Kind: captions Language: en in Holland the hard lesson of building hard structures to keep the flood water out is prompting a sea change in thinking if you will we are thinking it's like Judo now we use the forces of modern nature to help us create this safety instead of fighting it it's like a balancing act biologist minder def is a specialist in an emerging field called eco-engineering we are a little bit behind in our understanding how these natural soft defenses are contributing to safety and how this is interacting with climate change yes we do not know too much about that but that is what we are now catching up minder works for daaras a nonprofit Research Institute in the heart of the Silicon Valley of water management the Dutch city of Del using giant water flows they are testing ideas on how to design flood control systems with nature in mind protecting it using it simple ideas like planting trees in front of a dyke instead of making it higher 2/3 of the Dy is meant to compensate the water level and a third of the Dy is meant to compensate the waves that are working against the DI and what we will see now is that there is an effect of the trees and from our experiments we know quite precisely how much trees you need to get rid of a certain fraction of the waves using the force of nature not fighting it Judo it all seems so obvious now but for years Engineers here overlooked it changing the strategy the landcape here will not be easy I think that is a very important lesson to learn that that if you put in uh um a hard safety structure that you will have to deal with all the changes of ecosystem functioning behind the structure and that you will be less flexible in the future to adapt again to a different circumstances that you are not really sure of now