborn.
You're a being with engineering
opportunities. Yeah. And we're all a
newborn cuz in Christianity we say born
again. We're all newborns and everyone
can uh everyone shall I like the word
can. Uh shell. The only thing about
shell is like it kind of dictates and
can kind of kind of let people off the
hook. So, I haven't found the perfect
post Shakespeare and post Steve Jobs and
post Elon and post Yay and post Drake
way to communicate this. Um,
but we update and we do and what the
current media structure. No, it's not
actually nothing that's holding us.
There's nothing actually holding us back
because I'm still alive. I'm still
alive. Like they could have killed me
at, you know, George Bush don't care
about black people. They could have
killed me at Beyonce had the best video,
but we're here now. So, we just keep on
leaning and leaning and leaning. And
there's these things where I just think
about, you know, there'll be times when
I'm at war
and
every now and then when the when the
bomb stop going off and all the
headlines and the smearing and all that
stuff going off, I think about my family
and I'll think about Kim and I think
about how, you know, King Koopa has her
in the castle right now and just on uh
Mario Brothers, you know how it is. just
keep go for the princess and you get to
this level and it's like
I'm like I sung the song wrong. Right.
And then they take the princess again.
Which one are you? Mario. Yeah.
What's your uh favorite thing? The thing
you love the most about Kim from a Mario
perspective and the princess
looking back.
Was there a moment? She's definitely my
favorite of all time. Yeah. Was there a
moment that you know like that catches
you off guard and you say, "I love this
human being."
Yeah. I mean,
it's just the the DNA is like she's a
mix of Rob and Chris.
Can you explain? I mean that's like a
really high pool right there.
Those are like two geniuses.
So okay. So like the entire of history
of uh evolution of the human species
created this DNA that created this
being. There's a life there. There's a
set of memories in the history that
brought you together and you're like
damn I like this DNA.
Yeah. And certain people have just like
high DNA. Ivanka Trump has high DNA,
you know. It's like, how's your DNA?
Pretty good. Uh I I think we've seen
that. It's been proven. I mean, but look
at my look at my mom and look at my dad.
You know, me and my dad have a water
purification center in the DR
uh right now. And my my dad is the
original Steve Jobs. and he was blocked
by people around him and people were
using him and taking advantage and you
know not believing in his vision. He's
my dad's the educated version of Yay.
What'd you learn about life from your
dad?
And my dad got girls too. But those are
small details. That's a big detail.
Being that I found my dad's, you know,
Playboy when I was 5 years old, it it it
greatly affected my motivation. Yeah.
All right. So that's part of the engine
that drives. Yay. Absolutely. I remember
when Forel was first in all the videos
and my girl was like, uh, girls like
Forel and I was like, I want girls to
like me, too. Funny that that's behind
all the ambition, all the drive. That's
how we make people. It's how people are
made. It's the desire to be loved.
Is that at the individual level just
being noticed and also at the societal
level of scale? Well, now
I've I've gone past I'm like at that
place where Nikolai Tesla was uh later
into his career where it wasn't about
being loved. It wasn't about sitting at
the dinner parties next to Anna Winter
and stuff. It was about getting the idea
across. So, I have these
cells
that are very and I just keep on saying
really Scott, but really Scott has a
special
anointing. It isn't just sci-fi what
he's doing. There's something in there
just like George Lucas.
There's something different that's
there.
So,
what are you drawing? I'm drawing these
new living cells that we will exist in
and this is over.
Okay, let's do like
I don't like talking about money because
like man-made money anyway is like four
quadrillion
respected dollars and then you have
other forms of currency. Of course,
social currency is super important right
now, but this is a drawing
and it's at a pretty good place.
Now, this be 40,000 square ft. I want to
start just talking in meters. I just
think we should go to anything to
restore the Tower of Basil. Like they
said when the uh
I'm just draw a person here for scale.
Uh yeah, that would help. Okay.
What do you think of that? Look at my
person. See the scale in this room? All
right. So, wait. The dot is the person.
Yeah. I'm saying it's 40,000 square ft.
But that would be like other parts of
the cell. Okay. So, what it's a screen.
It doesn't go all the all the way to the
top. And it's one hole for light, but
the water and the light and air all come
in from the top. So, that's like
like the mouth. And then this is the
belly button. We're God's iPhone. We're
his greatest creation.
So this is all connected. These are all
connected. Yes. I'm drawing how these
other cells go next to each other.
What's the vision here?
Happiness. Then we talk about like
what's the motivation? Like yeah,
there's a motivation somewhere in the
back of my mind of
my family.
And
if it's like where Moses smite the rock
and God didn't allow him to
get to the promised land because the
promised land is family. That is the
promis. That is earth. I mean that is
heaven on earth is family. Family is
heaven. That's the promised land. And
for your family to be together. Uh so
say I smite the rock and God doesn't let
me have my family back. My mission in
life is still to
promote families at all costs and make
famil family's existence easier. So you
take this thing then you put localized a
localized farm say if it's in community
that we we do localized growing and then
we partner with big farmer and on and
say hey you're actually going to make
more money by making better food cuz at
the end of the day you want money right
now it's like everyone knows that
between the pesticides and between the
medical industry and especially America
that we're keeping people sick and we
know that McDonald's makes food that
kills people and you you know, Coca-Cola
is selling, you know, sugar water and
all this. Like,
just in case I haven't pissed off enough
people in power. Yeah. Okay. So, you're
going to piss off the sugar anybody
that's powered on sugar. Yeah. Sugar.
Well, sugar, what's the health was
actually a document documentary on
sugar. It wasn't about how bad meat was.
It was like a reverse documentary on
sugar. a rever I don't know if you call
a reverse like a sub but if you watch it
again when they show sugar in it it's
just the sugar looks super clean.
Yeah. Just so as I state as I state
these things I know that I know I have
protection if I have God's protection.
That's why I'm here to this date. Right?
So it it's for me to have this platform
and express exactly what I feel because
it's kids out there, right, that
um it's kids that are going to save the
world through engineering and through
facts and I've got to get download as
much of the information and as much of
the don't be afraid to state your facts
is the biggest thing because the world
is being ran by fear and at is no
actually God runs the world but there's
this like little cloud this patina of
our ego
uh that deals with the money and the car
and the girl we're dating and all this
in the clothes we wear and spending too
much on clothes and a lot of stuff that
I've been involved with promoting. So
now what I'm promoting is you have the
idea, you say it out loud. Like you like
if you had Tourette's, say your truth
out loud. If you hate Yay, you hate me.
Say that out loud. Say whatever you feel
out loud. Like you say it nonviolently,
you know, nonviolent. Nonvi have to say
that like as you know, you know, as a
shout out to Alex Jones, you know, and
Trump where they try to say that when
they say their truths out loud that it's
inciting violence. Let's be like really
clear. I'm saying that they have uh
criminalized free thought. The you know
they I hate when people use they. Like
they gets the blame for everything,
right? It's always they. Who the who the
fuck is they? Exactly. The problem is
they is us. Yeah. Well, I love that.
What we need to do is turn I to we so we
take the responsibility and turn they to
us. So we take accountability
to us.
They I to we and they to us. And that
relates it's a language at the same
time. You're seeing the language of our
surroundings. You're seeing the language
of
one one of the things. Okay, let's go
back to the sale explanation because I'm
also doing a what's that thing when Elon
just put all the information in the open
and people could figure out if they
could figure it out and open source.
Yeah, open source. So, I'm open sourcing
this idea right now so that you know
engineers and anointed people
uh beings, anointed beings can
collectively contribute to this to push
our species forward. Um, so where I've
got to with my research is that there
will be a hole at the top that allows
natural light, natural air, and there's
a constant water system. So, it becomes
like a water city where it's a constant
flow uh that's not it's it's
regenerative. It's not wasting the water
and it's just a constant flow. So I put
the toilet really close to where this uh
this
I don't want to call it a wave pool but
in the pool the water is not still. So
that exists in in water
surrounded by water. Well the living
room is the you have two rooms. You have
the dry room which people have called a
living room before and then you have the
wet room.
How is that a source of happiness?
What is what is uh broken about our
world today that that gives you in terms
of the pursuit of happiness which is one
of the things all of our building the
previous declaration of independence.
All of our buildings are based on just
the industry and the economy. And then
people lean into what people are used to
seeing
like
what we think is attractive cuz then you
go back to
the you know women who give life. So,
everyone wants to be attractive
to the attractive and that's the reason
why the media
goes and gets, you know, Bella Hadid,
Kim Kardashian,
uh, Emily Radikowski.
Um,
those are the only ones I'm gonna uh,
there's more. There's more, but I'm I'm
thinking of ones that I think are
attractive. It is subjective. Yeah,
because it's subjective. So, to my
subjective, which I think I think
uh the only guys that can argue with me
on um on my opinion on girls would be
Brad and Leo because we're the only ones
with the track record, you know,
everything else. So, for everybody else
is subjective. We've got history. So,
are you are you are you happy?
Absolutely. I'm just here. It's actually
it's difficult to make me
unhappy. Now, I could deal with
frustrations,
but when those frustrations are, it's
like
when you've allowed people to be in your
life that shouldn't be there, and then
they do the thing you knew they were
going to do, and you're screaming at
them, but you really need to scream at
yourself.
Yeah. So, you realize anything that's
like anger or frustration, that's
something that's wrong with you that
needs to be dealt with.
Yes. Like right now, okay, say I got
this pattern cutter that I wanted
to remove because I felt like she was
copying our patterns into the computer
and I didn't know why she wanted to do
that and I just wanted to do the
patterns by hand and then you know you
mean like automating the patterns. Is
that what you mean? Am I head of a
because they just that's the whole
thing. It's like
it's a war of it's a war of human beings
and robots. It's like yeah but that
makes it more efficient, right? You
don't like the efficiency. You like the
creativity of the singular nature of the
pattern. I believe that the human beings
and I'm saying this to you as a person
who makes robots and a person is friends
with you. I'm deeply offended right now.
Yeah. But I Yeah, I'll let it go. Okay,
good. So yeah, I believe that the Yay
hates robots.
Not I'm not going to put that out there.
It's a joke. Robots have feelings, too.
Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That was also
a joke. Was it? We need to clarify that
for future robots.
But the pattern cutter. The pattern
cutter. You don't like that. That had to
be that. That's You can't have that part
of your life.
That's not what I'm I'm my everything
that I'm doing is for
the sake of the human race.
There's things in capitalism. There's
things in technology. Well, tech
technology and original human species
can exist
in a peaceful way
as long as the people that know how to
make robots aren't using their robots to
control the humans.
Lex, it definitely is something you have
to be concerned about as we become more
technologically savvy. That, my friend,
is why engineering isn't everything that
you have to desperately study the
lessons of history. In Nazi Germany,
science was used to create atrocities.
Engineering the same. Engineering could
be a tool of war. We we are still in the
Holocaust.
Uh a friend, a Jewish friend of mine
said,
"Oh, come go visit the Holocaust
Museum." And my response was, "Let's
visit our Holocaust Museum, Planned
Parenthood. With all due respect, I grew
up in the Soviet Union. I'm Jewish.
Parts of my family perished in the in
the Holocaust of Nazi Germany. I have to
push back that there is a difference of
the atrocities at that scale at that
time on an entire people. I was going to
say the number that's the difference.
It's not the number because 6 million
Well, also African-Americans are
actually Jew also. The lost tribe of
Isra that too. Okay. So, well, everyone
came from Africa. I am African. I'm
basically African-Amean. We're brothers
and we're both Jew and we're brothers.
So, we're human. 6 million people died
in the Holocaust. Over 20 million have
died by the hands of abortion. And the
media promotes the my body, my choice,
which is actually still a promotion for
Planned Parenthood.
50% of black deaths
a year is actually abortion. It's not
It's not the cop with the knee. It's not
black-on-black violence and gang
violence. It's not heart attacks. It's
actually abortion. The most dangerous
place for a black person in America is
in their mother's stomach.
this 900 to a million abortions in the
United States a year. I hear you. But
there's something about the rape, the
torture, the murder of children, women,
men, the complete humiliation and just
the suffering that was endured during
World War II. That's what we deal with
on our TVs right now with black people.
Soros would use black trauma economy for
to win an election.
What I love is having a healthy
conversation and as opposed to there's
certain things, you know, boom, this
drops, people going to have pussy hats
on. Boom, this drops, it's going to be,
you know, black people and white people
with signs. Boom, this drops. So, hey,
China. Hey, left agenda. Hey, what we're
going to do is say that our species can
have a healthy conversation. Do it's Can
I just linger on this? Because when you
say Jewish media,
it there's a echo of a pain that people
feel that reminds You're saying You're
saying it's redundant, right? No, I'm
not saying it's redundant. I'm saying
it's redundant. You're saying it's
redundant. It's a redundant. saying it's
something that I'm saying that it's
something that Joseph Gerbles, the
propaganda minister of Nazi Germany,
said. I'm saying it's been said so many
times in order to murder and torture
Jewish people that it just rings wrong.
I know. And that's the thing. Just like
the N word when spoken by people that
that have the same skin color as me, it
reminds people of a very dark time. I
know. If if Jewish people would accept
that I'm Jew, then they would see what
I'm saying in a different way. They
would hear it in a different way. But
see, the people you saying you're
Jewish, that No, I'm Jew, not Jewish.
Jewish means like that of a Jew. I'm
saying I'm Jew. You're a Jew. Blood of
Christ, Orthodox Christian, right?
But that are you um
are you a follower of the philosophy of
the black Hebrew Israelites?
Because that's where the idea comes
from.
Not all of those folks are extremists,
but some are extremists. I'm a follower
of the idea. I have a vague idea that
all people came from Africa.
But what I wanted to do Yeah. Now, okay.
Now, I could Andy Kaufman this about
seven more minutes. Yeah. And then tell
you what it is, what what the whole
point is. Let's count. Seven minutes.
No, I did this to do a spoiler alert.
Sure. Spoiler. What's the first thing I
said at the beginning?
We're talking about engineering and
humans. We're all And I said, and then
what did I say? We shouldn't focus on
race. Not just that. I said they
shouldn't teach this in school.
history. The history because what they
do, what schools are doing is exactly
what the CIA does with Pixar films and
Disney films. They make Bambi's mom die
in the beginning, right? And off that
pain comes a purchase of ice cream. Off
that pain comes I need some more toys.
Off that pain comes I need a bigger
house. Off that pain comes I need more
girls than my wife. off that pain comes.
So they put that pain in to make us uh
now we're the orphans of capitalism to
make us be consumers and we need to be a
community not just consumers. So I could
have went another seven minutes by being
a person
who presents himself in a way that says
well I don't have to feel your pain
because I also have pain too that's not
being recognized. And in every interview
when I say, "Well, why' I get to the
point of putting up the tweet?" Uh, no
one wants to understand why I got to
that point. You had pain. You had pain.
Yeah. But no one pain in your heart. But
the Let's say this, undoubtedly, Jewish
people have a lot of movies about
that pain and black people have a lot of
movies about the pain of slavery, right?
It's almost impossible to find a movie
about Mansamuna. When you go to the
African History Museum in Washington DC,
it doesn't start with the idea of
Africans being kings. It starts with the
idea of Africans being slaves. But
here's another interesting point about
this. This was said to me one time and
it stuck with me as a family member of
mine.
with Africans. How many times you've
heard like a rapper, you know, talk
about we were kings.
That's incorrect.
If we're Jew,
if we're Jew, and since we are, we
weren't the kings. We were the slaves
that Moses freed.
Africans have always said, we've heard,
you've listened to rap music and hear
black people say, "We kings, we blood of
the pharaohs.
And
if we are Jew, then we weren't. We were
the people that Moses freed.
And when we talk about, have you heard
black people talk about 400 years of
slavery? Mhm. All right. That isn't rep.
And we're having this history lesson,
right? I thought history doesn't matter.
You're exploring ancient history and
drawing deep wisdom from it and at the
same time saying we need to forget all
of it.
We need to put that behind us.
Absolutely.
We need to forget it and we need to move
forward. There is so much wisdom to draw
from history. Even the 20th century,
look at this. Communism
without the lessons of history of the
20th century. Communism sounds like a
great idea except that some of the worst
atrocities
conducted by Stalin and Mao that killed
5000 plus million people not just killed
tortured starvation where people the uh
cannibalism they ate each other they ate
their children there's there's just dark
people people should read some books on
this on the uh Hollandmore in the 1930s
that lesson we would and now it's
becoming more popular. Marxism and
communism. I'm not disagreeing that that
happened. I'm disagreeing that
we need to harp on the things that
happened because the truth is I'm giving
a fact. 50% today of
let's say you don't call black people
Jew, right? Black people's deaths today
is abortion. today, right now, like
that. It's not racism. That's too wide
of a term. It's genocide and population
control that black people are in today
in America that is promoted by the music
and the media that black people make
that Jewish record labels get paid off
of or media companies. Uh, record label
is a media company also. So, let's give
it a wider. You know, I agree with
Martin Luther King. I have a dream too
that one day you would not be judged by
the color of your skin or your race,
black or Jew, but by the content of your
character. All the assholes that fucked
you over in the music industry, fuck
artists over in the music industry are
individuals. They're not Jews. Can you
Can you They are They are Jewish. It
doesn't. They're human with
opportunities and they took those
opportunities. I don't care if they're
Jewish. Do you feel like I should
release that pain and separate it?
Yes. Okay. So, if that if Okay. So, if
you're saying I should release that pain
and separate it, then I'm telling you,
you should release your pain and
separate it. And we could get to this
the list of how you are being with
engineering opportunities. That's 100%.
I see what you're doing. That exactly
you're doing the pain. I'm going to let
it go. Engineering challenges. I get it.
One of the problems you highlight is
people get fucked over in the in the
music industry and get fucked over in
the media. Get fucked over all over the
place. They created there was a there
was a Jewish trainer that brought me to
the hospital and put in press that I
went to the hospital. I got I know
friends that off of exhaustion a Jewish
doctor they diagnosed you keep saying
Jewish because they were right diagnosed
me with bipolar disorder and shot me
with medication and put me on medication
then put it in the press and every time
even if I wore the wrong color hat that
a nigger is not supposed to wear right
then they immediately say he's off of
his shit he's off his meds he's off his
rocker and it's literally uses a scarlet
letter control mechanism for the people
understand the kids, the colleges, the
high schools. Where do you think they
put me right now? They put me as the
prophet, not the leader. It doesn't have
to be the leader, right? Cuz we we need
we need a more uh intelligent person to
be the leader, but at least, right, they
put me as the prophet. They put me as
the only person that would say this. And
I'm just saying that was four Jewish
members that controlled my voice because
for the fact that 90% of black people in
entertainment from sports to music to
acting are in some way tied into Jewish
business people. meaning that in some
way just like if if Rahm is sitting next
to Obama or Jared sitting next to Trump,
there's a Jewish person right there
controlling the the the country. The
Jewish people controlling that who gets
the best video or not, controlling what
the media says about me. Jewish person,
not Jewish. Let me just say one thing.
But they are though. That's the only
thing. It just so happens that they are.
It just happens they are. That doesn't
mean that I hate them. That just means
that they are. But it's a it's a dog
whistle to let me let me just say as I
would love to add more love to the
world. I would love you to do that as a
person with a big voice with a big
powerful voice that a lot of people look
up to. And when you say Jewish media,
it's funny how this world works that
way. When you say Jewish media or Jews
are controlling the voice of black
artists, black people, black artists,
when you say that, am I not allowed to
say it out loud? You can say it. There's
a large number of people that are
hurting and have anger and even have
hate in their heart when they hear when
they hear Jewish media, they start that
hate starts being directed towards the
Jewish people.
Do you acknowledge that? That's Do you
understand? Can you feel the hate in the
world? That's when that uh that comes to
the surface when you say stuff like
that. Okay. I I feel that
when we go into therapy, my dad was a
therapist and obviously I've got some
therapy skills myself. A lot of people,
my music is healing.
These type of spa-like existences are
healing. The color palettes I use are
healing. And we can use healing words,
right?
What I really feel there I feel that
there is no accountability and no
responsibility on Jewish people in media
to at least start with owning up with
the facts of what's dealt with and tell
me if I say the facts out loud to to the
point of Arya Emanuel writing a letter
in the Financial Times trying to take
food out of my children's mouth telling
people that they're not allowed to work
with me even Chris uh Como or Pierce
Morgan getting me to apologize and
separate
Jewish business people to from the
families of the Jewish business people
which I did update I did that already
happened and the way that was a shitty
apology that wasn't really an apology
but shout out for that conversation I
get on my knees and kiss the dick of
Howard Stern and you don't need to kiss
anyone's dick I don't but that's what
You guys are acting like you guys look
at that because you're talking about
it's a shitty opinion
apology. But where's our fucking
apology? Watch this. We we don't get
Thank you. Now let's move on. Sorry.
Oh, do I need to get on my knees or no?
And kiss my dick. Oh shit. So this
escalated quickly. So uh that's
escalated quickly. So, um, the, uh,
no, I'm saying, where's our apology?
But, right, we can't get to apology
because you're telling me there's no
right way for me to word it. So tell me
for me a person who's been fucked on my
deals and a person that has friends that
never figured out how to make shoes with
a German company that couldn't tell me
to wear a BLM shirt and take off my red
hat like what would have happened if I
was at Nike, right? Um uh tell me
exactly how to engineer the situation
I'm in. tell you exactly how you got a
big voice, have the balls as a man to
call out the individuals. Don't call
them Jews. Call them by their name and
start a war against those individuals.
They're not Jewish. But if that's the
case, will you help me with that? Sure.
100%. Assholes are as well. Let me like
flip that too. I don't understand the
industry. Well, I I I see that people
are fucking people over for sure, but
how do you solve that? If you run, if
you right now run the world's uh you're
doing a million things, but say you ran
also a record label. I have run a record
lab. Well, I've been ran by a record
label where I was the face of a record
label and had Big Sean and different
people complaining to me and I knew fuck
about running a record label. I was
simply just a talented producer and an
influencer that then started good music,
but I wasn't the one running good music.
How would you do it differently? This is
something I I propose. I would look at
the top 10 execs in three fields in
sports,
uh, film and music.
And I would look at the top 10,
uh, clients, participate, act, talent. I
would look at the top talent in each of
those field, the top 10 of them. And
some of them are going to be Tom Brady.
Some of them are going to be Taylor
Swift. Some of they're not all going to
be black, right? Some of them. So,
uh, some of them would be Adele, right?
Uh, and we'll look at all their
contracts
transparently and we'll compare the
notes and re-engineer like it's a new
constitution. Because when I told my dad
when I was 19 that I was going to get
into the music industry, he begged me
not to. He said, "I heard it's
treacherous." Now, I'm in a position
where I've been through it. I saw it. I
went out, made some money somewhere
else. I saw my name get smeared. I saw
my family get destroyed. I saw my
reputation get destroyed. And I'm back
here to have this kind of I'm back here
as a being with engineering
opportunities. So, wait a sec. If you
say it's a shitty apology, what is the
version
uh of the apology short of kissing
Howard Stern's dick? I don't think
anyone wants to kiss Howard Stern's
dick. That's the whole point, Howard
Stern. Nobody wants to kiss your dick,
so shut the fuck up. I said, "And by the
way, I'm antagonized you, Howard Stern.
I used to be a fan of you." Yeah, me,
too. Yeah. Now, I'm still a fan. Now,
now you're just doing clickbait like
everybody else. Now you're just a sad
old man, Howard. All right. Now, Howard
Stern, this is the first time anyone's
said your name in years. Your own family
doesn't say your name unless they're
calling to get their bills paid.
You're going hard. Uh, I'm just See,
that's beautiful right there. That's
much better than calling Jewish media.
Call Go after individuals. Okay. Go
after individual. If you don't talk shit
about me, talk shit about me. This is
great. And you know what that is? Yeah.
What's that?
Engineering. That's an engineers
approach. Yeah. Engineers. Yeah. Yeah.
You should learn some of that. We all
can use our pain against each other or
we can say we're a being with
engineering opportunities and we can
know about history. So let me change
something. We can have
a just to be judgmental. People say thou
shall not judge. I was talking to
Camille Vasquez. She says I'm very
judgmental. That's what we're doing. We
I I I believe now you could go to Bible
and one thing's going to say one thing,
another thing may be contradicted a way
and then the pastor has to unpack it. I
believe
that we are to judge. If you look at
some food and it's got a fly coming out
of it, you can then judge at that point.
You're supposed to use your better
judgment. But whenever someone doesn't
want to change something they're doing,
they'll say, "Don't judge me." Right?
But as a species, you called for me. You
got the breakthrough. And by the way,
it's only a engineer that I would
respect to tell me of how of how to
update how I'm communicating because
this started off right. I've been
through all these um interviews.
Let me go to this. You said this was a
uh sorry apology. I was very specific. I
said the Jewish because by the way it's
a barrage, right? It's a thing where I
don't even remember the names at a
certain point, right? It's like if a if
a girl was getting raped by men,
if that person is not 18, right? And she
was getting raped since 14, right? and
she's still got this face, this super
like Ireina Shake level face, right? Uh,
she might say, "I hate men." That woman
may say, "I hate men." She might get to
that point because she was raped on my
contracts and no one can say this is
ramped up. No one Howard Stern can't say
this is ramped up. Ari Emanuel can't say
this is ramped up. George Soros knows
damn well that I'm not ramped up. George
Soros knows like, "Wow, this guy's like
a younger guy that's looking at what I
did and looking at how I control the
world silently and he's calling it out
and he's not using any of the fear
tactics. I can't send his homeboys
around him. I can't send his wife to
him. This guy, that's what George Soros
sees, right, when he's dealing with me,
right? So, what you guys are actually
asking me to do, I'm comparing myself to
that 18-year-old beautiful
uh woman that had been mistreated by men
for uh four years of her life, right?
And you're saying, you know, as a man
you can't blame all men. And I'm saying
as a responsible
um forward philosopher leader, okay,
I'll drop the pain and I will specify
because I'm up here. I lost my fucking
family. I lost my kids. I lost my best
friend in fashion. I lost I lost the
black community. I lost, you know,
people said I lost my mind. All of these
things. Lost my reputation. And I'm up
here just like I just want my family,
but I don't want my family to have to
say what the left wants us to say. I to
have to say what China wants us to say.
I want to be an American and protect my
kids and protect my wife and raise my
kids as Christians and have my wife be a
Christian and innovate and America made
rock and roll. I want to innovate as a
creative person and be a successful
American. But all of that had been taken
away from me. So I'm coming back and I'm
removing the PSTD right now, right? I'm
standing up and saying the only way that
we're going to be able to get past this
in the way God is going to um use me
right now is for me to stop talking
about the pain, stop talking about what
happened and do something about it. And
that's where I'm at right now in this
moment. like, yeah, people agree. At
least there was something where you
could say he has a reason of why he got
to that tweet. And what you're doing for
me today is saying,
you know, uh, that was a sorry apology
and let's specify. I'm not asking for
anyone out here to empathize or
sympathize for a, you know, a dude worth
11 billion dollars that can make money
disappear
out of thin air in five different
industries. You know, I'm not asking for
the I'm not asking for anybody to
sympathize with someone who's married to
Kim Kardashian, dated Ireina Shake, like
I feel like I'm just not going to get
the sympathy vote in this situation.
Right. So, I feel your pain. I feel your
pain. Yeah. I feel like no one's going
to feel my pain. Only Only Brad and Leo
can feel my pain. Right. So the so uh uh
but still but here today when you said
as a sorry apology,
what's the what's the apology that
you're looking for as a as a Jewish
engineer? Oh, not say as Lex. Let's not
talk about you being Jewish. As Lex,
what's the apology that you want me to
say to Am I allowed to say Jewish? Tell
me. Is it anti-Semitic for Yay to say
Jewish out loud? No, there's uh I don't
like the allowed that presumes
censorship. I think you choose you have
a powerful voice. You did I prove Did I
Did I prove that there was censorship
over the past two weeks? I prove who
censored you. Oh, drink champs. Who's Oh
my lord. Oh, like Twitter and so on.
Twitter. That has to do drink champs.
That hurt you. that drink champs. Uh
that no took it down took down your
conversation. No,
it didn't hurt you.
Man, you got to be honest about the
We're still the kids we used to be. I
put my hand on the stove to see if I
still bleed
and nothing hurts anymore. I feel kind
free.
Noah, do you think
you know I I went to Japan for two to
three months, right? The day I had
Sunday service, my kids are supposed to
be there and my kids are nowhere to be
found. And I text Kim and say, "Where
are my kids?" We get into an argument
and then I get a text from a number I
don't know and it's Pete Davidson
bragging about being in bed with my
wife.
Then
just fucking with you. Well, at that
point it's like
they're trying to put me in jail or put
a friend of mine in jail
because then I'm gonna go surround the
hotel and do all, you know, do something
which would have me not be able to be
here. And instead, I walked away from
that situation. I went to Japan like the
samurai that I am and went to the top of
the mountain. And cuz I knew that I mean
I knew there was no way she could love
this dude. Not just because he's ugly.
He's not black. She likes black guys.
Every guy that she, you know, is with
looks exactly the same. Ray J, uh,
Reggie Bush at that time, Kanye West,
she has a type just like how I have a
type. Like a lot of my girls look kind
of similar to her because in a video
game character, people have people have
their type, right? So, I knew that this
was like the the princess has a type and
she likes Mario. Right. There you go. As
somebody cares for you and hopefully can
be a friend. Yay. I got to say these
words and the words about Jews is not
the words of a samurai,
of a great man. I would say, you know,
you said
something that inspired that resonated
with a lot of people when you said
George Bush doesn't care about black
people. I have to say as somebody who
cares for you that yay, the artist
formerly known as Kanye West doesn't
care about Jewish people. In the same
way you spoke about George Bush being a
politician and not giving a fuck about
the poor people that suffered after
Katrina, you're not giving a fuck about
the suffering of the Jewish people
across the world. Why am I not? Because
you're feeding you're giving strength,
motivation. We already updated. I gave
an apology. You said it wasn't good
enough. Yeah, that's right. It's not.
And now you're telling me no, I'm not
going to You don't need to kiss anyone's
dick. What you asking me to say it was
wrong to say there's no Jewish media.
There's no Jewish uh there isn't there's
no control of the media by Jewish
people. You're an engineer, brother. If
you're an engineer and you're not
holding to the truth, that's not
engineering. Engineering is not that's
not that doesn't that's hate. That's not
engineering. Engineering is I'm going to
build a better record label. It's called
stereotyp. I'm going to respect our
stereotypes exist for a reason.
Engineers don't do stereotypes.
stereotypes are dumb. They allow you to
channel hate towards the other. You know
what the biggest thing is? Yeah. With
something a veteran that was sitting
next to me at Cheesecake Factory last
night, uh he said,
you know, the the general justice, he
serves for whoever is the president,
right? And he said, what's happening in
politics is we're forgetting we're on
the same side.
We're forgetting we're on this. This is
someone is practically now he's a nurse.
So he's still, you know, fighting for
humanity in a way. He went from holding,
you know, guns in battle to being a a
nurse and uh when people are battling
for their lives. And he said, "We're
forgetting we're on the same side. This
is a person that no matter who becomes
president, he can still be told to go to
war.
And the chaos that's created by the
media
has split the country in half. And what
we what us as beings with an engineer
opportunity need to do right now is find
the blue water. Where do we where are
places that we agree on? And I want you
to finish everything. Hey, I'mma let you
finish
everything he
want to express to me. Get off all I'm
your I'm your scarecrow today. I'm your
I'm your punching bag today for
everything I did. And I want you to
stand up for all of the hate that I'm
your Al Gore when he lost the election.
remember he almost became a punching bag
for the lady that had voted on him and
she just said all this stuff and he's
like I know I agree with you right but
there's nothing you know that he could
do about it with this it's like things
that you're saying I agree with you know
it's like if you sit some kids in the um
in the principal's office and I punch
somebody right I took I took my hand
right as
what it really means means even Arya
Emanuel had to say this is a pop icon,
right? And I went and just punched
an entire people at one time or said
that I was about to. I went like this,
right? And I got blacked out, black
mirrored, done, right? And it's like,
what were you even going to do? And why
did you go like this?
I went like this because
I I can't even do I would I would look
insane to physically show you uh a
metaphor
a a physical representation of my last
20 years of what I've been through as a
musician, as a father, and as a black
person with a political opinion. A great
man still through the pain does the
right thing. And I think the right thing
is to not say that there's Jewish
control of the media. And that's
incorrect though. That's a fucking lie.
There is. And they did come and bully
me. It proved the point. No. The reason
you don't say it is because the world is
much bigger than the forgive me the
narrow little world you exist in. Your
impact stretches way past those little
boardroom meetings over contracts. So
what should I have done? What should I
have done? Not say that you should be a
strong man that doesn't mention that
doesn't mention religion or people and
then fight. Do you want to win this
fight? How do I win? How do we win? Call
out individual people build. That's one
way because they have a big voice. The
other voice that I prefer is to build
another uh uh label or support another
you're controlling my creative narrative
and my because just like how you're
telling me I shouldn't have said that.
Do you think there were people telling
me I shouldn't have wore a red hat?
No, you cuz you asked me what should I
have done. You're supposed to be a
scarecrow so I thought I'm going to beat
the shit out of the scarecrow with my
words. Right. You let me. It was
consensual. The punching bag is a bad
because scarecrow actually has a
different real name. So let's say a
punching bag. I shouldn't say a
scarecrow. Yeah. But every single person
that I've sat with from the point when I
wore the red hat till now has done the
same thing. Sit in the principal's
office and don't do what you're doing.
We're in the general's closet right now
together. And I'm not The red hat is
very different. The red hat is uh you
have a set of beliefs. You represent
half the country that has a a a hope, a
vision for the future of America. That's
very different than without any purpose
whatsoever saying Jewish media, Jewish
control of the media. You said that
there's no purpose. So you're taking
away my history and my reason of what my
purpose was.
I'm saying also also also it can I'm
speaking my voice vocalizing it. Also,
yeah, it's God's plan. There's a lot of
things that open up. Let me tell you
something that open up. There's a guy
like I told you that was running Stem
Player who I've had issues with. We
hadn't got paid on time certain things,
right? And he took his his IQ, his
knowhow, his engineering knowhow to he
basically was trying to adidas me with
even though I was the bigger money in
the situation that was funding. we
funded together and he hired these
engineers and he said, "Well, because of
your comments, we're not going to be
able to hire anybody else." And I was
like, "Well, how many Jewish people do
we have in our company?" He said, "I
don't know." He didn't say exactly,
right? I said, "Do we have black
people?" He said, "Yes." I said, "How
many?" He said, "Two." So, we have like
60 full-time employees, like 40 halftime
and part-time. And
I
I took as a responsibility, let's let's
let's let's take a step back from the us
being one species and say, "Hey, you're
Jewish. I'm black." Right? Why step why
step back? For this example, for the
sake of this example, and I said, "Wow,
I'm sure I can hire more than two black
engineers."
And what happens is
because there are so many businessmen
that just so happen to be Jewish that
i